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Phil Jackson questions whether Duke players live up to expectations in NBA
by bobheckler Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:19 pm
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Phil Jackson questions whether Duke players live up to expectations in NBA
Dan Feldman Jul 24, 2015, 10:55 AM EDT
The Knicks drafted Kristaps Porzingis with the No. 4 pick, and the early returns are positive.
But they also surely considered a couple players from Duke – Jahlil Okafor (who went No. 3 to the 76ers) and Justise Winslow (No. 10 to the Heat).
Would New York have chosen either? Knicks president Phil Jackson implies he had concerns simply because of their college team.
Jackson on Okafor, via Charlie Rosen of ESPN:
Jackson thinks he might not be aggressive enough. “Also, if you look at the guys who came to the NBA from Duke, aside from Grant Hill, which ones lived up to expectations?”
Let’s take a comprehensive look rather than cherry-picking players who could support either side of the argument.
We obviously don’t know yet whether Okafor, Winslow and Tyus Jones (No. 24 this year) will live up to expectations. Jabari Parker (No. 2 in 2014) looked pretty good last year, but he missed most of the season due to injury. It’s far too soon to make any judgments on him.
Otherwise, here are all Duke players drafted in the previous 15 years:
Lived up to expectations
Rodney Hood (No. 23 in 2014)
Mason Plumlee (No. 22 in 2013)
Ryan Kelly (No. 48 in 2013)
Miles Plumlee (No. 26 in 2012)
Kyrie Irving (No. 1 in 2011)
Kyle Singler (No. 33 in 2011)
Josh McRoberts (No. 37 in 2007)
J.J. Redick (No. 11 in 2006)
Luol Deng (No. 7 in 2004)
Chris Duhon (No. 38 in 2004)
Carlos Boozer (No. 34 in 2002)
Shane Battier (No. 6 in 2001)
Didn’t live up to expectations
Austin Rivers (No. 10 in 2012)
Nolan Smith (No. 21 in 2011)
Gerald Henderson (No. 12 in 2009)
Shelden Williams (No. 5 in 2006)
Daniel Ewing (No. 32 in 2005)
Dahntay Jones (No. 20 in 2003)
Mike Dunleavy (No. 3 in 2002)
Jay Williams (No. 2 in 2002)
Chris Carrawell (No. 41 in 2000)
That’s 12-of-21 – a 57 percent hit rate.
By comparison, here are players drafted from North Carolina in the same span:
Lived up to expectations
Harrison Barnes (No. 7 in 2012)
John Henson (No. 14 in 2012)
Tyler Zeller (No. 17 in 2012)
Ed Davis (No. 13 in 2010)
Tyler Hansbrough (No. 13 in 2009)
Ty Lawson (No. 18 in 2009)
Wayne Ellington (No. 28 in 2009)
Danny Green (No. 46 in 2009)
Brandan Wright (No. 8 in 2007)
Brendan Haywood (No. 20 in 2001)
Didn’t live up to expectations
Reggie Bullock (No. 25 in 2013)
Kendall Marshall (No. 13 in 2012)
Reyshawn Terry (No. 44 in 2007)
David Noel (No. 39 in 2006)
Marvin Williams (No. 2 in 2005)
Raymond Felton (No. 5 in 2005)
Sean May (No. 13 in 2005)
Rashad McCants (No. 14 in 2005)
Joseph Forte (No. 21 in 2001)
The Tar Heels are 10-for-19 – 53 percent.
Nobody would reasonably shy from drafting players from North Carolina, and they’ve fared worse than Duke players. Making snap judgments about Duke players just because they went to Duke is foolish.
Jackson is talking about a different time, when aside from Hill, Duke had a long run of first-round picks failing to meet expectations:
Roshown McLeod (No. 20 in 1998)
Cherokee Parks (No. 12 in 1995)
Bobby Hurley (No. 7 in 1993)
Christian Laettner (No. 3 in 1992)
Alaa Abdelnaby (No. 25 in 1990)
Danny Ferry (No. 2 in 1989)
Then, it was fair to question whether Mike Krzyzewski’s coaching yielded good college players who didn’t translate to the pros. But there have been more than enough counterexamples in the years since to dismiss that theory as bunk or outdated.
Count this as another example of Jackson sounding like someone who shouldn’t run an NBA team in 2015.
To be fair, the Knicks had a decent offseason, at least once you acknowledge they couldn’t land a star (which was kind of supposed to be Jackson’s job, right?).
The questions Knicks fans must ask themselves: Do you trust Jackson because of the moves he has made or worry about the next move because of what he has said?
bob
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Phil Jackson questions whether Duke players live up to expectations in NBA
Dan Feldman Jul 24, 2015, 10:55 AM EDT
The Knicks drafted Kristaps Porzingis with the No. 4 pick, and the early returns are positive.
But they also surely considered a couple players from Duke – Jahlil Okafor (who went No. 3 to the 76ers) and Justise Winslow (No. 10 to the Heat).
Would New York have chosen either? Knicks president Phil Jackson implies he had concerns simply because of their college team.
Jackson on Okafor, via Charlie Rosen of ESPN:
Jackson thinks he might not be aggressive enough. “Also, if you look at the guys who came to the NBA from Duke, aside from Grant Hill, which ones lived up to expectations?”
Let’s take a comprehensive look rather than cherry-picking players who could support either side of the argument.
We obviously don’t know yet whether Okafor, Winslow and Tyus Jones (No. 24 this year) will live up to expectations. Jabari Parker (No. 2 in 2014) looked pretty good last year, but he missed most of the season due to injury. It’s far too soon to make any judgments on him.
Otherwise, here are all Duke players drafted in the previous 15 years:
Lived up to expectations
Rodney Hood (No. 23 in 2014)
Mason Plumlee (No. 22 in 2013)
Ryan Kelly (No. 48 in 2013)
Miles Plumlee (No. 26 in 2012)
Kyrie Irving (No. 1 in 2011)
Kyle Singler (No. 33 in 2011)
Josh McRoberts (No. 37 in 2007)
J.J. Redick (No. 11 in 2006)
Luol Deng (No. 7 in 2004)
Chris Duhon (No. 38 in 2004)
Carlos Boozer (No. 34 in 2002)
Shane Battier (No. 6 in 2001)
Didn’t live up to expectations
Austin Rivers (No. 10 in 2012)
Nolan Smith (No. 21 in 2011)
Gerald Henderson (No. 12 in 2009)
Shelden Williams (No. 5 in 2006)
Daniel Ewing (No. 32 in 2005)
Dahntay Jones (No. 20 in 2003)
Mike Dunleavy (No. 3 in 2002)
Jay Williams (No. 2 in 2002)
Chris Carrawell (No. 41 in 2000)
That’s 12-of-21 – a 57 percent hit rate.
By comparison, here are players drafted from North Carolina in the same span:
Lived up to expectations
Harrison Barnes (No. 7 in 2012)
John Henson (No. 14 in 2012)
Tyler Zeller (No. 17 in 2012)
Ed Davis (No. 13 in 2010)
Tyler Hansbrough (No. 13 in 2009)
Ty Lawson (No. 18 in 2009)
Wayne Ellington (No. 28 in 2009)
Danny Green (No. 46 in 2009)
Brandan Wright (No. 8 in 2007)
Brendan Haywood (No. 20 in 2001)
Didn’t live up to expectations
Reggie Bullock (No. 25 in 2013)
Kendall Marshall (No. 13 in 2012)
Reyshawn Terry (No. 44 in 2007)
David Noel (No. 39 in 2006)
Marvin Williams (No. 2 in 2005)
Raymond Felton (No. 5 in 2005)
Sean May (No. 13 in 2005)
Rashad McCants (No. 14 in 2005)
Joseph Forte (No. 21 in 2001)
The Tar Heels are 10-for-19 – 53 percent.
Nobody would reasonably shy from drafting players from North Carolina, and they’ve fared worse than Duke players. Making snap judgments about Duke players just because they went to Duke is foolish.
Jackson is talking about a different time, when aside from Hill, Duke had a long run of first-round picks failing to meet expectations:
Roshown McLeod (No. 20 in 1998)
Cherokee Parks (No. 12 in 1995)
Bobby Hurley (No. 7 in 1993)
Christian Laettner (No. 3 in 1992)
Alaa Abdelnaby (No. 25 in 1990)
Danny Ferry (No. 2 in 1989)
Then, it was fair to question whether Mike Krzyzewski’s coaching yielded good college players who didn’t translate to the pros. But there have been more than enough counterexamples in the years since to dismiss that theory as bunk or outdated.
Count this as another example of Jackson sounding like someone who shouldn’t run an NBA team in 2015.
To be fair, the Knicks had a decent offseason, at least once you acknowledge they couldn’t land a star (which was kind of supposed to be Jackson’s job, right?).
The questions Knicks fans must ask themselves: Do you trust Jackson because of the moves he has made or worry about the next move because of what he has said?
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Re: Phil Jackson questions whether Duke players live up to expectations in NBA
by Sam Fri Jul 24, 2015 3:44 pm
Atta boy, Phil. Keep showing off that "knowledge" and that pomposity.
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Re: Phil Jackson questions whether Duke players live up to expectations in NBA
by dboss Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:42 pm
Phil has the mind of a child. This Zen master notion is probably referring to his grasshopper mentality.
So he takes heat for drafting the Euro kid instead of Justice Winslow who happened to play for Duke so now he disparages the Duke program which indirectly is throwing a dart at Coach K as well as Duke players that became NBA players.
There is no good reason to respect this man.
dboss
So he takes heat for drafting the Euro kid instead of Justice Winslow who happened to play for Duke so now he disparages the Duke program which indirectly is throwing a dart at Coach K as well as Duke players that became NBA players.
There is no good reason to respect this man.
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