kg to brooklyn?

realgm is reporting there is mutual interest in KG and the Nets and the team has contacted Boston..


 well, its not been a boring offseason, that's for sure.

I would not trade KG in the division.

No Matty, anything but boring!

I wonder it's real and if so what they would propose sending our way?

It's at least worth listening to all offers, although KG's contract and clauses make him difficult to move.

Normally I would not trade within my division, but I would to see what they are offering. They might make an offer that is hard to refuse.

KennCelt,
Who can they offer that Danny won't refuse? The only player I can think of is Lopez.
Unless, of course, it's a multi-team deal.

AK

I don't know, but listening doesn't hurt. Leave no stone unturned. If they have something it doesn't hurt to listen.

KG isnt going to agree to go to Brooklyn anyway.

KG is being traded for new coach Jason Kidd according to unidentified sources with no knowledge of the situation. In other news NBA uberfuehrer David Stern has been deposed in a coup led my SCOTUS

KG, Rondo, Bass and Jordan Crawford for Deron Williams and Brook Lopez.

That would raise some eyebrows around the league.

steve,

I'm going to assume this was sarcasm

k_j_88 wrote:steve,

I'm going to assume this was sarcasm

Part sarcasm. I would do it but the Nets wouldn't.

steve3344 wrote:

k_j_88 wrote:steve,

I'm going to assume this was sarcasm

Part sarcasm.  I would do it but the Nets wouldn't.

Hi,
I'd never swap RR for D-Will, even with Lopez.

AK

Why trade 4 players for 2 that aren't even better than what you already have?

Bass and Crawford would be better suited for another trade.

sinus007 wrote:

steve3344 wrote:

k_j_88 wrote:steve,

I'm going to assume this was sarcasm

Part sarcasm.  I would do it but the Nets wouldn't.

Hi,
I'd never swap RR for D-Will, even with Lopez.

AK

I bet more people on here would do that trade than wouldn't. KG has probably one year left and we've all been disappointed by Bass. Crawford is nothing to write home about. With Lopez you're getting a 25 year old 7-foot center who gets you 20 and 7 NOW. No waiting around for a big man to develop. And D-Will is a top 3 or top 4 PG when healthy. Sure Rondo is a very special player but he has serious flaws to his game.

k_j_88 wrote:Why trade 4 players for 2 that aren't even better than what you already have?

Bass and Crawford would be better suited for another trade.

Nobody wants Bass or Crawford. Bass showed he's not worth the contract given him and Crawford was picked up off the scrap heap. And we saw why - wildly inconsistent.

Isn't Lopez in need of another foot surgery? His long-term prospects aren't sounding great if so.

Steve,

Bass's contract is a few ticks too high. He's not a bad player, but he doesn't really excel in any part of his game. I could see him traded in a larger package deal.

I agree fully about Crawford.

NYCelt wrote:Isn't Lopez in need of another foot surgery?  His long-term prospects aren't sounding great if so.

They said it was a minor re-adjustment of a screw in his foot and he should be fine by mid-to-late August.

And I think Rondo is a better PG than D-Will, personally.

Steve,
I agree with your arguments. The main reason for my "no swap" is that I'm not sure that D-Will is as driven and competitive as RR.

AK

k_j_88 wrote:And I think Rondo is a better PG than D-Will, personally.

Many would disagree. For a period of about four years not too long ago - his last four years in Utah before being traded to the Nets in 2011 - he was considered the best point guard in the league, or at least the equal of any (along with Chris Paul). And he only turned 29 today. Rondo's poor free throw shooting which has not gotten any better after seven years in the league and lack of offense (odds are he'll never average 15 a game for a season) cancels out the better defense he gives you. When both are healthy and motivated it's a very close call.

steve3344 wrote:

k_j_88 wrote:And I think Rondo is a better PG than D-Will, personally.

Many would disagree.  For a period of about four years not too long ago - his last four years in Utah before being traded to the Nets in 2011 - he was considered the best point guard in the league, or at least the equal of any (along with Chris Paul).  And he only turned 29 today.  Rondo's poor free throw shooting which has not gotten any better after seven years in the league and lack of offense (odds are he'll never average 15 a game for a season) cancels out the better defense he gives you.  When both are healthy and motivated it's a very close call.  

Steve,

I'm sure many people do disagree. But that's their choice and opinion

Part of why Rondo hasn't scored a lot is because he typically didn't need to. He has had PP and KG and others around him to score. But I think you're underestimating Rondo's ability to score. Rondo could score 20-25 per game if he wanted to, but he prefers to involve his teammates.

But anyway, here are some stats:

Rondo: 13.7 ppg, 11.1 apg, 48.4%FG, 64.5% FT, 5.6 reb, 0.2 blks, 1.8 stl
Williams: 18.9 ppg, 7.7 apg, 44% FG, 82% FT, 3 reb, 0.4 blks, 1 stl

Rondo is a better distributor, better rebounder, defender, and has a higher FG %. Williams has a slight edge on blocks and is a better FT shooter and scores 5 pts more per game, which is basically 2-3 shots. Also, consider this. Rondo lead the league this regular season in triple doubles (even more than LeBron) and he didn't even play half the season. I'd have to say Rondo does more things for his team and accounts for more offense collectively.

k_j_88 wrote:

steve3344 wrote:

k_j_88 wrote:And I think Rondo is a better PG than D-Will, personally.

Many would disagree.  For a period of about four years not too long ago - his last four years in Utah before being traded to the Nets in 2011 - he was considered the best point guard in the league, or at least the equal of any (along with Chris Paul).  And he only turned 29 today.  Rondo's poor free throw shooting which has not gotten any better after seven years in the league and lack of offense (odds are he'll never average 15 a game for a season) cancels out the better defense he gives you.  When both are healthy and motivated it's a very close call.  

Steve,

I'm sure many people do disagree. But that's their choice and opinion

Part of why Rondo hasn't scored a lot is because he typically didn't need to. He has had PP and KG and others around him to score. But I think you're underestimating Rondo's ability to score. Rondo could score 20-25 per game if he wanted to, but he prefers to involve his teammates.

But anyway, here are some stats:

Rondo: 13.7 ppg, 11.1 apg, 48.4%FG, 64.5% FT, 5.6 reb, 0.2 blks, 1.8 stl
Williams: 18.9 ppg, 7.7 apg, 44% FG, 82% FT, 3 reb, 0.4 blks, 1 stl

Rondo is a better distributor, better rebounder, defender, and has a higher FG %. Williams has a slight edge on blocks and is a better FT shooter and scores 5 pts more per game, which is basically 2-3 shots. Also, consider this. Rondo lead the league this regular season in triple doubles (even more than LeBron) and he didn't even play half the season. I'd have to say Rondo does more things for his team and accounts for more offense collectively.

Don't just go by last year for D-Will which he played the first few month hurt. From mid Feb to mid April after he recovered he averaged 23.4 a game. Look at the four years from '07-'08 to 2011 when he averaged 20 points on 48% shooting and over 10 assists per game. Plus opposing teams don't have to guard Rondo for the jumper (they certainly do with Williams). Teams can sag off him which makes it harder for our other players to score.

steve3344 wrote:

Don't just go by last year for D-Will which he played the first few month hurt.  From mid Feb to mid April after he recovered he averaged 23.4 a game. Look at the four years from '07-'08 to 2011 when he averaged 20 points on 48% shooting and over 10 assists per game.  Plus opposing teams don't have to guard Rondo for the jumper (they certainly do with Williams). Teams can sag off him which makes it harder for our other players to score.

Is it really relevant to include outdated stats? Perhaps if these guys played in different eras, but if playing concurrently as they are, shouldn't we measure their recent production?

And Rondo has gotten a bit better at hitting outside shots. He's not a great shooter, but I don't think a PG has to be a great shooter, they have to be a great floor general. That's more important.

k_j_88 wrote:

steve3344 wrote:

Don't just go by last year for D-Will which he played the first few month hurt.  From mid Feb to mid April after he recovered he averaged 23.4 a game. Look at the four years from '07-'08 to 2011 when he averaged 20 points on 48% shooting and over 10 assists per game.  Plus opposing teams don't have to guard Rondo for the jumper (they certainly do with Williams). Teams can sag off him which makes it harder for our other players to score.

Is it really relevant to include outdated stats? Perhaps if these guys played in different eras, but if playing concurrently as they are, shouldn't we measure their recent production?

And Rondo has gotten a bit better at hitting outside shots. He's not a great shooter, but I don't think a PG has to be a great shooter, they have to be a great floor general. That's more important.

Several years up through 2011 are "outdated stats?" I don't think so. If you disagree then just use the final two months this last year when D-Will got healthy and averaged 23.4 on over 50% shooting.