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Re: Draft Workout Thread
by tjmakz Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:38 pm
arambone wrote:tjmakz wrote:arambone wrote:You're not worried about Simmons' defense in the same way you're not worried about Russell, Randle, and Clarkson's defense.
And your Jim Buss Lakers passed on Porzingis and Myles Turner last year because of Randle, but you want to double down and not draft a PF again this year because you already have Randle.
What you don't realize is that the only way Randle will play on a winning team is as a back up, in the Brandon Bass mold.
You think Scott was the whole problem with your defense last year, and you think adding Ben Simmons' defense at SF to go with Clarkson's defense at PG, Russell's defense at SG, and Randle's defense at PF is somehow a good idea.
You don't value defense, just like draft express and a lot of the other mock draft "experts".
Obviously Jim Buss doesn't either.
Why would I worry about Simmons defense?
He has unbelievable skills that are rarely seen.
Yes, the Lakers passed up on Porzingis who is not a good defensive player for being 7'3".
The Lakers really liked Porzingis game.
Due to the guard/wing oriented league that is successful now, the Lakers chose the best play making guard in the draft in Russell.
How do you state as a fact that Randle will be a back up on a winning team?
You value defense and you want a 7'1" 209 pound guy who can't guard 3's, 4's or 5's?
It's hard for us to analyze defense.
You generally won't find videos on youtube or ESPN of players in the draft playing defense.
Teams have scouts who watch and go to college and International games.
They almost unanimously are ranking Simmons #1 and Maker late in the 1st round.
So, are you saying the NBA teams scouts and management are all wrong and you are right?
"Why would I worry about Simmons defense?"
Exactly my point. Why would you?
This is like worrying about Shaq's 3 point shooting...
There are so many positives to Simmons game.
He has gifts that are rarely seen in the NBA.
I have no evidence he is or will be a poor defensive player.
I should let it go.
I am sure you know more than NBA scouts and executives...
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Re: Draft Workout Thread
by arambone Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:40 pm
http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/sidebar/misc-060916-Draft-Workout-Maker-Looks-Take-Unconventional-Route-NBA
“Maker played really well, he played very hard… loved his intensity today,” said Ainge.
Austin’s father, president of basketball operations Danny Ainge, also appears to be intrigued by Maker – at least judging by the young prospect’s comments.
“Mr. Ainge is very active,” said Maker. “Last night I was getting shots up, he was there on the floor and he was very excited. He’s just so into basketball. I love it. It was kind of motivating also.”
Maker prides himself on the defensive end where he’s capable of playing the 3, 4 and 5. He played mostly the 5 in high school, so at the moment he says he’s trying to improve his quickness so he can move out and defend the perimeter when needed.
He feels that his defense has set him apart from the rest of the competition during the workouts that he’s attended.
“I think I might be ahead defensively because I take pride in getting stops,” said Maker. “And then offense is catching up pretty fast because I’m getting a lot of reps in in these workouts. You’re getting a chance to show both, so by me having a chance to show offense at the same time is helping me get better. And I’m not worried about not making mistakes in these workouts, so I’m definitely getting better.”
That’s a solid sign of maturity and confidence, which should only help Maker during this process. With that being said, his lack of experience makes him one of the biggest question marks as we approach the Draft, but he’s undeniably one of the most intriguing prospects on the board.
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Re: Draft Workout Thread
by bobheckler Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:01 am
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/06/09/celtics-nba-draft-thon-maker-mamadou-ndiaye/
Celtics Welcome A Pair Of Giants To Pre-Draft Workouts
June 9, 2016 4:15 PM
Thon Maker and Mamadou Ndiaye, who both worked out for the Celtics on Thursday. (Photos by Getty Images)
Thon Maker and Mamadou Ndiaye, who both worked out for the Celtics on Thursday. (Photos by Getty Images)
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BOSTON (CBS) — There’s one thing you can’t really teach in basketball, and that’s size.
The Celtics had plenty of size at their pre-draft workout sessions on Thursday.
The C’s welcomed 12 more players to their practice facilities in Waltham on Thursday, once again breaking the crop of prospects into two groups. Both groups featured their own giant: 7-foot-1 Thon Maker in Group 1 and 7-foot-5 Mamadou Ndiaye in Group 2.
“We need size and we’ll scour the world for it as a league,” Celtics director of player personnel Austin Ainge said Thursday.
This was the eighth workout for Maker, who is a bit of a man of mystery for NBA teams. He started his high school career in Louisiana and was considered a top prospect for colleges, but moved to Canada to play in Orangeville, Ontario. He graduated in 2015 but was able to stay for an extra year as a post-grad student, making him eligible for the 2016 NBA Draft (though it did take some convincing with the league).
His time in Canada, away from pundits saying he was “the next big thing” for college basketball, was huge for Maker.
“I didn’t care too much about being ranked No. 1 or whatever. I just cared about getting better,” he told reporters Thursday. “There were times when I moved to Canada that nobody spoke about me. You just have to keep getting better, I did, and that’s how I got to this point.
“It helped me realize what I needed to do to keep getting better,” the lottery-hopeful said. “I got stronger and played all different positions. I’m able to use those right now.”
Maker said he can comfortably guard a three, four or five on defense, though he has to do some more work guarding small forwards after spending last year primarily at center.
“I think I’m ahead defensively because I take pride in getting stops. Offense is catching up fast, but that’s because I’m getting a lot of reps in. In these workouts, you get a chance to show both,” said Maker. “It’s helping me get better. I’m not worried about making mistakes in these workouts, so I’m definitely getting better.”
And he’s learned something important about himself as he works out against other draft hopefuls.
“I’m pretty good,” he said confidently. “I’m blessed to be in this situation so I have to continue to keep working.”
As for the other gentle giant the Celtics brought in on Thursday, Ndaiye didn’t feel as good about his workout. But the 22-year-old center from Senegal, who averaged 12.1 points, 7.2 rebounds and 2.4 blocks in 37 games for UC Irvine, remains confident his play on the floor and giant stature will lead to his name being called on June 23.
“I don’t think I did my best, but it was fun,” Ndiaye said of his workout. “I want to show them I can run the floor, hit some jump shots and rebound as well. On defense, I can take care of the paint.”
As with many kids on the taller side, Shaquille O’Neal was Ndaiye’s favorite player growing up. The first NBA game he attended was a Celtics game when Shaq was wearing green.
“It was a big moment for me,” he said with a gigantic smile on his face.
After the workout, Ndaiye got a chance to see the shoes Shaq wore with the Celtics, which were on display in the Hall of Fame room the post-workout interviews took place in.
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MONSTER 7'5, C Mamadou Ndiaye @mamadoundiaye14 checks out @SHAQ shoes @ #Celtics workout Shaq size 22 Ndiaye size 19
10:47 AM - 9 Jun 2016
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Here’s the full list of prospects the Celtics worked out on Thursday, with the NBA Draft just two weeks away:
Group 1
Alex Caruso – Texas A&M
Juan Hernangomez – Spain
Damian Jones – Vanderbilt
Thon Maker – Australia
Georgios Papagiannis – Greece
Rasheed Sulaimon – Maryland
Group 2
Robert Carter – Maryland
Stefan Jankovic – Hawaii
Shawn Long – Louisiana-Lafayette
Mamadou Ndiaye – UC-Irvine
Nik Slavica – Croatia
Troy Williams – Indiana
The Celtics own eight picks in the upcoming draft, including three in the first round.
bob
MY NOTE: Ndiaye is 22 years old. He is was 7'4" with an 8'1" wingspan in 2012!! And he's projected by DX to go #97!!??
Another player that Danny scouted on the Bender trip is Zizic, of Croatia. Here's Zizic and 6'7", 190# SF Nik Slavica. Slavica is expected to be in NEXT year's draft, 2017.
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Celtics Welcome A Pair Of Giants To Pre-Draft Workouts
June 9, 2016 4:15 PM
Thon Maker and Mamadou Ndiaye, who both worked out for the Celtics on Thursday. (Photos by Getty Images)
Thon Maker and Mamadou Ndiaye, who both worked out for the Celtics on Thursday. (Photos by Getty Images)
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BOSTON (CBS) — There’s one thing you can’t really teach in basketball, and that’s size.
The Celtics had plenty of size at their pre-draft workout sessions on Thursday.
The C’s welcomed 12 more players to their practice facilities in Waltham on Thursday, once again breaking the crop of prospects into two groups. Both groups featured their own giant: 7-foot-1 Thon Maker in Group 1 and 7-foot-5 Mamadou Ndiaye in Group 2.
“We need size and we’ll scour the world for it as a league,” Celtics director of player personnel Austin Ainge said Thursday.
This was the eighth workout for Maker, who is a bit of a man of mystery for NBA teams. He started his high school career in Louisiana and was considered a top prospect for colleges, but moved to Canada to play in Orangeville, Ontario. He graduated in 2015 but was able to stay for an extra year as a post-grad student, making him eligible for the 2016 NBA Draft (though it did take some convincing with the league).
His time in Canada, away from pundits saying he was “the next big thing” for college basketball, was huge for Maker.
“I didn’t care too much about being ranked No. 1 or whatever. I just cared about getting better,” he told reporters Thursday. “There were times when I moved to Canada that nobody spoke about me. You just have to keep getting better, I did, and that’s how I got to this point.
“It helped me realize what I needed to do to keep getting better,” the lottery-hopeful said. “I got stronger and played all different positions. I’m able to use those right now.”
Maker said he can comfortably guard a three, four or five on defense, though he has to do some more work guarding small forwards after spending last year primarily at center.
“I think I’m ahead defensively because I take pride in getting stops. Offense is catching up fast, but that’s because I’m getting a lot of reps in. In these workouts, you get a chance to show both,” said Maker. “It’s helping me get better. I’m not worried about making mistakes in these workouts, so I’m definitely getting better.”
And he’s learned something important about himself as he works out against other draft hopefuls.
“I’m pretty good,” he said confidently. “I’m blessed to be in this situation so I have to continue to keep working.”
As for the other gentle giant the Celtics brought in on Thursday, Ndaiye didn’t feel as good about his workout. But the 22-year-old center from Senegal, who averaged 12.1 points, 7.2 rebounds and 2.4 blocks in 37 games for UC Irvine, remains confident his play on the floor and giant stature will lead to his name being called on June 23.
“I don’t think I did my best, but it was fun,” Ndiaye said of his workout. “I want to show them I can run the floor, hit some jump shots and rebound as well. On defense, I can take care of the paint.”
As with many kids on the taller side, Shaquille O’Neal was Ndaiye’s favorite player growing up. The first NBA game he attended was a Celtics game when Shaq was wearing green.
“It was a big moment for me,” he said with a gigantic smile on his face.
After the workout, Ndaiye got a chance to see the shoes Shaq wore with the Celtics, which were on display in the Hall of Fame room the post-workout interviews took place in.
Follow
Scott Sullivan @SullyBunz
MONSTER 7'5, C Mamadou Ndiaye @mamadoundiaye14 checks out @SHAQ shoes @ #Celtics workout Shaq size 22 Ndiaye size 19
10:47 AM - 9 Jun 2016
Retweets 2 2 likes
Here’s the full list of prospects the Celtics worked out on Thursday, with the NBA Draft just two weeks away:
Group 1
Alex Caruso – Texas A&M
Juan Hernangomez – Spain
Damian Jones – Vanderbilt
Thon Maker – Australia
Georgios Papagiannis – Greece
Rasheed Sulaimon – Maryland
Group 2
Robert Carter – Maryland
Stefan Jankovic – Hawaii
Shawn Long – Louisiana-Lafayette
Mamadou Ndiaye – UC-Irvine
Nik Slavica – Croatia
Troy Williams – Indiana
The Celtics own eight picks in the upcoming draft, including three in the first round.
bob
MY NOTE: Ndiaye is 22 years old. He is was 7'4" with an 8'1" wingspan in 2012!! And he's projected by DX to go #97!!??
Another player that Danny scouted on the Bender trip is Zizic, of Croatia. Here's Zizic and 6'7", 190# SF Nik Slavica. Slavica is expected to be in NEXT year's draft, 2017.
bob
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Re: Draft Workout Thread
by bobheckler Tue Jun 14, 2016 9:41 am
http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2016/06/2016_nba_draft_rumors_buddy_hi_1.html
2016 NBA Draft rumors: Buddy Hield put on shooting display for Boston Celtics brass
Jay King | mjking@masslive.com By Jay King | mjking@masslive.com
on June 13, 2016 at 4:30 PM
Buddy Hield has broken Jamal Murray's (short-lived) Boston Celtics draft workout shooting record, according to ESPN's Jeff Goodman.
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Jamal Murray hit 79 of 100 3’s in Boston last week. Buddy Hield, per source, hit 85 of 100 in front of Celtics brass today in California.
12:43 PM - 13 Jun 2016
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People got excited last week about Murray's mark, but it wasn't as impressive as the label "Celtics shooting record" suggests. The record was just for this year. He admitted he didn't shoot well at first, other players (including current Celtics) have broken 80 in the past, and Hield hit an extra six shots Monday. Regardless, both guys can really shoot from the outside; Boston continues to stress it will take the best player available regardless of fit, but needs another player (or three) who can put the ball through the rim.
According to Goodman, the Celtics also watched Marquese Chriss work out Monday. The former Washington forward has shot up draft boards over the last few weeks and could now be a realistic candidate at No. 3; DraftExpress actually has him there in its latest mock draft, while ESPN's Chad Ford recently shared an anonymous quote from an NBA source who believes the Lakers should take Chriss with the second overall selection. Though questions exist about his basketball feel, he has only played the game since his freshman year of high school -- and has risen quickly thanks an exciting combination of athleticism, size and skill.
A few days ago, Ford suggested Chriss might be ranked even higher if he had spent his lone college season in a more visible program:
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Bill Simmons ✔ @BillSimmons
@chadfordinsider If Chriss went to Duke and Ingram went to Washington who would be the 2nd pick?
11:08 AM - 10 Jun 2016
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ESPN Insider ✔ @ESPNInsider
Tough call Bill. Probably Chriss. But very, very close. - @chadfordinsider
https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/741331292784988160 …
11:10 AM - 10 Jun 2016
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Reminder: The NBA Draft is in just 10 days, guys. Get excited.
bob
MY NOTE: Make that 9 days.
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2016 NBA Draft rumors: Buddy Hield put on shooting display for Boston Celtics brass
Jay King | mjking@masslive.com By Jay King | mjking@masslive.com
on June 13, 2016 at 4:30 PM
Buddy Hield has broken Jamal Murray's (short-lived) Boston Celtics draft workout shooting record, according to ESPN's Jeff Goodman.
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Jeff Goodman ✔ @GoodmanESPN
Jamal Murray hit 79 of 100 3’s in Boston last week. Buddy Hield, per source, hit 85 of 100 in front of Celtics brass today in California.
12:43 PM - 13 Jun 2016
1,385 1,385 Retweets 1,052 1,052 likes
People got excited last week about Murray's mark, but it wasn't as impressive as the label "Celtics shooting record" suggests. The record was just for this year. He admitted he didn't shoot well at first, other players (including current Celtics) have broken 80 in the past, and Hield hit an extra six shots Monday. Regardless, both guys can really shoot from the outside; Boston continues to stress it will take the best player available regardless of fit, but needs another player (or three) who can put the ball through the rim.
According to Goodman, the Celtics also watched Marquese Chriss work out Monday. The former Washington forward has shot up draft boards over the last few weeks and could now be a realistic candidate at No. 3; DraftExpress actually has him there in its latest mock draft, while ESPN's Chad Ford recently shared an anonymous quote from an NBA source who believes the Lakers should take Chriss with the second overall selection. Though questions exist about his basketball feel, he has only played the game since his freshman year of high school -- and has risen quickly thanks an exciting combination of athleticism, size and skill.
A few days ago, Ford suggested Chriss might be ranked even higher if he had spent his lone college season in a more visible program:
Follow
Bill Simmons ✔ @BillSimmons
@chadfordinsider If Chriss went to Duke and Ingram went to Washington who would be the 2nd pick?
11:08 AM - 10 Jun 2016
29 29 Retweets 126 126 likes
Follow
ESPN Insider ✔ @ESPNInsider
Tough call Bill. Probably Chriss. But very, very close. - @chadfordinsider
https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/741331292784988160 …
11:10 AM - 10 Jun 2016
47 47 Retweets 71 71 likes
Reminder: The NBA Draft is in just 10 days, guys. Get excited.
bob
MY NOTE: Make that 9 days.
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Re: Draft Workout Thread
by bobheckler Tue Jun 14, 2016 9:44 am
2016 NBA Draft rumors: Dragan Bender scheduled to work out for Boston Celtics on June 21
Croatian big man Dragan Bender could be a versatile draft option for the Boston Celtics. (Nicolas Armer / AP Images)
Jay King | mjking@masslive.com By Jay King | mjking@masslive.com
on June 13, 2016 at 1:25 PM
Dragan Bender will work out for the Boston Celtics two days before the NBA Draft, according to the Boston Globe's Adam Himmelsbach.
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Dragan Bender is scheduled to come to Boston for a workout on June 21, according to a league source.
10:09 AM - 13 Jun 2016
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The Celtics have already seen Bender, a possible No. 3 pick, a number of times. During a scouting trip last month, Danny Ainge stopped in Israel to watch the big man go through a practice with his current team (Maccabi Tel Aviv) and an individual workout for the Boston brass.
Bender, 18, is also expected to work out for at least a couple of other teams in the top five. His professional season ended recently.
bob
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Croatian big man Dragan Bender could be a versatile draft option for the Boston Celtics. (Nicolas Armer / AP Images)
Jay King | mjking@masslive.com By Jay King | mjking@masslive.com
on June 13, 2016 at 1:25 PM
Dragan Bender will work out for the Boston Celtics two days before the NBA Draft, according to the Boston Globe's Adam Himmelsbach.
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Adam Himmelsbach @AdamHimmelsbach
Dragan Bender is scheduled to come to Boston for a workout on June 21, according to a league source.
10:09 AM - 13 Jun 2016
23 23 Retweets 41 41 likes
The Celtics have already seen Bender, a possible No. 3 pick, a number of times. During a scouting trip last month, Danny Ainge stopped in Israel to watch the big man go through a practice with his current team (Maccabi Tel Aviv) and an individual workout for the Boston brass.
Bender, 18, is also expected to work out for at least a couple of other teams in the top five. His professional season ended recently.
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Re: Draft Workout Thread
by tjmakz Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:32 pm
For those that think age lying doesn't occur with the NBA prospects, it does.
Chad Ford: Chinese big man Zhou Qi will remain in the draft. Tough to gauge his draft stock. Very talented but teams think he’s older than listed age – via Twitter chadfordinsider
Draft, Zhou Qi
Chad Ford: Zhou Qi is listed as a 20 year old born in 1996. But a number of NBA scouts believe he was born in 1992 or 1993. Big difference to teams. – via Twitter chadfordinsider
Chad Ford: Chinese big man Zhou Qi will remain in the draft. Tough to gauge his draft stock. Very talented but teams think he’s older than listed age – via Twitter chadfordinsider
Draft, Zhou Qi
Chad Ford: Zhou Qi is listed as a 20 year old born in 1996. But a number of NBA scouts believe he was born in 1992 or 1993. Big difference to teams. – via Twitter chadfordinsider
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Re: Draft Workout Thread
by bobheckler Sat Jun 18, 2016 1:05 pm
Michael Scotto: Sources: Boston Celtics will bring in Yogi Ferrell (Indiana), Cat Barber (NC State) and Gary Payton II (Oregon State) for a workout Saturday 20 hours ago – via Twitter MikeAScotto
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Re: Draft Workout Thread
by bobheckler Sat Jun 18, 2016 1:07 pm
Scott Souza
@Scott_Souza about 6 minutes ago
#Celtics Austin Ainge on Marcus Smart: He was guy we kind of wanted to take, and we all liked him a lot, and he was horrible in his workout.
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Scott Souza
@Scott_Souza 4 minutes ago
#Celtics Austin Ainge on 2nd Marcus Smart #NBADraft workout w/ C's: Significantly better. He made shots. He was the Marcus that (we'd seen).
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Scott Souza
@Scott_Souza 3 minutes ago
The #Celtics Marcus Smart anecdote comes amid report Cal's Jaylen Brown will be working out with C's for a second time this week. #NBADraft
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@Scott_Souza about 6 minutes ago
#Celtics Austin Ainge on Marcus Smart: He was guy we kind of wanted to take, and we all liked him a lot, and he was horrible in his workout.
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Scott Souza
@Scott_Souza 4 minutes ago
#Celtics Austin Ainge on 2nd Marcus Smart #NBADraft workout w/ C's: Significantly better. He made shots. He was the Marcus that (we'd seen).
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Scott Souza
@Scott_Souza 3 minutes ago
The #Celtics Marcus Smart anecdote comes amid report Cal's Jaylen Brown will be working out with C's for a second time this week. #NBADraft
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Re: Draft Workout Thread
by bobheckler Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:34 pm
5 hours ago – via Twitter GoodmanESPN
Jeff Goodman: New Hampshire native and former Arizona big man Kaleb Tarczewski will work out for the Celtics tomorrow, per source.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kaleb-Tarczewski-6290/
7'0", 243#, 23 years old. 6'11 1/2" wingspan (ah, that explains it. He's Kelly O without the shot)
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Jeff Goodman: New Hampshire native and former Arizona big man Kaleb Tarczewski will work out for the Celtics tomorrow, per source.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kaleb-Tarczewski-6290/
7'0", 243#, 23 years old. 6'11 1/2" wingspan (ah, that explains it. He's Kelly O without the shot)
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