Celtics Trade Dunn and Edwards for Hernangomez To Get Down To 15 Players

The Boston Celtics reportedly acquired Juancho Hernangomez in trade with the Memphis Grizzlies in exchange for Kris Dunn, Carsen Edwards and a second-round pick swap in the 2026 NBA draft.

ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski reported details of the deal Friday.



Brian Robb @BrianTRobb
about 9 minutes ago
Celtics depth chart after Hernangomez trade Guards: Smart, Schroder, Richardson, Pritchard, Langford Wings/Forwards: Tatum, Brown, Nesmith, Hernangomez, G. Williams, Parker, Hauser (two-way) Bigs: R. Williams, Horford, Kanter, Fernando


Bob
MY NOTE:  Juancho Hernangomez is 6'9", 215#.  Almost 26 years old.  He was the 15th pick in the 2016 draft by Denver.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hernaju01.html





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I know nothing about Hernangomez, but he will likely add more than Dunn and Edwards would have.

It would appear that this deal may also save the Cs some cap space?

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2021/09/boston-celtics-acquire-juancho-hernangomez-from-memphis-trade-kris-dunn-and-carsen-edwards-away-report.html



Boston Celtics acquire Juancho Hernangomez from Memphis, trade Kris Dunn and Carsen Edwards away


Updated: 12:13 p.m. | Published: 12:12 p.m.




FILE - In this Jan. 3, 2021, file photo, Minnesota Timberwolves forward Juancho Hernangomez (41) shoots over Denver Nuggets guard Will Barton in the second quarter of an NBA basketball game in Minneapolis. (AP Photo/Andy Clayton-King, File)AP



By Souichi Terada | sterada@masslive.com and Brian Robb | brobb@masslive.com



The Celtics slimmed their roster down while adding some depth at forward, which required dipping into their guard depth. Boston acquired 6-foot-9 forward Juancho Hernangomez from Memphis, sending away Kris Dunn and Carsen Edwards in the deal, a league source confirmed to MassLive. The move was first reported by ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski.

The deal can’t be completed until Sept. 15, when Dunn and Edwards’ contracts are allowed to be in the trade, Wojnarowski reported.

Boston was looking to slim down some roster spots considering it was at 16 contracts for only 15 slots. Dunn and Edwards needed more touches, and considering Boston’s deep guard rotation, they were unlikely to crack any consistent playing time.

Hernangomez won’t move the needle toward title contender by any means, but he’s a solid depth option and gives the Celtics more size at forward. He can space the floor, but he’ll look to up the shooting numbers as a career 35.1% 3-point shooter.

Hernangomez was the No. 15 overall pick in the 2016 NBA Draft by the Nuggets, where he spent the first 3.5 seasons of his career. He was traded to Minnesota in February, where he played 14 games for the Timberwolves, averaging 12.9 points per game. He had a falling out with Minnesota over whether he could play in the 2021 Olympics for Spain, per The Athletic, and was traded to Memphis in the Patrick Beverley trade in late-August.

Now Hernangomez gets to be a depth piece for the Celtics. Training camp opens Sept. 28 with the regular season tipping off Oct. 20.


Bob
MY NOTE:  

Edwards will make $1.7M, Dunn $5M.  Both are in their last year.
Hernangomez makes $6.17M this year and $6.6M next year that is not guaranteed, effectively making him an expiring contract too.  The net is Brad unloaded $6.7M in salary, only took back $6.2M and got down to 15 players without having to eat contracts or paying teams to take our contract(s). Well done, Brad, again.


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Makes sense from a contract and roster count standpoint.

Might be less talent overall, but from the #15 spot it makes no real difference.

No surprise here, and business as it should be done.

Our real weakness is in the power forward position. If the Celtics are going to focus on key areas to improve, the PF position is the position that needs attention.

112288

Hi,
He's definitely a 4. Hopefully he can play defense.
Also, if he can shoot as he did in '19-20 season - 42% of 3pt - great acquisition.

AK

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/breaking-down-juancho-hernangomez-trade-173526377.html



Breaking down how Juancho Hernangomez trade impacts Celtics' roster


Chris Forsberg
Fri, September 3, 2021, 10:35 AM



The Boston Celtics decluttered their roster, trimmed to 15 players, and added at a position of need on Friday by agreeing to send Carsen Edwards, Kris Dunn, and a 2026 second-round pick to the Memphis Grizzlies in exchange for 25-year-old power forward Juancho Hernangomez.

Boston pruned an overstocked guard position while adding a stretch 4 that gives them another option beyond Grant Williams and Jabari Parker as bench options at the power forward spot.

Dunn, acquired from Atlanta in the Tristan Thompson swap earlier this summer, became expendable after the Celtics sign Dennis Schroder. Edwards, the 33rd pick in the 2019 draft, shot 30.2 percent beyond the 3-point arc in 68 games over two seasons and never developed into a reliable scoring presence off the bench.

Hernangomez is set to earn $6.9 million this season and his $7.4 million salary for the 2022-23 season is non-guaranteed (trigger date is June 30, 2022).


The 6-foot-9 Hernangomez, the 15th pick in the 2016 draft, has shot 35.1 percent beyond the 3-point arc for his career though that dipped to 32.7 percent last year with the Timberwolves. He’s averaged 5.7 points and 3.5 rebounds over 16.4 minutes per game over five NBA seasons.

Hernangomez isn’t necessarily a better option than Williams or Parker but he’s more likely to play than either Edwards or Dunn. Hernangomez has started 57 of his 257 career games and, when healthy, has been a serviceable yet streaky player.

The non-guaranteed final season on his deal makes Hernangomez a possible trade asset in constructing deals as teams can easily shed his salary after the season. Vacation-loathing Brad Stevens still has assets to tinker with the roster but, after a busy summer, has balanced the roster if no other moves are made before the start of the 2021-22 season.

If nothing else, the Celtics fill the movie star void that has existed since Kyrie Irving’s departure. Hernangomez is set to co-star in an upcoming Adam Sandler basketball movie for Netflix.

Chris Forsberg
@ChrisForsberg_
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1h
Celtics also fill a huge void by adding the movie star they’ve been missing since Kyrie’s departure (Hernangomez is starring in an Adam Sandler Netflix movie)



Bob



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Player profile
Hernangómez's style of play has drawn comparisons to NBA players Víctor Claver and Jonas Jerebko.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juancho_Hernang%C3%B3mez

If he can play like Jonas, I will take that.

If you have players on the end of the bench that don't usually get any playing time, they may as well be tall.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hernaju01.html

His brother Willy played for NYK for a bit.  Willy is about one year older, a couple inches taller and 30 lbs. heavier than Juan.  I used to think Willy would be a nice player off the bench, but his total minutes played dropped off after his first season for some reason.

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2021/09/what-juancho-hernangomez-trade-means-for-celtics-future-options-next-season.html



What Juancho Hernangomez trade means for Celtics future options next season


Updated: 1:30 p.m. | Published: 1:30 p.m.



Minnesota Timberwolves forward Juancho Hernangomez (41) shoots over Portland Trail Blazers center Enes Kanter (11) and guard Rodney Hood, right, as Timberwolves center Karl-Anthony Towns (32) watches during the first half of an NBA basketball game Saturday, March 13, 2021, in Minneapolis. (AP Photo/Craig Lassig) AP



By Brian Robb | brobb@masslive.com



The Celtics agreed to their fourth trade of the offseason on Friday afternoon, landing 6-foot-9 forward Juancho Hernangomez from the Memphis Grizzlies in exchange for Kris Dunn and Carsen Edwards and a swap of 2026 second-round picks, according to a league source.

The deal can’t be completed until Sept. 15 when Dunn’s deal will be allowed to be aggregated via trade according to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski. However, that should give all parties plenty of time to report ahead of the start of training camps on September 28.


So why exactly did the Celtics look to bring aboard the 25-year-old forward in Hernangomez? And where does Boston’s roster stand in the wake of the deal? Let’s take a closer look at the fit and potential impact that the Hernangomez trade could have heading into the 2021-22 season and beyond.


The money

The Celtics are actually adding a little bit of payroll with this deal. Kris Dunn and Carsen Edwards were set to make a combined $6.7 million for next season while Hernangomez will be making $7 million, so that adds about $300,000 to the payroll for the current season.

Under contract for 2021-22

Jayson Tatum: $28.1 million

Al Horford: $27 million

Jaylen Brown: $26.8 million

Marcus Smart: $14.3 million


Josh Richardson: $11.6 million

Juancho Hernangomez: $7 million

Dennis Schroder: $5.9 million

Romeo Langford: $3.8 million

Rob Williams: $3.6 million

Aaron Nesmith: $3.6 million

Enes Kanter: $2.7 million

Grant Williams: $2.6 million


Jabari Parker: $2.3 million (non-guaranteed)

Payton Pritchard: $2.1 million

Bruno Fernando: $1.7 million

Total: $142.3 million estimated committed to 15 players including dead cap hits. Could drop by $2 million if Parker’s deal is cut

There is no financial impact for the Celtics beyond this upcoming season at the moment. Hernangomez is signed for through the 2022-23 season but his $7.5 million salary is not guaranteed until June 30, 2022. That will give Boston maximum flexibility in determining whether they want to keep him at that price before free agency begins. Given his spot on Boston’s depth chart, it will be an uphill battle for Hernangomez to prove he’s worth that money in a reserve role. However, it’s also possible that he could be a useful salary matching chip in a trade next offseason as an expiring contract.


The Depth Chart (16 players including two-way deals)

Guards: Smart, Schroder, Richardson, Pritchard, Langford

Wings/Forwards: Tatum, Brown, Nesmith, Hernangomez, G. Williams, Parker, Hauser (two-way)

Bigs: R. Williams, Horford, Kanter, Fernando


Analysis

The Celtics roster makes a lot more sense now from a construction standpoint with this deal completed. There was a clear need for size off the bench at power forward this summer that had not been addressed so far this offseason. The addition of Hernangomez at 6-foot-9 gives Ime Udoka a stretch shooter with legitimate size that can play power forward off the bench. He should compete for bench minutes at power forward against Grant Williams and Jabari Parker during training camp. Hernangomez is a 35 percent career shooter from 3-point range but is coming off a down season in Minnesota from deep (32 percent).  He is a strong defensive rebounder for his position who doesn’t turn the ball over much but is certainly not known for his defense. However, his high-volume shooting from 3 will give Celtics another stretch option as a big along with Al Horford and helps round out the depth chart nicely for the time being.


The other thing this trade does for Boston is clear out what was a very crowded depth chart in the backcourt. MassLive reported last month that the team was in the market for a Kris Dunn trade after acquiring him from the Hawks, largely because there was no path to playing time for him with a heap of defensive-minded guards (Marcus Smart, Josh Richardson, Dennis Schroder) ahead of him on the roster along with some developing youth (Payton Pritchard, Romeo Langford).

The Celtics were able to reallocate Dunn’s salary ($5 million) to a bigger area of need on the roster (reserve power forward) while also trimming down the roster logjam to 15 by moving a guy in Carsen Edwards who also was no longer part of the team’s plans. Edwards may have a tough path to making an NBA roster now with his future in Memphis looking doubtful (they have 18 guaranteed contracts after this deal).


Final Thoughts

All in all, it’s not a flashy trade but Brad Stevens and Boston’s front office did well here in adding another piece to a roster that makes sense with limited trade capital. The team gets a look at Hernangomez for a season with the option to keep him for longer if they like what they see. Otherwise, his expiring contract could come in handy for other potential deals. Either way, Boston’s depth chart just got a lot more balanced ahead of training camp.



Bob



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https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisgrenham/2021/09/03/what-does-juancho-hernangomez-bring-to-the-boston-celtics/?sh=696368ea5b7c



What Does Juancho Hernangomez Bring To The Boston Celtics?



Chris Grenham
Contributor



The Celtics’ busy offseason continued Friday, as Boston reportedly traded Kris Dunn, Carsen Edwards and a 2026 second-round pick swap to the Memphis Grizzlies for 6-foot-9 forward Juancho Hernangomez, according to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski.

Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
Memphis has agreed to trade forward Juancho Hernangomez to Boston for guards Kris Dunn, Carsen Edwards and a 2026 second-round pick swap, sources tell ESPN.
8:55 AM · Sep 3, 2021

Dunn was recently acquired alongside Bruno Fernando in a three-team deal that sent Tristan Thompson from Boston to Sacramento. Despite his durability issues, the Dunn’s defensive versatility potentially served as a nice addition to Ime Udoka’s roster. The crowded backcourt, however, likely would have made minutes hard to come by for Dunn as well as Edwards, who has not panned into the player Boston envisioned when it drafted him in 2019. The Purdue product played 68 games over his two seasons in Boston, averaging 3.6 points on just 30.2% shooting from deep.


This move helps the Celtics’ roster crunch with less than one month until training camp, bringing their player total down to 15. Slimming down the backcourt depth chart was inevitable, but adding Hernangomez to the frontcourt while doing so is a quality transaction by Stevens. There wasn’t much playing time for Dunn and Edwards, however, Hernangomez should be a useful depth piece for Boston this season.

After getting drafted 15th overall by the Nuggets in the 2016, Hernangomez played three full seasons in Denver before getting traded to the Minnesota Timberwolves during the 2020 campaign. In late August, he was traded alongside Jarrett Culver to Memphis in exchange for Patrick Beverley — now, less than 10 days later, he is on his way to Boston.


Hernangomez is set to make roughly $7 million this season and has a non-guaranteed $7.4 million lined up in 2022-23. That non-guarantee next year allows Boston to keep some flexibility moving forward, something the front office has mentioned quite a bit so far this summer. He had a tough shooting season in 2020-21, posting a 32.7% clip from 3 over 52 games. If he can up his career 3-point rate of 35.1%, he could make a push for some regular minutes on Boston’s roster. Regardless, Hernangomez can space the floor, which is a valuable thing to have coming off the bench.

All-in-all, this is a good deal for Boston. Personally, I’m disappointed that Dunn was moved because of his defensive prowess, but that is just my inability to remove bias as a Providence College alum. The Celtics freed up space in a crowded area of their roster, while simultaneously adding a stretch big with a non-guarantee next year to the roster. Instead of simply dumping salary, Stevens was able to get some value in return, which Boston fans should be happy with. Training camp begins on September 28, and the roster looks more concrete than it did yesterday.


Bob


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As a BU 4 he should be ok.  He has a 7 foot wingspan.

CE was not going to get a lot of minutes and this was just a stop over for KD.

Brad accomplished a 2 for 1 deal and included a 2nd rounder to get it done.

Looks like Parker may be on the roster and maybe he will play better in year 2. 

Does this finish the tweaking?

If the Celtics play like contenders, Brad may pull the trigger on using one of the TPE's.

Aside from the obvious pragmatics of this deal for the Cs, I have a good feeling about this. I don't pay a lot of attention of opposing players other than their leaders, and I can't say I really know much about this guy. But I have noticed when he entered a game he seemed to make things happen. I like it when bench players make things happen.

I got a bit confused when seeing this last move. I thought we got Willy who played for the Knicks. Everytime he played against us he was a pain in the neck. (like how I cleaned that up??)
So, this is the guy who played in the Olympics for Spain and, at times, was good for them?

All I know is we finally got rid of Dunn and Edwards. Two players who were not going to add much to the team. I will hold back getting too excited until the final lineup is set. Brad has been a very busy gy=uy

Danny only swung the bat when he thought he could hit a home run.  Brad is spraying singles to every field and is advancing salary flexibility runners around the bases.

How's that for a tortured mixed sports metaphor?

And we were worried if Brad could step up to the head office? He's had a busy and, in my opinion, successful 3 months.



Bob


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I do wonder if he had to give them the Krispy Kreme's too, and what flavor, or just plain ????
The way Brad is making deals, my guess is he did not give them honey dipped

He reminds me of Theis with his shooting motion on 3s.





Bob


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RosalieTCeltics wrote:I got a bit confused when seeing this last move. I thought we got Willy who played for the Knicks. Everytime he played against us he was a pain in the neck. (like how I cleaned that up??)  
So, this is the guy who played in the Olympics for Spain and, at times, was good for them?

All I know is we finally got rid of Dunn and Edwards.  Two players who were not going to add much to the team.  I will hold back getting too excited until the final lineup is set.  Brad has been a very busy gy=uy

Right, there's two. Now I wonder which one impressed me. Oh well, still seems like a good deal.

I've been very impressed with Brad Srevens reign as team president so far. Every move seems to be well thought out in two directions: one - Cap space and two - filling a need in the roster. Seems to me to be a very wise way of building a TEAM, rather than a group of individuals. Me likee!

Berlin-T

RosalieTCeltics wrote:I got a bit confused when seeing this last move. I thought we got Willy who played for the Knicks. Everytime he played against us he was a pain in the neck. (like how I cleaned that up??)  
So, this is the guy who played in the Olympics for Spain and, at times, was good for them?

All I know is we finally got rid of Dunn and Edwards.  Two players who were not going to add much to the team.  I will hold back getting too excited until the final lineup is set.  Brad has been a very busy gy=uy

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who was confused. I didn't even know that Willie had a brother in the NBA.Like Rosalie, I remember Guiiermo having some good games against the Cs.

Yes, Bob, Brad is hitting a lot of singles and consistently getting on base, unlike swing-for-the-fences Danny. Brad reminds me of Pete Runnels who won the batting crown as a Bosox in 1960 with a .320 batting average and in 1962 with a .326 BA. Not splashy but dependable.

Frankly, Brad has really impressed me with his tea-building acumen. Kudos, GM Stevens.

So long Carsen, hope you find a team that has some minutes for you, keep shooting, and maybe, just maybe you will hit a home run at some point. Thanks for that summer league show you put on two years ago, we really thought we might have our bench gunslinger. Keep your chin up, we will be rooting for you wherever you land

Nice video bob, he can run, moves well, has good hands and has actually avg 12 ppg once, numbers until proven otherwise I don’t see GWill ever doing. He definitely has enough European like game to carve out a role as a back up 4. I think he can help us some.

cowens/oldschool wrote:Nice video bob, he can run, moves well, has good hands and has actually avg 12 ppg once, numbers until proven otherwise I don’t see GWill ever doing. He definitely has enough European like game to carve out a role as a back up 4. I think he can help us some.

Cow,

I don't remember watching him play but the video, and everything I've read about him, makes him sound like a typical Euro.  Pretty smooth on offense, runs well, not that physical on defense.  Well, if he wants to get on the floor with the Celtics he better find some defensive religion for Ime.

6'8", 215#, 6'11" - 7' wingspan.  He has the length to play 4, I question if he has the weight and muscle.

As far as being a "Jonas Jerebko-like" player his defensive ratings aren't as good as Jonas'.  His last season in Minny his defensive rating ballooned up to 117/100 possessions, but for the years before that it was a much more acceptable 112-113 (110 in his best year).  Jerebko's defensive ratings for the 3 years he was with us were 103, 104, 109.  HOWEVER, it ballooned up to 111 the next year after he left us to go to GSW.  That ties his career worst, which was his rookie season in Detroit.  So, I think we need to wait and see if Juancho the Gaucho will improve his defense here.  Jerebko's best years, defensively, were the ones he was in Boston, and Ime is a taller, darker version of Brad when it comes to defense.  I agree with GYSO 100%, I'd be positively ecstatic if JH became another Jonas Jerebko.  Jonas was a solid, reliable contributor on a top 5 defensive team.


Here's an article that talks about JH in Minny.  It is dated 2/5/20, so just before the trade deadline last year.  He got traded from Denver to Minny in 2019-2020.  He played 14 games, starting all 14, in 2019-2020 and played 52 games for them last year's 72 game season but only started in 6.  He averaged 29.4mpg in 2019 but only 17.9mpg in 2020.  That's going from starter minutes to rotation player minutes.  They played their rookie, Jaden McDaniels, 24mpg last year and he plays the same position as Hernangomez.

He sure doesn't look like a 6'9", 215# stringbean in the pic...


https://www.nba.com/timberwolves/news/heres-what-you-need-know-about-new-timberwolves-forward-juan-hernangomez






HERE'S WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT NEW TIMBERWOLVES FORWARD JUAN HERNANGOMEZ


by Katie Davidson Digital Content Associate
Posted: Feb 05, 2020

3 min



To say the Timberwolves were busy as the trade deadline approached would be quite the understatement.

On Wednesday, the Wolves announced their engagement in a four-team, 12-player trade with the Houston Rockets, Denver Nuggets and Atlanta Hawks. The trade sent Robert Covington and Jordan Bell to Houston, Shabazz Napier, Noah Vonleh and Keita Bates-Diop to Denver while bringing former Nuggets Malik Beasley, Juan Hernangomez and Jarred Vanderbilt to Minnesota. The Wolves also received Brooklyn’s 2020 first-round pick and Evan Turner with both assets coming from Atlanta.

Kyle Ratke took a look at what the addition of Beasley could mean for the Wolves, and we’ll take a look at Hernangomez’s fit here.

First, the basics. Hernangomez, a power forward originally from Madrid who’s also known as Juancho, spent the first three and a half seasons of his career in Denver where he averaged 4.7 points and 3.1 rebounds per game as a backup frontcourt player who earned just over 15 minutes per game.

So, what does that mean about his fit with the Wolves? Let’s dive a little deeper.


Two-Way Contributor

Before the 2016 draft, Hernangomez was advertised as a spot-up 3-point shooter who made regular basket cuts and could serve as a competent rim protector. Though he averaged less than two 3-point attempts in his rookie season, he shot 40.7 percent from deep. He has yet to eclipse that mark since his debut season but entering into a system in which 3-point shooting is a main pillar may allow Hernangomez to bump up both his 3-point attempts and accuracy.

Defensively, Hernangomez is considered a combo forward who can guard multiple positions. Although his overall defensive skills don’t stack up to those of seasoned, All-Defensive Covington, he should be better-suited to defend power forwards than Covington was.

Hernangomez should also able to help Karl-Anthony Towns on the boards and by creating space offensively.


Untapped Potential

The 2016 first-round draft pick (No. 15) is coming off the best season of his young career in which he averaged 5.8 points and 3.8 rebounds per game and earned 25 of his 37 career starts for a 54-win Nuggets team that finished second in the Western Conference standings.


As a starter, Hernangomez averaged 10.7 points on 45.5 percent shooting from the field and 38.5 percent shooting from beyond the arc, 6.2 rebounds and 1.2 assists per game. Those numbers dropped to 3.3 points (on 40.2 percent shooting from the field and 32.5 percent shooting from 3-point range), 2.4 rebounds and 0.5 assists when he came off the bench.

Despite his contributions, Denver never allotted Hernangomez 30 or more minutes in 21 of his 191 career games. His statistics in those games may make you question why he didn’t hit the 30-minute mark more often in Denver.

In the 19 games Henangomez received 30-39 minutes of playing time, he averaged 12.5 points per game and shot 47.1% from the field and 39.1% (36 makes of his 92 attempts) from beyond the arc. He also averaged. 6.8 rebounds and 1.4 assists. Those numbers improved in the two games the forward reached the 40-minute mark. In those games, he averaged 22.0 points and 10.0 rebounds while shooting 48.3% overall and 52.9% from deep.

Twenty-one games is a small sample size, but the way he produced when given a larger role, which will most likely be the case in Minnesota, has to excite the Wolves.


Locker Room Favorite

Up to this point, Hernangomez has spent the entirety of his career with one team. While with that one team, he became a favorite among his teammates.

As reported by The Athletic, Hernangomez built a strong bond with many of his teammates, especially All-Star center Nikola Jokic and his fellow members of the 2016 draft class, Beasley and Jamal Murray.

Forbes’ Joel Rush also described Hernangomez and Beasley as being “among the most crowd-energizing fan favorite players.”

You can never add too many good locker room guys to your roster, and Beasley and Hernangomez’s strong bond may ease their adjustment to Minnesota.


Bob
MY NOTE:  One of the things I like most about this trade, aside from getting us down to 15 players and doing it by eliminating ridiculous redunancy at guard and bidding farewell the the Krispy Kreme Kid, is that Brad also got a player that fills a specific roster need, PF.  It wasn't just a trade to reduce salary, unload contracts and increase salary flexibility, which is what the theme of this offseason has been about, he managed to add a 5 year veteran player that gives the roster what it needs from a position depth perspective.  Brad is swinging at singles, but they're all dropping in for base hits and are moving the runners around.


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Does this make Bruno expendable? I know most feel it makes Parker on the edge of no man's land, but I wonder. Bruno was told that things were "in flux" so things could happen. I just wonder, I will not get too attached to anyone just yet except our 3 stars, PP, and maybe Nesmith. Even Romeo is hanging out there. This team is in "rebuild" whether we want to admit it or not. Other than the ones mentioned above, nothing is guaranteed. Even Nesmith could be moved for the right player (s)