8 days to trade deadline- 8 made up trade options.

#1:

as rosanne rosannadana used to say

"never mind".



actually I had one but I needed to pull it as it pushed the Celtics over the tax apron.

was something like

Thompson and Nesmith and next years first to NO

for

S. Adams and L. Ball


Adams used up most of the TPE in that trade.


then flipping Ball as part of the 3 team trade to Orl for T. Ross.

but that put us over the Tax apron by about $10M


so to adjust it we'd have to send Ball to NY for Say E. Quickly instead.

moot point of course because there is no reason to be a taxpaying team this year if we're just a .500 team

kdp59 wrote:#1:

as rosanne rosannadana used to say

"never mind".

Gee I'm slow this morning. I'm scrolling down looking for the list of 8

Well, this looks like Danny's list of trade options. Nothing on it.

Day 2: ( or after Cleveland)


Thompson and Edwards to Toronto

for

Baynes, S. Johnson and Toronto's first  round pick.


Clear minutes for Rob, Nesmith and Pritchard the rest of this year.

Baynes and Johnson are expiring contracts only and neither one would likely be brought back

two late first round picks for next season ( though ours might end up being late lottery how about another #14 pick,,,,, yes!!).

Ainge gets to hug his TPE all off-season!

Is this happening or just your idea?

they are all made up entirely in my twisted mind only!!

as the title says...LOL.

Damn good idea. Now I am disappointed it is not real.

I like Lonzo Ball, his shooting has improved, a pass first point and versatile defensive player that can cover 1-3. He would improve our defense and get us playing at a faster tempo. I would trade Smart even up for him right now, and even add a top pick. Ofcourse I would prefer to move Kemba first, but know Pelicans would not do that deal.

The only problem with ball is he is a RFA next season.

Adams signed a two year extension at a solid $17m per year starting next season, even though he's making $27.5M this year (which fits the Hayward TPE).

Thompson and Nesmith for Ball works cap wise for trading also.

so NO gets Thompson (cheaper than Adams for one less year) and a first round pick under my proposal.

NO gets Nesmith for Ball (who will not resign there it seems).

Keeping both would put us over the tax apron though, so we couldn't do that deal.

replacing Nesmith with Smart works I think cap wise, but Ball would have to agree to resign here I think for that to be considered.

worcester wrote:Well, this looks like Danny's list of trade options. Nothing on it.

that cracked me up

What I do not get for the life of me is WHY Danny will not consider upgrading this team that is so clearly bad this year...

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31083326/houston-rockets-trading-pj-tucker-milwaukee-bucks-sources-say

I mean our end of the bench looks to me exactly as bad as what the Bucks are sending over...

So wth Danny?!?!

Vankisa wrote:What I do not get for the life of me is WHY Danny will not consider upgrading this team that is so clearly bad this year...

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31083326/houston-rockets-trading-pj-tucker-milwaukee-bucks-sources-say

I mean our end of the bench looks to me exactly as bad as what the Bucks are sending over...

So wth Danny?!?!

Vankisa

You poised a very good question.  I think this is a bottom line decision firstly.  If the Celtics were not concerned about adding the salary of a veteran wing like Harrison Barnes I think Danny would do a deal.  The other issue may be to find a team that wants to do business with Danny.

I saw an article today that strongly indicates that GM's are not happy with Danny because he tried to trade what has been referred to as 'damaged goods' (Kemba Walker)

I do not know if this is true or just the opinion of a particular sports figure with a radio show.  You may have read reports before that Danny was shopping Kemba pretty hard.

Here is a relatively recent 2/21/2021 piece about it.

https://www.sportscasting.com/danny-ainge-upset-nba-wanting-trade-kemba-walker/

I do not necessarily believe this is completely accurate because every team in the NBA already knew that Kemba had a knee problem and would not be ready to start the season.  In other word, unless there was an effort by Danny to hide the seriousness of the Kemba knee issue, I do not see why any GM would be upset that Danny was looking to move him.  Danny's overall reputation however has in fact taken a few hits and the report mentions IT and how that ended.  

I am going to defend Danny on his attempts to trade him because there is no way that any GM did not know that Kemba was less than ready to play.  None of us know or will ever know what conversations actually took place but I just cannot imagine that Danny tried to hoodwink another GM given the fact that information was already out there regarding Kemba.

Danny was simply trying to correct the mistake that he made when he signed and overpaid for an undersized shoot first PG with a history of at least 3 surgical procedures on his knee.  

Danny may also be looking at this situation in improving the team with a long ball approach.  The benefits of drafting Marcus, Jaylen and Jayson have proven to be really high end decisions.  Now he see a guy like RW taking a big leap and he feels quite good about the PP selection.  He has a good shot that either AN or RL become everyday players or maybe even a starter level guy.  He knows that the J's are locked up for multiple years.  Basically he has time to play the odds and come out on top.

day 3:

back to Orlando for A. Gordon

Gordon to Boston using $18M of the Hayward TPE and next years first round pick.

Theis to Orlando under their $6.1M disabled player exception they have for Fultz.

Teague to Orlando using the $3.5M disabled player exception for Issac.


Gordon under contract one more year at $16M or so.

Celtics are still $2.6M UNDER the tax line with one roster spot open now.

This is an article that offers trades using Danny's $4.8M TPE from Enes Kanter.  It's not the "Grand Slam" of the BIG TPE, nor even two homers using that one, but these ideas are ones that the author thinks shores up things a bit.

kdp did a lot of work to put his ideas together.  I thought I'd put this article here and make kdp's thread the central thread for CELTIC trade ideas.  Not rumors, per se, but ideas.


https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2021/03/19/boston-celtics-target-kanter-tpe/



3 players to target with Enes Kanter’s $4.8 million TPE


by Mark Nilon3 minutes ago



With just under a week to go till the March 25th NBA trade deadline arrives, Boston Celtics fans are champing at the bit awaiting any semblance of an idea in regard to what Danny Ainge and co. plan on doing.

As things currently stand, the Cs find themselves residing in the seventh seed out in the Eastern Conference at 20-20.

While the good news is they are just two wins behind the fourth-seeded Miami Heat, thus insinuating even the smallest of win streaks could feasibly thrust them up three whole spots in the standings, the bad news is they are only three wins ahead of the 11th seeded Toronto Raptors, which means a cold spell could feasibly drop the Cs a whole four spots.

With all this in mind, many are under the impression that, if this shamrocks squad wishes to get back on track, they must consider making some moves by this year’s deadline.

Though we recently made the argument that this front office should strongly consider holding off on making trades until the upcoming offseason, this was largely in reference to big moves that would require giving up several picks and/ or using up their historically large $28.5 million TPE.

In fact, some could even argue that making smaller moves to simply add depth to the roster could be of great benefit to this team moving forward through the current campaign, and a way they could go about doing such a small-scale trade would be by using one of their other oft-forgotten TPEs, specifically the one they received during the Enes Kanter sign-and-trade to Portland.

The Boston Celtics should consider using their $4.8 million Enes Kanter TPE
While the brunt of the TPE focus has been on the one they received from the Gordon Hayward sign-and-trade this past offseason — and rightly so –, the Boston Celtics quietly managed to snag two more via their offseason trades that sent Vincent Poirier to the OKC Thunder and Kanter to the Trail Blazers.

The biggest of the two latter exceptions is Kanter’s, which clocks in at a value of up to $4.8 million.

Now listen, obviously, we don’t expect the Cs will be able to get anyone of huge significance with this specific TPE but, looking around the league, if they’re willing to part with a second-rounder or two, there are a few players worth considering with such a method of acquisition.

Here are 3 specific players that immediately come to mind:


Boston Celtics trade target No. 1) Mike Muscala




Perhaps the most famous quote this season in regard to the Boston Celtics came from when Danny Ainge declared that he believes the team needs ‘shooters with size.’

Ainge was pressed on what he thinks the Celtics’ top need is currently.

“I would say maybe shooting with size,” he replied.

“There are a lot of different ways that you can win in this league,” said Ainge when asked specifically why he felt that way, “but I would say that shooting, we could use shooting, we could use passing, but you always need defense.

Naturally, this sent fans and media alike into a frenzy trying to figure out what trade targets could qualify for such a distinction.

We here at HH believe that an under-the-radar player the Cs could consider to fill such a desire from the front office is OKC Thunder veteran, Mike Muscala.

Currently, in the midst of one of his best seasons as a pro, the 6-10 big man is posting per-game averages of 9.7 points and 3.8 rebounds on 45 percent shooting from the floor and 37 percent shooting from deep.

Shooting about 37 percent from deep for his career, 2020-21 does not seem to be an aberration and, if Oklahoma City’s recent dealings are any indicator, a second-round pick could be enough to entice the franchise to consider parting with him.


Boston Celtics trade target No. 2) Wayne Ellington




Though the main trade target found on the Detroit Pistons is Jerami Grant, looking at their roster there are actually a few quality players that could be of some use to this Boston Celtics team.

One player in particular that both falls into the price range of the Enes Kanter TPE and whose skillset would actually compliment this Cs team is veteran shooting guard Wayne Ellington.

A pure 3-point shooting specialist who can create off the dribble while also possessing the capability to excel in catch-and-shoot scenarios (59.9 efficient field goal percentage on such attempts), Ellington currently finds himself in the midst of a solid campaign, posting per-game averages of 10.6 points, 1.8 rebounds, and 1.4 assists per game on 45 percent shooting from the floor and 42 percent shooting from deep.

Though he’s in no way a “game-changer” by any stretch of the word, the 33-year-old is a competent floor spacing asset (shoots 38 percent from deep for his career) who could seriously help improve Boston’s long-range game.

On just a one-year, $1.6 million contract, he fits seamlessly into the TPE and, with the rumor being that the Pistons are seeking just a second-round pick in a deal for the veteran two-guard, Wayne Ellington finds himself well within Boston’s price range.


Boston Celtics trade target No. 3) Hassan Whiteside




Recently, Bleacher Report listed “size” as the biggest need for the Boston Celtics at this year’s deadline and, with this, brought up some very valid points as to why:

Boston is surrendering the sixth-highest opponents’ field-goal percentage within three feet of the rim and is barely in the top half of the league in defensive rebounding percentage.

The ability to play positionless on both sides of the floor is a plus, but in the Eastern Conference, with potential matchups against Joel Embiid and Giannis Antetokounmpo on the horizon, bigger options than Thompson (6’9″), Daniel Theis (6’8″) and Robert Williams III (6’8″) might help.

All things considered, a cheap way they can go about filling this void in the rotation would be to pursue the likes of Sacramento Kings defensive stalwart, Hassan Whiteside.

Through 24 games played, the 31-year-old is posting 8.2 points, 5.8 rebounds, and 1.3 blocks per game on 58 percent shooting from the field in just 14.8 minutes per game. Per 36 minutes, these numbers find themselves converting into an insane 19.9 points, 14 rebounds, and 3.2 blocks per game.

While some can argue that one cannot trust per-36 conversions, the fact is we’ve actually seen Whiteside post similar numbers in the past when serving as his respective team’s starting pivot, most recently last season with the Portland Trail Blazers where he averaged 15.5 points, 13.5 rebounds, a league-leading 2.9 blocks, and had a 3.2 box plus/ minus, which was second-best on the team only behind Damian Lillard.

At 7-0, 265-pounds Whiteside clearly would fill the team’s need for size down low, while his track record for being a rim-protecting enforcer could actually wind up benefiting the Cs come playoff time.


Bob
MY NOTE: Muscala is a decent shooter, but an awful rebounder for his size. Still, he might fit a short-term bill. At 29 he's still on the right side of the fairway. Wayne Ellington is 33, so he's a very short-term rental. His defense is 'meh', he's 6'4" BUT he's shooting 42% from 3. If Danny's looking for a wing that can score, he's that. Rumor has it LAL are hovering over Whiteside, hoping he gets bought out. I don't see the need for Whiteside, as far as I am concerned The Time Lord is already ahead of him. How many times have we seen RWill block, or at least challenge, a shooter at the arc? We won't see Whiteside do that because he won't leave the paint. I'll take a pass on Whiteside.


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Whiteside came on like gangbusters and everyone thought he was the next superstar. Miami deemed him expendable, and now Sacramento does. I am not so sure he is worth it right now. How much better than Thompson can he be?

Our defense has been less than impressive but I think scoring off the bench is what we need most. You have to figure that a veteran guy should be able to come in and have a short learning curve to get right into the mix.

Our team is struggling and we need to do even minor things to be better.

I would take Ellington from the list.

Which play making PG is available?

worcester wrote:Which play making PG is available?

a couple I have read as possibly on the trade block

K. Lowry

R. Rubio

Lonzo Ball

G. Dragic

kdp59 wrote:

worcester wrote:Which play making PG is available?

a couple I have read as possibly on the trade block

K. Lowry

R. Rubio

Lonzo Ball

G. Dragic

I'd be open to Rubio and Ball.  I'd love Lowry but unless he's getting bought out he'd eat up the big TPE and I'm not for that for him.  Dragic would be an asset, I just don't know what it would take.  Rubio is better of the other two, IMO.  30 years old, so experienced and a good floor general.  He makes $17M, though, and unless they're willing to accept 3 or 4 of our scrubs and Kanter's TPE I wouldn't want to use most of the big TPE for him.  Ball might be the more talented and, setting aside that LeVar will be moving his mouth non-stop, I wonder about the price to get him.  He's having a good year.  He's shooting 38.5% from 3 now, ugly shot and all. It'll hurt my eyes to watch but if they'll go in I'll learn to relax and love the bomb.


Bob


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dboss wrote:Our defense has been less than impressive but I think scoring off the bench is what we need most.  You have to figure that a veteran guy should be able to come in and have a short learning curve to get right into the mix.  

Our team is struggling and we need to do even minor things to be better.

I would take Ellington from the list.

I got one with Ellington in it, but I have it as day 6 right now...LOL.

If Danny can get Fultz and Ball we'd have the #1,2, and 3 picks of that draft year. But Fultz and Ball would be redundant, and Fultz is out hurt.

Rumor du jour has LAC exploring a deal for Ball.


Bob


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bobheckler wrote:Rumor du jour has LAC exploring a deal for Ball.


Bob


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The Clippers cannot trade any 1st round picks.
They have no young assets that New Orleans would want.
They also can't take on any additional salary over what they are sending out because they are capped at the $138,928,000 luxury tax apron.
If Lonzo is traded, I think it will be to the Knicks.

Your math is correct Tj.

TJ is Lou Williams on the trading block?? I have seen little quips here and there about him. I know the Celtics could not get him, this is just wondering??