Sources: Clips walk away from deal

gyso wrote:Yay!!

Once Bledsoe was off the table and then no salary relief with them taking Terry or Lee, it was a poor trade.

What's up, Doc?  I hope you like broadcasting for the next 2-3 years.

gyso



gyso,

I agree with you about the trade.  The Clips wanted Doc and KG for Jordan and 1 first round pick.  They didn't want to give a second 1st rounder nor did they want to take either Terry or Lee.  The deal should have been walked away from.

As far as Doc going into broadcasting, I'm not so sure.  

1.  He has not said anything bad about the Celtics organization or any of the players.  So, he hasn't burned any bridges with anybody who matters.  To be completely blunt, we don't matter.  If the team goes out and plays hard, whatever hard feelings the Gahden crowd might harbor will evaporate.

2.  If he leaves, then KG quits, and we get nothing in exchange for either of them.  No players, no draft picks, no production.  I don't know how retired players' who retire while they still have some contract left salaries fit into the salary cap, but I bet they don't get 100% relief.  You'd know this better than me, of course, but it seems to me that if it did, then every team would sign older players (but under 36) for whatever and have a gentleman's agreement that they will retire if they can't cut it anymore and let the team get full relief of their remaining contract.  That'd be a hole in the CBA big enough for Trader Danny to drive a semi through (as you know, they changed the CBA with the "Gary Payton Rule" because Danny was, shall we say, exceptionally creative.  When they look for loopholes to close, they have one eye on our Danny Boy when they do it).  What I do know, though, is that if we take KG's $12M completely off, we're still over the $57M cap.  So, who could we replace him with?  Unfortunately, Doc's salary doesn't count against the cap, so him saying bye bye doesn't help that.  If we buy out Pierce, that's still $5M that I bet still applies to the cap.  

3.  The only downside to this is that free agents who want to come here for 3+ years have to wonder if Doc will still be here through their tenure.  If that issue can be presented well to the agents, and the top players tend to group around a handful of agents, then we might minimize that impact.

Besides, coaches get fired constantly.  If Doc had left the Celtics the coaches with the longest tenure with the same team would be Pop, who is an anomaly like Jerry Sloan was, and Eric freaking Spoelstra.  Any player who goes to a team on a 3-4 year contract and assumes the same coach will be there the whole time is daft.


bob


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Coon, Larry (2012); \"NBA Salary Cap/Collective Bargaining Agreement FAQ" wrote:61. What are the rules for retired players? What if the player suffers a career-ending injury?
There's nothing binding about a player announcing his retirement. The player can still sign a new contract and continue playing (if he's not under contract), or return to his team (if he is still under contract) and resume his career.

The only exception to this is when a player is still under contract, wants to quit, and his team doesn't want to let him out of his contract. Under these circumstances the player can file for retirement with the league. The player is placed on the league's Voluntarily Retired list (see question number 77), forgoes his remaining salary, and cannot return to the league for one year. The latter requirement prevents players from using retirement as an underhanded way to change teams, and can be overridden with unanimous approval from all 30 teams. For example, guard Jason Williams signed with the LA Clippers in August 2008, then changed his mind the following month, announcing his retirement. He applied for reinstatement in early 2009, but his request was denied by a vote of 24-6. Williams later signed with the Orlando Magic once the one-year anniversary of his retirement announcement had passed.

PV Mike wrote:
Tommy Heinsohn just blamed the referees for the trade falling apart.