Knicks and Nets: The NBA's Saddest Little Battle

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Post by bobheckler Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:09 pm

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/12/5/5174172/knicks-vs-nets-disaster-embarrassment-hook


New York's disaster league: Knicks, Nets wage saddest little battle in the NBA
By Tom Ziller  @teamziller on Dec 5 2013, 10:15a 4




Which team is more disgusting? Which team has a better excuse? Which team has a clearer path out of the morass? Let's dig into the Toilet Bowl, starring the Knicks and Nets.


The New York Knicks and Brooklyn Nets, who both fancied themselves title contenders just a month ago, face off on national TV Thursday in what Zach Lowe has dubbed the "Toilet Bowl." The Knicks are 3-13, a game ahead of the Bucks at the bottom of the league standings. Right above them in the East sit the Nets at 5-13. The teams are at the bottom of a calamitous Atlantic Division led by the 8-12 Celtics. The Atlantic is a total dumpster fire and the Knicks and Nets are competitive in the division.



How did we get here? Is there any hope life will spring from this morass? Who has it worse? Let's dig in.

WHY ARE YOU SO BAD?

Knicks: New York's formula for disaster is an unholy mix of injury (J.R. Smith, Tyson Chandler and Ray Felton have missed time), regression (especially on three-point shooting), dicey coaching and seriously bad shooting. Chandler is the only plus defender plotted as a starter for the team -- Iman Shumpert's defense has been overrated, I'm afraid -- and he's been out since early November. Meanwhile, the offense has struggled as few Knicks can hit shots right now. Smith is shooting frequently, but can't hit anything (his brother, to your great surprise, has not contributed). Shumpert is completely lost as the team tries hard to trade him while the Knicks front office is telling other teams that Knicks coach Mike Woodson is misusing Shump, so he'll be better on a new club. Finally, Carmelo Anthony just isn't producing as well as he did last season through no apparent fault of his own.

Nets: For Brooklyn, this is a case of injuries galore, a complete lack of on-court chemistry among players and real strife on coaches' row. Jason Kidd has been under fire from Day 1; on the bench, he less resembles an NBA head coach than a sculpture. On Tuesday he basically fired top assistant Lawrence Frank -- the highest-paid assistant in the league, and one with a six-year contract -- over differences of philosophies. One month into the season. Kidd and company have taken heat for the apparent lack of a coherent plan the Nets seem to exhibit on the court. The chemistry between Deron Williams, Joe Johnson and Brook Lopez and newcomers Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett hasn't been bad. It just hasn't existed at all. There seems to be no rhyme or reason to the club on any given possession. Of course, it hasn't helped that Williams and Lopez have been battling injuries, Andrei Kirilenko has been basically absent and that Pierce is now out for a while. Garnett, meanwhile, might have finally gotten old. Finally.

YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY BE THIS BAD, RIGHT?

Knicks: Chandler returning and Smith shooting even 40 percent from the field should get New York some wins. I wrote a blueprint for the Knicks' in-season rise last week. Keep in mind that the Knicks are now 0-7 against the West and 3-6 against the East. Only 23 more games against the West remain; they have 43 more games against the largely-abysmal East.

Nets: There's no way the Nets will be a .278 team this season unless Williams or Lopez miss a huge stretch. The team led by those two and J.J. had 49 wins last season and the league's No. 8 offense. Lopez is one of the most -- maybe the most -- effective offensive center in the NBA. The defense looks like a permanent problem, but there's so much firepower and so many games against the East to come that the wins will definitely pile up. At some point. I think.

WHO IS WORSE?

The Knicks have the worse record, but the Nets are getting outscored by 7.5 points per game and have more injury issues at this point. Brooklyn is in worse shape at this point, at least until Williams returns to action.

WHAT IS YOUR SPIRIT GIF?

Knicks:

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In this GIF, Andrea Bargnani prevents Kawhi Leonard from getting a clean shot off against the invisible magic basket five feet to the right of the actual mundane basket.

Nets:

Knicks and Nets:  The NBA's Saddest Little Battle Kiddwhoops


Jason Kidd fails to cover up his plot to earn an extra timeout by spilling a drink on the court, gets fined $50,000 and still loses. Both the apex and nadir of the Nets season to date.

ARE YOU GOING TO WIN A TITLE?

No. No no no.

IS THERE A RECOVERY PLAN IF THIS CONTINUES TO GO POORLY?

Knicks: New York needs to convince Carmelo to re-sign in the offseason. That's not going so well. It remains to be seen whether, if the team remains awful for two more months, the Knicks will consider trading Anthony to the highest bidder. The Mavericks, for instance, might put together a neat little package of cap relief and prospects or draft picks. If not, and if 'Melo re-signs, it'll take some front office magic to put a team around him given the awful contracts (Amare Stoudemire, Andrea Bargnani) remaining on the books. The Knicks have also traded about half of their upcoming picks.

Nets: Brooklyn projects to have $40 million in cap space in ... uh, 2016. Lopez, Williams and Johnson alone make $62 million in 2015-16. The Nets have also traded or agreed to swap most of their upcoming picks.

WHO WILL WIN THURSDAY NIGHT?

People who love to watch things burn.




bob
MY NOTE:  I love Paul Pierce (and, of course, KG) but there's a certain amount of karmic retribution (and maybe a bit of schadenfreude too) here for these two teams who were doing an awful lot of woofing pre-season.  Pierce is now out, JR Smith (who was woofing back at Pierce) is damaged goods.  Give me what we're seeing in Boston any day.   Just a bunch of hard working, blue collar players who want to earn peoples' respect, don't point fingers at each other when they lose and, for the most part, shut up and ball and just let the chips fall where they fall.  NYK were feared the last few years because of the pact they made with the Devil that made them so efficient from 3.  By trading away Novak, they gave away one of the most lethal 3pt shooters in the league.  They also gave up a pick and Camby for that trade.  The Nets, as we know, gave up their future for the present. Burn, Babies, burn.


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Post by Outside Thu Dec 05, 2013 2:03 pm

J.R. Smith is a soul sucker. Besides being a knucklehead, his shot selection is awful, and he considers the offense to be a delivery mechanism for his one-on-five specialness. Felton and Shumpert have regressed, Stoudemire has disintegrated worse than KG, and Carmelo has given in to his worst hero-ball tendencies. The chemistry of this team is horrific.

Despite that abysmal assessment, given the Nets atrocious lack of quickness, matched only by their atrocious lack of defensive acumen, combined with KG's apparent semi-demise and an overmatched neophyte on the bench, I'm more pessimistic about the Nets prospects. The Knicks at least have Tyson Chandler coming back to make them credible defensively and add a sane presence on the floor, plus they have an experienced coach who can do something about their issues (assuming they don't fire him). The Nets have a coach completely unsuited to this situation, and that defense -- oh, the humanity.
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