5 things to know about Celtics top pick Romeo Langford

atcross wrote:Momma always told me to draft the best player remaining. In the mock draft polls Langford was picked to go as high as 6, with only one picking him below 12 at 16. And that was with a questionable shooting hand. Before college he was considered one of the top five or ten recruits in the nation. Langford was a gift horse. Drafting a big (6'10"+) who can be a productive rotation player to fill the shoes of AH/AB in 19/20 seems like a real crapshoot. How many centers drafted to playoff teams at 14 or lower played that role in their first year? And also, if DA is going to trade for a good big he might have to give up one of his guards. Langford could be nice to have if you have to lose Brown or Smart in a trade.

don't know which mocks you were looking at..but here is the last aggregate mock from Hoopsype

https://hoopshype.com/2019/06/19/nba-mock-draft-rumors-updates-movement/


Langford ?
23 at draftnet
15 at ESPN
21 at the atletic
15 at the ringer
21 at SI.com

no where in the top 12 sorry.

Ainge must like him though, so I hope it works out.

Mock drafts are mental masturbation. They are even less reliable than actual drafts.

jrleftfoot wrote:dboss your powers of deflection are impressive. I said I had no opinion on Langford and rather than responding to that  you cited my opinion on something else  entirely  as somehow contradictory . You tout your ability to gauge shooting ability, while stubbornly refusing to consider the possibility that shooting stats  (yes,in high school) obtained prior to tearing a thumb ligament might be more indicative of ability than those accrued while playing with the injury. Best of all, you cite aggregate mock draft ranking  as if it was  a meaningful  and decisive factor. I'm thrilled to hear you will root for all the Celtics, even Langford, though. Feel free to have the last word, or not. I'll be out looking for a herd to run with.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

jrleftfoot wrote:Mock drafts are mental masturbation. They are even less reliable than actual drafts.

Don't jerk yourself off over it.  It sounds like it is a mental masturbation for you.  You thought of it.

kdp59 wrote:

atcross wrote:Momma always told me to draft the best player remaining. In the mock draft polls Langford was picked to go as high as 6, with only one picking him below 12 at 16. And that was with a questionable shooting hand. Before college he was considered one of the top five or ten recruits in the nation. Langford was a gift horse. Drafting a big (6'10"+) who can be a productive rotation player to fill the shoes of AH/AB in 19/20 seems like a real crapshoot. How many centers drafted to playoff teams at 14 or lower played that role in their first year? And also, if DA is going to trade for a good big he might have to give up one of his guards. Langford could be nice to have if you have to lose Brown or Smart in a trade.

don't know which mocks you were looking at..but here is the last aggregate mock from Hoopsype

https://hoopshype.com/2019/06/19/nba-mock-draft-rumors-updates-movement/


Langford ?
23 at draftnet
15 at ESPN
21 at the atletic
15 at the ringer
21 at SI.com

no where in the  top 12 sorry.

Ainge must like him though, so I hope it works out.

Got it here. But I agree that mock drafts are, as the name implies, just someone's guess. I believe though that before his thumb injury he was rated much higher. I've read some the mock draft analises and I note many noted his shooting fall off at IU but they fail to mention the thumb. Hardly the full picture. As you say, Ainge must like him and considering Stevens has probably been following him all along I suspect he was a strong influence.
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2019/04/04/where-iu-basketballs-romeo-langford-picked-nba-mock-draft-2019/3367372002/

Now you are going to try to drag somebody else into it? I doubt that kdp59 cares what I think about mock drafts .Not everybody is as easily butt hurt as some.You obviously enjoy arguing for it's own sake, but your last couple efforts less than inspired IMHO. You win . Ainge should have drafted the guys you would have picked. I hope that suffices, dboss.

A sixth thing: he's excited to be a Celtic.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/celtics-grant-williams-romeo-langford-151232679.html

I'm going to throw in a quick request to keep it more civil here.

Not calling out anyone in particular.

The fact is, though, we all have a right to give our opinion. And none of those opinions should be confused with absolute facts.

State your opinion, and explain it if you wish, although you don't have to. Then leave it be. No need to attack the opinions of others, either. Always OK to debate, but always good to know when to drop it. No need for everyone to see it all the same.

When they actually play the games, you may even get to proclaim victory, genius, or clairvoyance.

For now, let's not get all worked up. OK?

Good advice NY Celt.

atcross wrote:In this HS highlights (i.e., pre-thumb) I note that many of his 3pt-ers are from well outside the HS 3pt line. I'm no expert on shot mechanics but I'm not seeing a problem. But it is a highlights reel. I would note that his ability to slash was so much more than HS players could handle that he could get to the basket at will. His HS stats suggest he's a terrific scorer, regardless of his shooting. This kid was very visible in IN so I'm sure Brad got to see a lot of him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4oLn2GDoLw

And he hit a bunch of those 3’s with a defender jumping on his shooting hand, forcing him to contort his body and mechanics and he still hit the shot....

From where we drafted, I really like all our picks this year.

I expect Fall will become a prize.

worcester wrote:I expect Fall will become a prize.

That would be incredible, a Mark Eaton clone, hope his skills will translate to this level....

Sign him and put him in the G League for a few years

Yeah..1 to.2 years in G league. Then unleash the Kracken!

Maybe 2 way contract this year and sign multi year contract next offseason if it looks like he’ll be fine

2 way makes sense. Let's see how he does in summer league. We could use a wind Fall.

A lot of teams had Tacko Fall in for a workout and saw him at the Combine.
Despite this exposure, no team drafted him or offered him a two way contract.
I am definitely rooting for him but making a roster will be hard for Tacko.

Hmm. I did not know that. Then 2 way makes sense. As much sense as Yabu for $3.5 M. Who will take him off our hands?

The contract he signed can be converted to a 2 way contract

tjmakz wrote:A lot of teams had Tacko Fall in for a workout and saw him at the Combine.
Despite this exposure, no team drafted him or offered him a two way contract.
I am definitely rooting for him but making a roster will be hard for Tacko.

Agree 100%.

Watching him play for UCF was entertaining, but he doesn't have any single skill developed to an NBA level. With very few exceptions that I'm aware of, a player drafted and needing that kind of extensive development is, perhaps, a future overseas professional player. And Fall wasn't even drafted. Prolonged stints in the G League, if that becomes the route, are generally an indicator of no NBA future.

Fall was a great story toward the end of this past NCAA season, but mostly because of his size, and short arms for his height. He was part of an excellent defensive team strategy that almost shut down Duke. Short memories have been talking about him shutting down Zion. As they used to say, 'not so much.' In fact it was Zion finishing at the rim over a 7'6" Fall, and drawing the and-1 foul, that allowed Duke to close within a point and win on Barrett's basket.

I'm happy Boston was the one to bring him in for a look, and hope a miracle happens and he sticks around. I've also seen enough to know a miracle is what it will take. But hey, the Mets won in '69, the U.S. took hockey gold in Lake Placid, so maybe...

Bottom line; Boston still has to look for a few capable bigs.

Wait. Weren't we talking about Langford? Hope the thumb heals.

Well he does have 2 skills that can keep him in the league, possibly rebounding and scoring and defense in the paint, close to the rim. The problem is his 2 weaknesses kill off how much his strengths might help, he can’t defend away from the basket and his terrible free throw shooting. Just like a little guard can be exposed on switches, the same can happen to the Giant if he has to chase on the perimeter.

I thought that last FG over Fall by Zion was a charge, Fall just stood straight and Zion ran right at him, and refs gave him the call. He can be a very real force close to the basket, and stopped a lot of drives by Duke. Against certain match ups, he could help us with his size and certain match ups his lack of mobility will kill us.

The two things that excite me the most about Langford are:

1.  He got to the line a lot.

2.  He was talked about as being a Top 5 pick until his injured thumb diluted his play and put questions in the minds of GMs.  Take out a once-per-era freak like Zion and that would make Langford a Top 4 pick in other drafts.  If he's not cleared to play by summer league he certainly will be by camp and his talent will still be there.  He didn't drop from Top 10 to 21 like Sully, who had a back issue AND a weight issue.   Langford has the thumb, which is almost there, and that's it.

Being a 6'6" back court player is good too.


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bobheckler wrote:The two things that excite me the most about Langford are:

1.  He got to the line a lot.

2.  He was talked about as being a Top 5 pick until his injured thumb diluted his play and put questions in the minds of GMs.  Take out a once-per-era freak like Zion and that would make Langford a Top 4 pick in other drafts.  If he's not cleared to play by summer league he certainly will be by camp and his talent will still be there.  He didn't drop from Top 10 to 21 like Sully, who had a back issue AND a weight issue.   Langford has the thumb, which is almost there, and that's it.

Being a 6'6" back court player is good too.


bob


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Agreed bob, there were other wings picked before him that also have flaws in their shooting % and are not elite athletes too. I like in the clips I’ve seen he seems to score very well in traffic, he might not have elite athleticism, but still has no problem finishing and getting there....from where we picked him, great value.