Problems with trading Terry Rozier....

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Problems with trading Terry Rozier....



By tdubis65 on May 2, 2018, 11:31pm EDT 20



Full disclosure--

Over a year ago-- I think I pushed the idea of trading Terry Rozier for Jahlil Okafor. So-- my credibility is pretty freaking low right now.

Full disclosure 2--

I would like to see Rozier traded because he deserves a shot to be a starting point guard in the league.

With that said-- here are three reasons that complicate trading Rozier.


Lets start with a simple assumption. The Celtics will be Championship contenders NEXT year. if they trade Rozier they need to trade him for a player who will be MORE valuable to the roster than what they currently have. The problem is-- the Celtics have a pretty stacked roster and not much cap space.


TRADING FOR A CURRENT DRAFT PICK

Looking at the teams with top 10 picks--

Phoenix.. Desperately needs a point guard BUT the lowest they are going to pick is 4. No way they are willing to give up on Donca, Bagley, Jackson or Ayton for Rozier.

Memphis-- Yep-- sign a point guard who could be gone in two years when you have a point guard near max-- Conley on your roster-- NOT happening.

Dallas-- Drafted Denis Smith Jr. last year. Not trading for Rozier.

Atlanta-- have Dennis Schroder locked down for 4 years. Rozier MAY be an upgrade but not worth the pick.

Orlando-- has a dire need at point. Maybe the Celtics could throw in a few additional picks-- but would if Bamba is here, would you give up a future DPOY guy for a potentially great point guard.

Chicago-- again, there is a need. But are you getting back someone at 6 who will give you more next year than Rozier gives you.

Sacramento-- drafted Fox. They are not going to trade for Rozier-- except-- they are the KINGS.

Cleveland-- needs a point-- but need to keep James happy more.

New York-- again, may have interest-- after the top players the draft is heaving on wings. With Tatum, Smart, Hayward and Brown-- the Celtics do not need another wing.

Philadelphia-- has Simmons. Rozier would be an interesting add but not giving up their last good draft pick for 10 years for a good point guard.


TRADING FOR A CURRENT PLAYER

Again-- the Celtics are not only good-- but they are deep & they have a few players who could develop.

With Ojeleye, Yabusele, Allen and Bird-- the Celtics do not need any developmental projects.

They could use the ever elusive "rim protector" but Nerlens Noel is going to be an cheep unrestricted free agent. While he is not great-- who can you get via trade who is going to be better enough to give up Rozier for?


TRADING FOR FUTURE PICKS.

Teams will not give up future picks without a lot of protections. Also-- the quality of draft class fluctuates so much. The third pick in 2018 is FAR more valuable than the third pick in 2016.

MAYBE-- Phoenix would be willing to let go of the MIami unprotected 2021 pick for Rozier-- that would at least be interesting. Both teams would be taking huge risks.

But-- if they are able to get Leonard for Jackson, Criss and a few draft picks-- maybe they will want Rozier to make a playoff push.



bob



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I would reluctantly trade Rozier and next year's kings pick if the celtics have a shot at a player like Bamba.  He would be my target.  His length is tremendous.

I would go after the Orlando pick and if we had to also part with an additional pick I would give up #27 this year.  

This move would weaken our PG depth but if Hayward is back and ready to play he can assume some of the ball handling chores.

Bamba's length would make Boston the best defensive team in the NBA by a wide margin.

kdp59 wrote:I think I started talking about using Rozier to move up a few weeks back here.

I said then that Orlando at #5 would be a target, due to them needing a starting PG.

of course there would need to be a player on the board at that pick, that Danny feels is a better long term play than Rozier.

the other issue with moving up that high in any draft is , I doubt anyone feels Rozier is worth that pick alone.

If I am Orlando I want the Kings pick in 2019 (which I would not give them) Also.

A deal that MIGHT be fair for both teams could be Rozier, #27 this year and Memphis OR Clippers future first for #5 and #35 picks this year.

but that is ONLY IF Danny feels the player on the board is another long term quality starter.

players I have said I would want are Bamba or Jackson at #5.

Carter I am up and down on, but I know some have him as a young Horford......so...........

I don't think Rozier alone will get us another elite player in the draft or in a trade







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edit:

I re read the piece and noted they feel Noel will come cheap as an UFA this year. After this seasons fiasco at Dallas they are correct . With the lack of FA money around this year, there will be lots of players taking a one year Mid Level deal, IMO.

Replacing Monroe by rolling the dice on Noel at the MLE next year and re-signing both Smart (absolutely!) and Baynes should allow us to punt the ball on any Rozier deal another year.

we need to remember we can still control Rozier as a RFA after next season and that that is the year Irving can opt out I think. Likely one or the other then if it gets that far I suppose.

that year we could also be sitting on the Kings lottery pick and perhaps one or Memphis or Clippers I believe.

depending on who has improved and who has had injuries problems, Danny could elect to allow Irving walk at that point. stranger things  have happened in the NBA.

That's right it was your post that identified Orlando as a possible trade partner.

Orlando may be interested.  They would be getting a solid all aound player with 2 years left on his contract.

I think TR is better than the top PG coming out.  So if they want a pg why not get one that is still young but has great experience under his belt

cowens/oldschool wrote:I haven’t seen entough of Bamba, I know he can obviously defend the rim, does he have the mobility to defend on perimeter?

And, with this new NBA, can he shoot from the perimeter? I don't want a Hassan Whiteside, a player who can score inside but lacks the mobility to go out to the perimeter on offense or defense.


bob


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So if a trade like this takes place, we can throw all the rumors about Kwahi in the toilet???? I hope so. I know the guy is terrific, but we have up and coming two terrific's. And you know Pop will go after them first and foremost, he is not giving away a player like Kwahi without getting quality in return, and a new beginning.

I went off topic...so here is my thought on Terry Rozier. I think if he stays here, we are going to have a problem sooner or later. This guy wants to start, and now that he has, there is no turning back for him. For those who would say, "get rid of Kyrie"I could scream.
Terry Rozier is no where near Kyrie. So, I guess, my thought is, if you can get something really good in return, go for it. We still have another year before he is a restricted free agent, right????

I think this team went through a major overhaul last year, this can't keep happening year after year. But, what if Paul and LeBron go to Philly, talk about scary.

I really would love to keep Rozier but, someone will go this year. I wonder who it will be

enough rambling, I will end with one statement,
DANNY AINGE...I WILL BE SOOO DISAPPOINTED IF YOU BREAK UP THE TANDUM OF BROWN AND TATUM.
WE ARE ON THE VERGE OF SUCH A TERRIFIC SEASON NEXT YEAR, LET IT RIDE

Funny.

TR scores a playoff career high and we talk about trading him.

Such is life as a Celtics fan.

I think Danny will make a deal if it is for a center that could anchor the defense for a decade.  The draft pick from the Philly fleecing may be in play.

If Boston trades TR they will need to draft another PG.

 Do we under-appreciate this roster?

I don't, I think it would be great to have him coming off the bench , even Brad has said before that he has floated the idea of two point guards playing together, and he did it a few times. I worry that TR will be unhappy, that is the biggest issue. If they could come to a happy medium, it would be awesome

cowens/oldschool wrote:

bobheckler wrote:

cowens/oldschool wrote:I haven’t seen entough of Bamba, I know he can obviously defend the rim, does he have the mobility to defend on perimeter?

And, with this new NBA, can he shoot from the perimeter?  I don't want a Hassan Whiteside, a player who can score inside but lacks the mobility to go out to the perimeter on offense or defense.


bob


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Bob your asking for too much, I don’t expect him to have an outside shot too, Rozier didn’t have one till just this last month....if he can defend on perimeter and rim somewhat that would make our defense historically great, we can get enough offense from all the other positions.

Cow,

My bet is that we could pick up Noel on the cheap, as another one of Danny/Brad's reclamation projects. His rep is about as bad as it could get, having gotten run out of Philly and now Dallas. He only played 472 minutes all last year. Abdel Nader played 522. Why trade Rozier for an unknown, untested rookie when you could get a 23-going-on-24 year old who we know can play the same role and probably for the same money? A #6 pick makes $4M in year one, $4.7M in year 2 and $4.9M in year 3. It will take him that long to become a major contributor. I'll bet Noel has come down off his cloud, where he thought he could be a max player, and just wants to resurrect his career.


bob



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