Doc Rivers - $50 million dollar man

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--doc-rivers-expected-to-start-contract-talks-with-new-clippers-owner-steve-ballmer-191826597.html

Good for him. He deserves it. He's a good man and I'm happy for him.

Attboy, Doc. Nice to see good things happen to good people.

Sam

Too bad he did not honor his Celtic contract, then life would have been complete for him!

112288

112288 wrote:Too bad he did not honor his Celtic contract, then life would have been complete for him!

112288

But would you really want a coach that didn't want to be there?



KJ

KJ

DO YOU REALLY WANT TO WISH A PERSON CONGRADS AFTER HE WALKED OUT ON THE ORGANIZATION AND THE FANS WHO PAID HIS SALARY THROUGH TICKET SALES?

AS FAR AS MY OWN FEELINGS GO...WITHOUT TIBS AND HIS DEFENSIVE STRATEGIES ...........DOC WINS NOTHING HERE IN BOSTON!   TIBS MADE DOC LOOK GOOD!

112288

112288

Doc won the respect of his players. He got three egos to come together and form ubuntu practically overnight.

No coach wins an NBA championship alone. Thibs certainly made a major contribution. But Thibs didn't invent the Rome trip. And, by the way, who brought Thibs to Boston?

Sam

Sam

Sam,

First, Doc had to bring in Tibs as he had no defensive strategy or strategist on the bench and I am sure part of the KG sell to come over was Tibs or the promise of a great defensive strategist.  Second, it was a no brainer, Tibs was the best out there.

Sorry Sam, but this is a spill over from my days running businesses, I  have an attitude towards people who walk out on me as Doc did to Boston, who also made him the second highest paid coach behind Jackson at the time.

112288

112288,

So, as the best out there, Thibs could conceivably have gone elsewhere. Doc got him. I'm sure that your business acumen includes a premium on hiring the best talent. Doc did everything asked of him in Boston, including bring a championship.

There were several points at which he seriously weighed leaving throughout his career here, but he stuck with it. The prospect of starting again from scratch obviously was the straw that broke the camel's back. He obviously departed out of conviction because he left a very nice contract situation.

In my 45 years of owning and running the same successful company, I have always encouraged employees to be the best they can be and have backed that up by being happy for them when they left to better themselves. In fact, the only rule I have imposed on employees when they started with us has been that, if they're considering leaving, they need to tell me. My pledge has been to help them in any way I can, including tipping them off about possible job availabilities and giving them excellent recommendations (if merited, which has usually been the case). As a result, departures have always been extremely amicable, to the point where numerous previous employees, in their new positions, have become long-term clients of our firm. It doesn't always have to be adversarial.

Sam

SAM,

WEAK ARGUMENT AS KG WAS ONE OF THE GREAT DEFENSIVE POWER FORWARDS OF ALL TIME.

TIBS WOULD HAVE HAD TO BEEN INSANE NOT TO WANT TO COACH THE BEST!

AS FAR AS YOUR LAST PARAGRAPH, THERE IS SOME MERIT IN WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.  BUT FOR ONE .........IF DOC WAS AN ASSISTANT COACH AND HE WANTED TO BECOME A HEAD COACH......YA OK I AGREE......HE WANTED TO BE THE BEST HE COULD............BUT HE ALREADY WAS A HEAD COACH AND WON A CHAMPIONSHIP........SO TO SEE HOW GREAT A COACH HE REALLY WAS .........WAS FOR HIM TO BUILD A NEW TEAM AND WIN THE FINALS...............NOT A PLUG AND PLAY DEAL A-LA- PHIL THE THRILL JACKSON DID WITH CHICAGO AND LA.

SECOND.............I DO NOT THINK DOC GAVE THE CELTICS ANY WARNING.....IT WAS MORE LIKE.........YES.......NO....MAYBE SO I'LL COACH.  THAT IS WHY THE CELTICS AND THEIR ATTORNEY DRAFTED A LETTER INFORMING DOC THAT HE WAS BOUND BY HIS CONTRACT PERIOD!

HOPE YOU ARE NOT STILL AT HIGH TIDE AT YOUR OTHER HOUSE!  HOPE IT GOT FIXED!

112288

112288

Doc left at the right time, in my opinion. It gives the Celtics a chance to build something new.

Good for him winning a title. I still do not believe he is even remotely in the same stratosphere as Popovich, (as Popovich coaches up young players to become impact players) but he's a decent coach who's strength lies in motivating veteran players.



KJ

112288

House will be finished tomorrow, in time for an open house on Sunday. Thanks for your interest and support.

Actually, a weak argument is going into raptures about KG as a defensive player and then claiming Thibs deserves so much of the credit for the Celtics defense. Weak is criticizing Doc for the style in which he handled his departure when neither you nor I knows what went on behind the scenes. Weak is claiming Doc gave the Celtics no warning and then (1) conjuring up a scenario ("yes...no...maybe so I'll coach") that constituted a warning in itself and (2) referencing a contractual letter written to Doc by the Celtics' attorney that would never have been written if there had been no warning.

The stuff about seeking challenges to prove he was such a great coach is just the way in which many fans (and people in general) fantasize about how the human mind works. If a coach has put in numerous grueling seasons and daunting challenges of frustration and key injuries and then learns that two remaining long-term veterans who have helped hold the team together are being traded away, leaving him with an even more daunting rebuilding challenge, his first thought would most likely not be, "Oh goodie, I'll be in a horrifically daunting situation that'll give me a great chance to prove how great a coach I am—but only if I fight the incredible odds and win sooner rather than later to satisfy Boston expectations."

His first thought would much more likely be, "I almost quit a few years ago. But I stayed, and I've done the best job I could for this team for a long time, and the net result is now that I'm terribly mentally fatigued. It's time to think about my future and whether, at best, continuing in Boston would probably be akin to watching paint grow. I believe I've earned the right (1) to capitalize on the fact that I've already proven myself a very competent coach, (2) to move on to a position where my ability as a coach will have greater likelihood of paying off sooner rather than later, and (3) to reduce the constant mental fatigue to a reasonable level."

Irrespective of contracts, coaches have as much right to break them and move on as teams have to fire coaches mid-contract. After all, they're constantly surrounded by players who take every advantage of the collective bargaining agreement to throw loyalty to the winds and go for the best deals they can get.

Sam

The yoyo master strikes again.

dboss

Sam,

Glad to hear that the house situation is being resolved! 

As for your dissertation on Doc, the legal notice was sent to Doc because he was waffling. The Celtics smoked him out ...........cards on the table Doc..........what are you doing............. because Doc had no real commitment from the Clippers and he was trying to keep the balls he was juggling from hitting the floor........I.E.........not jeopardizing his $7million dollar Celtic contract.

I would say this as my ending comment, Doc was more interested in his legacy and W/L record then he was in helping build the next winning Celtic team.  He was very selfish in that the Celtics rode with Doc and his losing ways despite drafting some very good players for a long time and paid him very well. 

Second, I believed Doc failed to develop adequately the young talent drafted to produce a winning record. He at least owed 1 year to the Celtics to see if he could jump start the rebuilding process, and if he failed, he could have parted in a more gracious manor.

He chose instead the pug and play route!!!!!!!!  Doc is a phoney with plenty of baloney! 

112288

Uh huh.

Sam

Yep....LOL!

Have a good night!

112288


On another note I am really treasuring listening to Joe Castiglione, the Red Sox play - by - play man.  I am able to pick up braodcasts off of WTIC 1080 am out of Hartford, Ct.  He is a national treasure!  I am sure you have heard him over the last 30 years.  He not only calls a great game but has stats up the wazoo and great stories as well. His side kick Dave O'Brien is a great straight man.  Just a great pair to listen to each night!

Also testing on neck device have resulted in great stat numbers and we are now about to start funding.  Charles and I will be meeting in Boston sometime in Sept/early Oct. with Dr. Ashare who is on board of USA Hockey and will be on advisory board for us.  Like to see if you can make the meeting so you can get a better idea on how to put together the marketing research.  Talk to you soon.

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Sorry Sam, this is one time I have to go along with others here who are not so enthusiastic about Doc and his tenure here. What did he really do? He lost a ton of games, watched Danny trade away half his team and buy two players to go along with Paul Pierce, won a title with three future hall of famers, hung around to get a huge contract even though he knew he never would complete his tenure, and left when the going was going to get tough.

Sorry, he just signed that big contract thanks to the Celtics. He did them a favor by leaving, who wants an overpaid coach on a rebuilding team. Especially a coach who did not develop his young talent the way he could have. Our young guys are thrilled to be coached by Stevens.

And one more thing, I grew up in a time where your word was your bond. Sorry, he fell off that pedestal he had climbed up on here in Boston.

Rosalie

"What did he really do? "

Doc didn't exactly pull a Phil Jackson when he came here. He sure wasn't handed a roster on the verge of greatness. Remember Ricky Davis? Or Mark Blount? How about Jiri Welsh? Or Wally Szebiack? Has beens, never were's and never will be's.

Remember that 18 game losing streak?

Once we got the players, the team came together with stunning rapidity.

So, Doc didn't want to go through a second rebuild. So let him go. You yourself say it's a good thing he's not here any more.

I don't understand the complaint.

For the record, I think Rosalie nailed it. Doc did get PP, KG and RA to play nice for awhile, but he was not up to the necessary task of convincing aging stars to settle for complementary roles in recent seasons. I'm glad we were able to trade him and land Brad. Also, as a game coach, I don't think Doc is even close to Pop. Doc does have his virtues however, and I wish him well, elsewhere. Hawk

For The Record

When Doc took over Boston, he posted (2004-2005) a 45 -37 record and won the Atlantic division, it was all down hill from there (2005 -2006) a 33-49 record and (2006 - 2007) a 24 - 58 record. He had young talent.

In Orlando never once did he finish more the 3 games above 500 record.

112288

112288,

I believe Joe Castiglione was just inducted into the Red Sox Hall of Fame. He's known among the Boston media as being one of the most prepared broadcasters in the business.

Good news about the neck device. We'll be around during most of October until the 24th, when we'll be embarking on two back-to-back trips that will end on November 12.

Any repercussions from the flat tire?

Best to the family.

Sam