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Slow pace could aid C's rebuild race
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By Chris Forsberg | ESPNBoston.com
By most informed opinions, the Boston Celtics did well for themselves in the 2014 NBA draft. Utilizing a pair of first-round selections, the Celtics emerged with Oklahoma State point guard Marcus Smart and Kentucky swingman James Young, two players with potential to be quality players at the next level.
Some will quibble with the idea of using a rare high-lottery pick to add depth at the only position on the team that currently boasts an All-Star-caliber player, but the Celtics maintained leading up to and after the event that beggars can't be choosers. The Celtics picked Smart at No. 6 because they believe he will have the best NBA career of those who were still available.
How should the Celtics approach their rebuilding project?
Do everything possible in the immediate future to get the team in position to contend for the playoffs next season.
Focus on developing young talent and maximizing salary-cap flexibility for now, and look to make a big jump next summer.
The biggest lingering complaint among Celtics fans is simply that no one knows exactly where the Celtics will go from here. In adding two more skilled, young players, Boston is constructing an intriguing, low-cost nucleus upon which to build, but the "draft and develop" path often requires the sort of patience that fans in this region don't own.
The Celtics still have the sort of assets that can help accelerate the rebuilding process, though to what extent is unclear at this point. Boston has the means to add some established talent this summer, but you can't help but wonder whether it's better to simply endure another lean season, heavy on development, rather than improve just enough to get stuck in the sort of low-seed, early-playoff exit rut that many middle-of-the-pack teams encounter.
For his part, Celtics president of basketball operations Danny Ainge didn't reveal his preferred GPS route on Thursday. Pressed after the draft on whether he envisions the 2014-15 season as one focused on the team's younger players, Ainge hesitated to offer a road map.
"We'll see. We'll see what happens the rest of the summer," he said. "I'm not sure yet. It's too early to say that. I mean, it's an emphasis always to develop young players, so we're always trying to do that. But how many of them we have and what our final roster is, I don't know. But we're very excited about these two guys and our young core right now."
When Kevin Love visited Boston earlier this month, his presence suggested a chance to immediately compete again. Armchair GMs crunched the numbers and submitted a simple, but viable, blueprint: Use picks and a young power forward to help land Love from the Minnesota Timberwolves; pluck defensive-minded center Omer Asik from the Houston Rockets using the $10.3 million trade exception generated from last year's blockbuster swap with the Brooklyn Nets; make a couple other complementary moves and -- bing, bang, boom -- instant Eastern Conference contender.
But Minnesota balked at Boston's offer for Love, Houston agreed to a deal that will soon send Asik to New Orleans and anything else that Ainge had up his sleeve leading to the draft fizzled when the team couldn't find a willing dance partner.
To be sure, there are players beyond the likes of Love and Asik who can help Boston sprint back toward the contender pack. But ponder this: What if another lean season meant an even better chance at reestablishing the Celtics' status as a contender next summer?
The truth is the Celtics don't have any cap space available this summer, at least not without renouncing the rights to many of the assets that give them an actual chance of adding (or maintaining) talent. A more captivating cap situation looms next summer, particularly if Boston can move the final year of Gerald Wallace's contract (and especially if Jeff Green performs well enough next season to opt out of the final year of his pact).
For the sake of this exercise, let's assume Keith Bogans and his nonguaranteed deal is moved this summer (and Chris Babb doesn't make the roster, either). Next summer, if the Celtics did not carry Wallace or Green, their current salary projection for the 2015-16 season would look something like this:
Marcus Smart - $3.4 million
Jared Sullinger - $2.3 million
Kelly Olynyk - $2.2 million
Vitor Faverani - $2.2 million (nonguaranteed)
James Young - $1.8 million
Chris Johnson - $981,000 (nonguaranteed)
Phil Pressey - $947,000 (nonguaranteed)
Even if you add roster hopeful Colton Iverson to that mix, it's still an eight-man group at a commitment of approximately $14 million. Early projections put the salary cap for the 2015-16 season at $66.5 million. Now, with salary-cap holds, it's not as simple as suggesting the Celtics would have $52.5 million to play with. That said, the team would likely have a sizable amount to work with on the free-agent market, all while figuring out what Rajon Rondo's future is here.
There's still an awful lot of work to get to that point, but the suggestion is this: If Boston can be fiscally responsible this offseason -- maybe splurging only to bring back Avery Bradley at a reasonable cost or only adding long-term contracts for players who can help down the road -- then the team could really position itself well to be a long-term contender starting next summer.
Is that ideal? Not in these parts, where one down year is too many.
Just remember, not only would the Celtics have that low-cost base to build around, but they could have as many as four picks in the top, say, 35 spots in next year's draft. Yes, only one -- their own -- would likely be in the high lottery. But Boston also stands to have the Los Angeles Clippers first-rounder (late 20s; thanks, Doc!), along with the Philadelphia 76ers' second-round pick (early 30s; thanks, Steez!) -- if the 76ers miss the playoffs -- and its own second-rounder (early 30s).
We're all shortsighted around here, but the big picture is worth your consideration.
Now, Ainge might find himself a deal that he likes in early July and navigate a different path that thrusts Boston back into the mix next season. Heck, a healthier Rondo, coupled with Boston's developing young nucleus, might just be enough to take a decent step forward in the East.
But if that doesn't happen, just keep the long-term vision in mind. The path is not clear and it might take longer than most prefer, but the Celtics can keep the finish line in sight with the right steps along the way.
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By Chris Forsberg | ESPNBoston.com
By most informed opinions, the Boston Celtics did well for themselves in the 2014 NBA draft. Utilizing a pair of first-round selections, the Celtics emerged with Oklahoma State point guard Marcus Smart and Kentucky swingman James Young, two players with potential to be quality players at the next level.
Some will quibble with the idea of using a rare high-lottery pick to add depth at the only position on the team that currently boasts an All-Star-caliber player, but the Celtics maintained leading up to and after the event that beggars can't be choosers. The Celtics picked Smart at No. 6 because they believe he will have the best NBA career of those who were still available.
How should the Celtics approach their rebuilding project?
Do everything possible in the immediate future to get the team in position to contend for the playoffs next season.
Focus on developing young talent and maximizing salary-cap flexibility for now, and look to make a big jump next summer.
The biggest lingering complaint among Celtics fans is simply that no one knows exactly where the Celtics will go from here. In adding two more skilled, young players, Boston is constructing an intriguing, low-cost nucleus upon which to build, but the "draft and develop" path often requires the sort of patience that fans in this region don't own.
The Celtics still have the sort of assets that can help accelerate the rebuilding process, though to what extent is unclear at this point. Boston has the means to add some established talent this summer, but you can't help but wonder whether it's better to simply endure another lean season, heavy on development, rather than improve just enough to get stuck in the sort of low-seed, early-playoff exit rut that many middle-of-the-pack teams encounter.
For his part, Celtics president of basketball operations Danny Ainge didn't reveal his preferred GPS route on Thursday. Pressed after the draft on whether he envisions the 2014-15 season as one focused on the team's younger players, Ainge hesitated to offer a road map.
"We'll see. We'll see what happens the rest of the summer," he said. "I'm not sure yet. It's too early to say that. I mean, it's an emphasis always to develop young players, so we're always trying to do that. But how many of them we have and what our final roster is, I don't know. But we're very excited about these two guys and our young core right now."
When Kevin Love visited Boston earlier this month, his presence suggested a chance to immediately compete again. Armchair GMs crunched the numbers and submitted a simple, but viable, blueprint: Use picks and a young power forward to help land Love from the Minnesota Timberwolves; pluck defensive-minded center Omer Asik from the Houston Rockets using the $10.3 million trade exception generated from last year's blockbuster swap with the Brooklyn Nets; make a couple other complementary moves and -- bing, bang, boom -- instant Eastern Conference contender.
But Minnesota balked at Boston's offer for Love, Houston agreed to a deal that will soon send Asik to New Orleans and anything else that Ainge had up his sleeve leading to the draft fizzled when the team couldn't find a willing dance partner.
To be sure, there are players beyond the likes of Love and Asik who can help Boston sprint back toward the contender pack. But ponder this: What if another lean season meant an even better chance at reestablishing the Celtics' status as a contender next summer?
The truth is the Celtics don't have any cap space available this summer, at least not without renouncing the rights to many of the assets that give them an actual chance of adding (or maintaining) talent. A more captivating cap situation looms next summer, particularly if Boston can move the final year of Gerald Wallace's contract (and especially if Jeff Green performs well enough next season to opt out of the final year of his pact).
For the sake of this exercise, let's assume Keith Bogans and his nonguaranteed deal is moved this summer (and Chris Babb doesn't make the roster, either). Next summer, if the Celtics did not carry Wallace or Green, their current salary projection for the 2015-16 season would look something like this:
Marcus Smart - $3.4 million
Jared Sullinger - $2.3 million
Kelly Olynyk - $2.2 million
Vitor Faverani - $2.2 million (nonguaranteed)
James Young - $1.8 million
Chris Johnson - $981,000 (nonguaranteed)
Phil Pressey - $947,000 (nonguaranteed)
Even if you add roster hopeful Colton Iverson to that mix, it's still an eight-man group at a commitment of approximately $14 million. Early projections put the salary cap for the 2015-16 season at $66.5 million. Now, with salary-cap holds, it's not as simple as suggesting the Celtics would have $52.5 million to play with. That said, the team would likely have a sizable amount to work with on the free-agent market, all while figuring out what Rajon Rondo's future is here.
There's still an awful lot of work to get to that point, but the suggestion is this: If Boston can be fiscally responsible this offseason -- maybe splurging only to bring back Avery Bradley at a reasonable cost or only adding long-term contracts for players who can help down the road -- then the team could really position itself well to be a long-term contender starting next summer.
Is that ideal? Not in these parts, where one down year is too many.
Just remember, not only would the Celtics have that low-cost base to build around, but they could have as many as four picks in the top, say, 35 spots in next year's draft. Yes, only one -- their own -- would likely be in the high lottery. But Boston also stands to have the Los Angeles Clippers first-rounder (late 20s; thanks, Doc!), along with the Philadelphia 76ers' second-round pick (early 30s; thanks, Steez!) -- if the 76ers miss the playoffs -- and its own second-rounder (early 30s).
We're all shortsighted around here, but the big picture is worth your consideration.
Now, Ainge might find himself a deal that he likes in early July and navigate a different path that thrusts Boston back into the mix next season. Heck, a healthier Rondo, coupled with Boston's developing young nucleus, might just be enough to take a decent step forward in the East.
But if that doesn't happen, just keep the long-term vision in mind. The path is not clear and it might take longer than most prefer, but the Celtics can keep the finish line in sight with the right steps along the way.
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Re: Slow pace could aid C's rebuild race
When Danny took over in 2003 he promised we'd be relevant again in 5 years. We grabbed onto that commitment like drowning men and women because we had been mostly irrelevant for 3x that long already. 5 years seemed like heartbeat to us then. Now we want a turnaround in one year. Did we think we'd be turned around by now at this time last year? I could go back and dig up the old threads, but I don't think I'll bother because I believe I already know what I'll find.
You want to make a trade? You have to have something worth trading. Quid pro quo. Something for something. We potentially have some very good talent but the key word is 'potentially'. We have Jared Sullinger who showed everybody he can be a beast underneath and too dangerous to fall off of outside, but there are questions about his weight because he played out of position last year. Can he lose the weight and keep it off? This is fixable and is in the process of being fixed. We have Kelly Olynyk, who put together a very good 2nd half last season, really looking a bit like Dirk 2.0 (even attacking the offensive boards more than Dirk), but has questions about his strength. This is fixable and is in the process of being fixed. We have undrafted Phil Pressey, who averaged 7.7 assists/36mpg, 2.8TO/36mpg (for a very nice 2.75 assists/TO ratio) and 2.2 steals/36mpg. By comparison, one of the top backup point guards in the league, Jarrett Jack, averaged 5.2 assists and 2.1 TOs per 36mpg (2.47 assist-to-TO ratio) and .9 steals/36. But Phil has questions about his size and his shooting. There's nothing that can be done about his size but I'm sure his shooting is being worked on everyday. We have Chris Johnson who showed he could run, shoot and defend with great energy but there are questions about the consistency of his shooting, which I don't doubt is being worked on everyday. And let's not forget that Avery Bradley is only 23 years old. He's an NBA All-Defensive Second Teamer and that makes him a 'something'.
Another year of Sully showing that his slide to #21 due to back issues were other GM's mistake and he's a proven 'something'. Another year of Kelly adjusting to NBA speed and strength and showing why he was a lottery pick and then he's a proven 'something'. Even a year of Marcus Smart showing his stuff is 'something'.
Something for something. Of course, we could go out and buy some expensive free agents but there are future salary cap repercussions from that approach. We've become spoiled with deals that brought us Bill Russell for an Ice Capades date and Kevin McHale and Robert Parish for Joe Barry Carroll and a future first round pick. Most franchises are blessed if they can come up with one theft like those in their franchise lifetimes and we expect it like it is our birthright. They are as rare as hen's teeth and, because they are, the grind back to the top is slow. The GSW last won a championship in 1976 and they have had a few good teams since then. If it was easy, everybody would do it.
As dboss said "the game is still afoot". We won't get as much value for our 'potential somethings' if they're traded this year (or even mid-season by the deadline) instead of next but a deal might come along that makes it still worthwhile. We have the $10.3M trade exception that expires in just 14 days. If Danny can turn us around in 3 years that's roughly half the time it took him to do it in last time. Half. Patience, grasshoppers, patience.
bob
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You want to make a trade? You have to have something worth trading. Quid pro quo. Something for something. We potentially have some very good talent but the key word is 'potentially'. We have Jared Sullinger who showed everybody he can be a beast underneath and too dangerous to fall off of outside, but there are questions about his weight because he played out of position last year. Can he lose the weight and keep it off? This is fixable and is in the process of being fixed. We have Kelly Olynyk, who put together a very good 2nd half last season, really looking a bit like Dirk 2.0 (even attacking the offensive boards more than Dirk), but has questions about his strength. This is fixable and is in the process of being fixed. We have undrafted Phil Pressey, who averaged 7.7 assists/36mpg, 2.8TO/36mpg (for a very nice 2.75 assists/TO ratio) and 2.2 steals/36mpg. By comparison, one of the top backup point guards in the league, Jarrett Jack, averaged 5.2 assists and 2.1 TOs per 36mpg (2.47 assist-to-TO ratio) and .9 steals/36. But Phil has questions about his size and his shooting. There's nothing that can be done about his size but I'm sure his shooting is being worked on everyday. We have Chris Johnson who showed he could run, shoot and defend with great energy but there are questions about the consistency of his shooting, which I don't doubt is being worked on everyday. And let's not forget that Avery Bradley is only 23 years old. He's an NBA All-Defensive Second Teamer and that makes him a 'something'.
Another year of Sully showing that his slide to #21 due to back issues were other GM's mistake and he's a proven 'something'. Another year of Kelly adjusting to NBA speed and strength and showing why he was a lottery pick and then he's a proven 'something'. Even a year of Marcus Smart showing his stuff is 'something'.
Something for something. Of course, we could go out and buy some expensive free agents but there are future salary cap repercussions from that approach. We've become spoiled with deals that brought us Bill Russell for an Ice Capades date and Kevin McHale and Robert Parish for Joe Barry Carroll and a future first round pick. Most franchises are blessed if they can come up with one theft like those in their franchise lifetimes and we expect it like it is our birthright. They are as rare as hen's teeth and, because they are, the grind back to the top is slow. The GSW last won a championship in 1976 and they have had a few good teams since then. If it was easy, everybody would do it.
As dboss said "the game is still afoot". We won't get as much value for our 'potential somethings' if they're traded this year (or even mid-season by the deadline) instead of next but a deal might come along that makes it still worthwhile. We have the $10.3M trade exception that expires in just 14 days. If Danny can turn us around in 3 years that's roughly half the time it took him to do it in last time. Half. Patience, grasshoppers, patience.
bob
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Re: Slow pace could aid C's rebuild race
Just a reminder, here's a beauty from Gary Tanguay back in 2003. DON'T BE GARY TANGUAY!
“Danny Ainge is a goddamn idiot. He has no clue what he’s doing. There’s no method to his madness. He’s just trading everyone away,” said Fox Sports New England’s Gary Tanguay during his postgame recap. “He came in and said he had a ‘vision for the future.’ Well, unless that vision involved blowing up the franchise, losing the fans, and rendering the Celtics less relevant than the Bruins, then I guess he’s failed miserably.”
bob
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“Danny Ainge is a goddamn idiot. He has no clue what he’s doing. There’s no method to his madness. He’s just trading everyone away,” said Fox Sports New England’s Gary Tanguay during his postgame recap. “He came in and said he had a ‘vision for the future.’ Well, unless that vision involved blowing up the franchise, losing the fans, and rendering the Celtics less relevant than the Bruins, then I guess he’s failed miserably.”
bob
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Re: Slow pace could aid C's rebuild race
I assume that, by "slow pace," the writer meant staying the course and being patient. However, the term is subject to being a double entendre with respect to up-tempo versus deliberate ball. The newer and more raw players are, the more uptempo is the easiest type of offense to get them playing well together. It's simpler and easier to learn than most half court sets; it takes maximum advantage of athleticism; it requires less in-depth knowledge of teammates' tendencies than half court offense does.
So, whether or not Danny decided to adopt a slow pace in terms of developmental activity, I hope Brad will adopt a fast pace in terms of offensive execution.
Sam
So, whether or not Danny decided to adopt a slow pace in terms of developmental activity, I hope Brad will adopt a fast pace in terms of offensive execution.
Sam
Re: Slow pace could aid C's rebuild race
The trade exception can be a valuable asset if:
A. It gets used.
B. They use it to trade for someone actually worth trading for.
If B isn't an available option, then they shouldn't use it on just anybody just so it gets used.
A. It gets used.
B. They use it to trade for someone actually worth trading for.
If B isn't an available option, then they shouldn't use it on just anybody just so it gets used.
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Re: Slow pace could aid C's rebuild race
Outside
Excellent point. Better to not add 10.3 to the payroll than to add a player that doesn't figure to help the team.
swish
Excellent point. Better to not add 10.3 to the payroll than to add a player that doesn't figure to help the team.
swish
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Re: Slow pace could aid C's rebuild race
I'm pretty sure that Danny isn't planning on adding #10 million to the roster just for the sake of using the exception. That kind of ineptitude isn't in his genes.
Sam
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