Do these players have a role next season?

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Do these players have a role next season?



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BY CHRIS FORSBERG



Forsberg's Focus
CHRIS FORSBERG TAKES A LOOK AT THE CELTICS ORGANIZATION FROM TOP TO BOTTOM, AND WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS.
Each weekday for the rest of the month, we’ll put members of the 2019-20 Celtics, and some of their most notable statistics, under the microscope while assessing their seasons and what lies ahead: *


960

That’s the total number of minutes logged this season by Boston’s triumvirate of Carsen Edwards, Vincent Poirier, and Javonte Green. The trio accounted for a mere 4.4 percent of Boston’s total minutes this season and played a combined total of just 11 minutes overall in the playoffs.

Even as rookies, that’s a jarringly low number despite modest expectations for this group entering the year.


What went right for Edwards/Poirier/Green in 2020

The Celtics snagged Edwards early in the second round (33rd overall pick) as part of a deal with the Philadelphia 76ers. He erupted for 30 points in the team’s preseason finale in Cleveland, which included an incredible eight third-quarter 3-pointers. Dreams of him as a microwave bench scorer began bubbling for Celtics fans.

Green had one of the best stories in the NBA, winning the battle for Boston’s final roster spot as a 26-year-old rookie after toiling overseas in Spain, Italy, and Germany. His athleticism, especially his insane hops, distinguished Green.

The Celtics paid decent money (two years, $5.1 million) to bring Poirier over from France with hopes he could compete for big-man minutes. His personality — and penchant for eye-popping fashion — blended well with Boston’s diverse group of international bigs.


What went wrong for Edwards/Poirier/Green in 2020

That big preseason game in Cleveland might have conspired against Edwards as expectations spiked. It’s easy to forget but he saw pretty steady minutes early in the season but shot just 32.1 percent over his first 21 games and, by mid-December, was essentially out of the rotation. Even in the G-League his 3-point shot defied him as he connected on just 27.7 percent of his 9.2 attempts over 13 games.

Among this trio, Green provided the best minutes, even if his playing time was sporadic. He made a bit of a push for time in early November, especially after Gordon Hayward broke his hand, and yet soon faded from the rotation. He never quite harnessed his athleticism in the way that allowed him to consistently be an impact defender but he was good for a highlight-caliber dunk whenever he got extended run.

Poirier had a couple encouraging moments for France during FIBA play that made Celtics fans wonder if his rim-running ways could earn him immediate time. Instead, Poirier often looked overmatched on the NBA court. He had a team-worst net rating of minus-6.5 in 130 minutes of floor time (though some of that can be chalked up to noise in trash-time situations). Poirier, who departed the bubble for the birth of his first child, played only 1 minute, 49 seconds total in Orlando between seeding and playoff games.


Early outlook for Edwards/Poirier/Green for 2021

Shooting is such a premium that the Celtics will give Edwards every chance to find his shot and he’s a low-cost option under the team’s long-term control. Still, the Celtics had a team-worst offensive rating of 94.9 during Edwards’ 351 minutes of floor time this season.

Green has a nonguaranteed contract for the 2021 season that nearly doubles in cost to $1.5 million. He’s proven he belongs on an NBA roster but it might be somewhere other than Boston if the Celtics need that roster spot, or can fill that slot cheaper given their luxury tax concerns.

Those same tax concerns make it tough to see how Boston carries Poirier at $2.6 million unless he shows marked improvement in a short offseason. Boston could try to get someone to absorb Poirier’s salary in exchange for draft assets if they can’t invest in his NBA development.


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Is there anything out there about when things will start moving? The draft? Free agency? Ability to start negotiations with players? I really do not understand what the big wait is for here. The front office has had nothing but time to make some decisions. The kids waiting to be drafted are really sitting on pins and needles I am sure. This has been one heck of a year for college players. No tournaments to come out of the woodwork and be a surprise, I am not a huge college bb watcher, I do follow the tournaments though.

This is going to be a stretch without basketball. After seeing the up tick in cases around, I just wonder what will happen with the season. Football is playing on a slippery slope right now. Every week it is another team with an outbreak. They are determined to get the season in but you have to wonder, is this good for the players

Nov 18 is the draft I  beleive.

The new NBA year will likely start soon after (once they decide what the cap numbers will look like).

so we have about a month of me and others speculating wildly....then reality will be here.

this will be a short off-season for us NBA junkies, as they are talking about starting the season on MLK day.

I have to say that I do not think that Mr. Poirier has any role anywhere in the NBA. He is big enough but just does not seem to have even one skill to build a career on. Unfortunately, he was no where near NBA ready when he arrived and is still not NBA ready now.

He was/is not too terribly expensive, but he has no spot on the Cs, and they are likely not going to be able to move him unless he is a throw in in some deal to make salaries work.

The other two guys mentioned did not make much of a contribution either, but they at least look like they may be NBA players-especially Green.

Green at least showed that he can be useful. His contract also isn't guaranteed.

Edwards' contract is guaranteed this year and next and Poirier is guaranteed this year.

wideclyde wrote:I have to say that I do not think that Mr. Poirier has any role anywhere in the NBA.  He is big enough but just does not seem to have even one skill to build a career on.  Unfortunately, he was no where near NBA ready when he arrived and is still not NBA ready now.

He was/is not too terribly expensive, but he has no spot on the Cs, and they are likely not going to be able to move him unless he is a throw in in some deal to make salaries work.

The other two guys mentioned did not  make much of a contribution either, but they at least look like they may be NBA players-especially Green.

Surprised how ineffective he was, he led his L in rebounding and read somewhere his competition in a pro league was at a higher level than college basketball. Agreed he does not seem to have one skill to build on.

Where is Semi’s name on this list?

None of these players have a future in the NBA.

These players all represent Danny Ainge not doing his job to make this team better.

VP is limited and being part of a platoon system of rotating centers and non-centers (Grant William) limits his opportunity to contribute.

Carsen Edwards is a one trick pony who needs to work on his one trick. His offensive rating would be better if he actually knew how to run an offense, He will live and die by the 3 pointer. He will be here but could also be a filler for a trade to help make the numbers work.

Green is the 15th man on a 15 man squad. The Celtics seem to like Romeo Langford more but I do not know why they would other than the fact that they wasted a lottery pick to move him into the infirmary ward.

Semi should be gone.

In sum, please move along because there is really not much to see here. It is just another train wreck, brush fire, or DOA situation.

I have hope for Romeo....

cowens/oldschool wrote:I have hope for Romeo....

Yeah so did Juliet.

Edwards:

He gets a second look, plus he is guaranteed on the cheap.  Maybe in his second season he loses his jitters and gets his shot back.  If he doesn't get it figured out by the trading deadline, he could be included in a trade at that time.  

Green:

Not guaranteed, so he's gone.  There's a traffic jamb at his position. Plus, Romeo is slated for his minutes.

Vincent Poirier:

If Kanter opts out, VPo gets his minutes.  Then we will finally get to see what got him to the league, not counting height.  Maybe he was the answer the whole time?  

All three are way down on the end of the bench.  If they stay or if they go doesn't move the needle all that much.  The best way for them to move the needle is in a trade.

dboss wrote:

cowens/oldschool wrote:I have hope for Romeo....

Yeah so did Juliet.  

Quote of the day winner!

Yes, quote of the day.

dboss wrote:

In sum, please move along because there is really not much to see here.  It is just another train wreck, brush fire, or DOA situation.

dboss,

and some think I am the depressing one here....LOL.

they ARE all end of the bencher types for sure. But us "older" fans need to keep in mind the NBA used to only have 12 player rosters. So most of theses guys wouldn't even be in the NBA just a few years back.

Semi however has been a "semi-rotational" player (see what I did there?). so he may have a chance to continue his NBA career here or somewhere else next season, IMO.

the others may be on the team or not and as others have said it won't move the needle one way or the other.

We could use a Leon Powe type at #15, a player for whom I had a lot of respect.