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Post by bobheckler Tue May 06, 2014 9:25 am

Olynyk's less Nowitzki, more Gasol
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Before the season started, Kelly Olynyk's skill set reminded us a lot of Dirk Nowitzki: the size, the outside shot, and the flowing locks. But after a year in the NBA, it's possible a more accurate comparison is to another successful Euro, Marc Gasol.


When your team isn't in the playoffs, you start daydreaming a little.  You see players in the post season with similar skills and you think to yourself, "my guy can do that and when he does it next year, we'll be contending for a championship, too."  When Ainge traded up with Dallas to grab Olynyk at #13 on draft night, it was a Maverick that reminded us of Kelly's potential: Dirk Nowitzki.  They are seven footers not necessarily blessed with tons of athletic ability, but gifted with natural talent and an all-around game.

Olynyk just turned 23 two weeks ago and still has plenty of time to fulfill his potential as Dirk 2.0, but after a year of seeing him in the NBA, he might be more suited in patterning his development after another European star: Marc Gasol.  At first blush, it may not be the most obvious of comparisons.  Gasol was named Defensive Player of the Year in 2013 and this season, Olynyk often got lost in rotations.  Gasol is a goateed bruiser.  Olynyk plays with flowing locks and finesse.

However, I think Olynyk could learn a lot from Gasol's game.  One of my favorite first round series this year was the seven-game war between the Thunder and Grizzlies.  It pitted polar opposites against each other with OKC's scoring wings battling Celtics' alumni Tony Allen and Courtney Lee on the outside and Marc Gasol and ZBo going head-to-head against Serge Ibaka and Kendrick Perkins. The Thunder ended up pulling it out after Memphis' advantage in the paint was neutralized by Randolph's Game 7 suspension.

It was hard not to think of the budding tandem of Olynyk-Sullinger while watching Gasol and Randolph work.  In the 541 minutes shared by Olynyk and Sullinger, the Celtics were on average a +5.7 in points and a +2.5 in rebounding (offensive and defensive).  For the sake of comparison, Gasol and Randolph were on the floor together three times as much and finished +6.8 and +1.3 respectively.

Not to diminish what Sullinger and Randolph bring to the table, but one of the key reactive ingredients to the front court chemistry is a big man that can operate in the high post.

So, the Grizzlies utilize a very popular NBA set called Horns where the two bigs start at the top of the key to free up space near the rim.  Against OKC, it's neutralized Iblocka and forced Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant to expend energy on the defensive end chasing wing players in and out of the paint.  Check out our SBNation neighbors over at Grizzly Bear Blues with a more in-depth look at how Horns generates offense for Memphis.


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Let's check out Kelly Olynyk passing from similar areas on the floor.  Ironically, Olynyk's most prolific assist game came against Marc's older brother, Pau.  He racked up seven assists that night with four coming from the high post and perimeter:

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And now we all miss Gerald Wallace, right?  He's not Rondo, but Olynyk has an adept touch.  He can throw the feathery lob over a fronting defender or a bullet bounce pass to a back door cutter.  I guess once a point guard, always a point guard.  This could be Olynyk's next evolution in Stevens' offense.  Olynyk's not great at one thing, but he's pretty skilled in everything.

Olynyk shot 21/49 from above the free throw line this season (Gasol hit 49 out of 144 for a 34% clip).  It's a small sample size and not exactly Brandon Bass-esque, but an above average percentage for a big man.  What's more important is Olynyk's late season confidence in driving to the cup.  Earlier in the year, he seemed timid to venture in the paint, but in the final three games of the year, he posted 25, 28, and 24 points thanks in large part to an aggressiveness to drive.  Even though Gasol is not much of a penetrator, the more versatile Kelly's game gets, the more of a triple threat he becomes.  Enjoy the beautiful awkwardness:

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Heading into the summer, Brad Stevens' challenged his players and asked, "are you going to get better in your role, or are you going to expand your role? What I mean by that is: are you going to get better at what you do well, or are you going to get better at some other things that make you, that give you the chance to instead of be the eighth guy be the fifth guy, instead of be the fifth guy be the third guy."  By the end of the season, Olynyk had moved from second big off the bench to starting 5.  That was mainly due to injuries to Sullinger and Humphries, but Kelly flourished with more minutes.  There are a number of paths that Ainge could take in reshaping the roster and it's easy to overlook Olynyk.  He had a rocky rookie November that got furthered derailed by an ankle sprain, got back on track in the winter, and heated up in the spring.

I'd love for Olynyk to come back a little leaner next season, but his off-season workouts should focus on getting him a little meaner, too.  It took KO eighty-two games to get used to the speed and strength of the NBA, but you could tell that as soon as he felt comfortable, his confidence skyrocketed.  The secondary pass is great and he's absolutely capable of getting a good look for a teammate, but he needs to carry over the success he found in those final three games of 2014 into next year.  He won't be averaging 19 shots a game, but if he aggressively looks for his offense, defenses will take him more seriously and that'll open up the rest of the floor.




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MY NOTE:  Hmmm.  I must confess I never thought of this comparison.  Maybe that's because Gasol is 265# and Kelly is closer to 238#.  I don't want Kelly to come back leaner, though, I want him to add 10# of muscle.  Let's get Kelly's weight up to a manageable 245-250# and then it will be more obvious because Kelly will be able to play inside like Gasol.

For those who wish to learn 'Horns', the play used by Memphis (and many other teams), there is an educational video in the 'Ongoing Threads and More' page.  You can find that by going to the Home page.  There is also an educational video on another common offensive play called 'Floppy' on that page too.




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Post by NYCelt Tue May 06, 2014 10:21 am

If he turns out as productive as either, we got a good deal with that late of a pick and trade in that particular draft.
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Post by kdp59 Tue May 06, 2014 11:58 am

sorry..I don't see it at all.

seems like wishful thinking to me, plus KO's game is nothing like M. Gasol.

a seven footer with short arms and no lift at all.......plays like he's 6-8 in the NBA.

not his fault, it is what it is. he;s closer to Troy Murphy than either Gasol's or Dirk to me.

and before anyone goes all crazy on me, remember that Murphy in his prime was a 15 pt/g, 10 rb/g, 2 as/G player.

near 40% 3 pt shooter and near 80% FT guy.

feet never left the floot either, like KO.


if we get lucky KO might be some combo between Murphy and Dirk..I think we can all live with that too.

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Post by Outside Tue May 06, 2014 12:16 pm

The Gasol-Olynyk connection is tenuous, at best. To me, it doesn't apply because a) Gasol is a center and b) Olynyk isn't.

I think kdp's comparison to Troy Murphy makes more sense than a comparison to Gasol. Olynyk is a fine passer, but to equate him to Gasol is a stretch considering that the Grizzlies run much of their offense through Gasol, while Olynyk's assists are opportunistic more than by design. Hopefully it takes more than both players being good passers to say that Olynyk should pattern his game after Gasol.
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Post by k_j_88 Tue May 06, 2014 12:36 pm

What about Pau? Marc Gasol is a legit center and very physical. Kelly is still getting bounced around like a tennis ball (although he is willing to scrap it up in the post).



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Post by Outside Tue May 06, 2014 12:53 pm

KJ,

Regarding Pau, I still don't see it. Pau is really long, and prior to being horribly misused by D'Antoni the past two years, he was one of the best in the game in the post, using his length effectively with an array of moves and shots with either hand.

Regarding Marc Gasol, I don't consider him "very physical." He plays more of a finesse game than a power one. Although I'm sure it's happened, I can't remember seeing him dunk over anyone, and he doesn't establish himself in the low post and root out the defender to make power moves to the basket like Randolph does. Marc is best at the high post, utilizes his mid-range shot to great effect, and when he does drive to the basket, finds a crease to avoid the defense and flip the ball up. When he establishes himself in the post, he has very quick hands and uses that attribute rather than physical play to get shots off. I just don't see his game as a power game.

Marc has more bulk and a lower center of gravity compared to Pau, which makes him a better defender against bulky, strong post players, but I don't think of either of them as being physical or power players. One of the problems is that "finesse" has gotten a negative connotation, as if a finesse player is afraid or unwilling to engage in physical play, but that's unfair. Both Pau and Mark are finesse players, and both are very, very good (D'Antoni's devaluation of Pau notwithstanding).
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Post by bobheckler Tue May 06, 2014 1:08 pm

I can live with Kelly ending up like Troy Murphy and I certainly could live with Pau Gasol.  kdp is right. In his prime, which we did not see in Boston but I did see out here in the SF bay area, Troy Murphy was a double-double machine /36 minutes for his first 10 years.  He shot 39% from 3 for his career, Kelly shot 35% this year with a less than stellar start diluting his numbers.  Murphy grabbed 10.3rebs/36, Kelly 9.4.  Murphy a career 79% ft shooter, Kelly 81%.  

Pau, in all likelihood, is going into the HOF.  Once you accept that, then the idea of Kelly being like Pau Gasol should give you shivers.  Pau has been and is still one of the best high-post passing big men in the league.  The videos in the original post show Kelly hitting Wallace and Green and others from the high post and Kelly is already far, far better than Murphy at that (Murphy was a bit of a black hole).  Will he be as good as Pau?  That will be hard to judge since Pau played in the triangle, which empowers passing centers by running the ball through them and waiting for the defense to collapse on them for the pass out to the other two legs of the triangle, for years.  Nevertheless, Pau has averaged 3.3 assists and 2.7 TOs /36 minutes, while Kelly averaged 2.8 assists and 2.7 TOs /36mpg.  So Pau has the edge so far, HOWEVER, in Pau's rookie NBA season (at age 21, having played 3 years of pro ball in Europe for Barcelona) he averaged 2.7 assists and 2.7 TOs /36mpg in Memphis.  So maybe Kelly's not so far off as it might appear.  As I said, though, just the thought of Kelly being a poor man's Pau Gasol (who, btw, was a #3 pick) should give you shivers.

Murphy was the #14 pick in 1998, Kelly was #13 in 2013 so their rankings within their draft class is comparable.  I think Kelly's passing, mobility and team ball will elevate him above Murphy.  And that's pretty good by itself.



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Post by Sam Tue May 06, 2014 6:34 pm

I'm not one for using comparisons with other players in describing a basketball player. And certainly not a comparison of Kelly with Marc Gasol. And I was also turned off by the statement about the wisdom of Kelly losing weight. Maybe the author was describing weight from fat. But I think we've all seen enough of Kelly Olynyk to be intrigued by the identity Kelly will ultimate carve out for himself.

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