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Chad Ford Suggests Interesting Celtics-Lakers trade
by Ram Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:37 pm
The Lakers-Celtics swap
Lakers send: D'Angelo Russell and Julius Randle to BostonCeltics send: Picks Nos. 3 and 16 along with Jonas Jerebko, R.J. Hunter andJordan Mickey to Los Angeles
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Why the Lakers do it: The Lakers have hoped Russell would be the face of the franchise, post-Kobe Bryant, after drafting him with the No. 2 pick a year ago. It might still work out. But so far, it hasn't gone as hoped.
Russell struggled early in the year and turned the locker room against him after the Nick Young incident. Given Russell's high draft value, there is reason to believe the Lakers might be better off moving him and giving him a fresh start while finding comparable young players.
The Lakers hold the No. 2 pick in the draft, likely to be Brandon Ingram, and are enamored with two other prospects: Dunn and Chriss.
Adding either player -- along with another mid-first-round pick, plus other young prospects like Hunter and Mickey -- would give them a stronger base to build upon.
Why the Celtics do it: The Celtics would essentially get two picks for the price of one. Russell can do many of the things Evan Turner did for Boston last year, but for less money with far more upside. Randle is an athletic, versatile 4 -- another need on Boston's list.
It's clear the Celtics would prefer to package these picks along with other players on their roster for a veteran superstar. But that trade might not be available
This would give the Celtics two players who are a little more ready to come in and contribute right now and grow with a team full of young veterans.
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Re: Chad Ford Suggests Interesting Celtics-Lakers trade
by NYCelt Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:42 pm
Interesting idea.
Although any time I think of the Celts and Lakers trading I feel a little dirty and want to take a shower!
Although any time I think of the Celts and Lakers trading I feel a little dirty and want to take a shower!
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Re: Chad Ford Suggests Interesting Celtics-Lakers trade
by dboss Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:53 pm
NYCelt wrote:Interesting idea.
Although any time I think of the Celts and Lakers trading I feel a little dirty and want to take a shower!
ha, ha!
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Re: Chad Ford Suggests Interesting Celtics-Lakers trade
by wideclyde Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:44 pm
Randle is young and appears to have more growth, but is a good piece while Russell is also young but seems to have more questions about his future on several fronts.
Like all trades this is a gamble of some degree. I would much rather see pick #23 instead of #16 and Young in place of either Mickey or Jerebko who both are much more likely to help the Cs than James Young.
Like all trades this is a gamble of some degree. I would much rather see pick #23 instead of #16 and Young in place of either Mickey or Jerebko who both are much more likely to help the Cs than James Young.
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Re: Chad Ford Suggests Interesting Celtics-Lakers trade
by bobheckler Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:00 pm
An athletic, versatile 4 is a need of ours? Really? Wouldn't that describe two of the players he thinks we should give up, Jerebko and Mickey? We saw Jonas is a big game player in the playoffs. Randle is unproven. I also don't think he is the defender Mickey is nor does he have his range.
We need high quality veterans. We are already too young. This trade makes us even younger and, in Russell's case, less mature.
Danny is big game hunting. I could see this deal only if he can't make a big deal and we probably won't know that until it is after the draft.
No thanks. Me, I think I'll pass.
bob
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We need high quality veterans. We are already too young. This trade makes us even younger and, in Russell's case, less mature.
Danny is big game hunting. I could see this deal only if he can't make a big deal and we probably won't know that until it is after the draft.
No thanks. Me, I think I'll pass.
bob
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Re: Chad Ford Suggests Interesting Celtics-Lakers trade
by dboss Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:42 pm
bobheckler wrote:An athletic, versatile 4 is a need of ours? Really? Wouldn't that describe two of the players he thinks we should give up, Jerebko and Mickey? We saw Jonas is a big game player in the playoffs. Randle is unproven. I also don't think he is the defender Mickey is nor does he have his range.
We need high quality veterans. We are already too young. This trade makes us even younger and, in Russell's case, less mature.
Danny is big game hunting. I could see this deal only if he can't make a big deal and we probably won't know that until it is after the draft.
No thanks. Me, I think I'll pass.
bob
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This would be a stupid trade idea We need shooters and a rim protector.
As they said in Star Wars' "stay on target"
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Re: Chad Ford Suggests Interesting Celtics-Lakers trade
by cowens/oldschool Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:55 pm
these 2 players cannot defend their positions adequately, Mickey already is much better defender than Randle
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Re: Chad Ford Suggests Interesting Celtics-Lakers trade
by Ram Tue Jun 14, 2016 9:34 pm
dboss wrote:
This would be a stupid trade idea We need shooters and a rim protector.
As they said in Star Wars' "stay on target"
Dboss
I'm not a fan of this trade with LA, but once again we have dboss asking for things w/o providing the names of players he feels are realistic to fill his desires and suggesting ways to get them.
I said Butler was a shooter and an upgrade to Bradley and Biyombo a rim protector and an upgrade to Amir and dboss called those 'incremental improvements' he would pass on b/c they don't make us a contender.
Please, dboss, tell us how the Celtics are getting Klay Thompson and Anthony Davis...
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Re: Chad Ford Suggests Interesting Celtics-Lakers trade
by tjmakz Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:48 pm
As a Lakers fan, I would not want the Lakers to make this trade.
I have zero interest in Hunter and little in Mickey.
To me, this is a 2 for 1 trade in the favor of Boston.
I like Russell but love Randall's potential.
Also, this doesn't make sense for Boston.
If they give up #3 and #16 if should be for an established veteran who will help them win this season.
They also don't need a PG and a PF.
I have zero interest in Hunter and little in Mickey.
To me, this is a 2 for 1 trade in the favor of Boston.
I like Russell but love Randall's potential.
Also, this doesn't make sense for Boston.
If they give up #3 and #16 if should be for an established veteran who will help them win this season.
They also don't need a PG and a PF.
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Re: Chad Ford Suggests Interesting Celtics-Lakers trade
by NYCelt Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:57 pm
tjmakz wrote:As a Lakers fan, I would not want the Lakers to make this trade.
I have zero interest in Hunter and little in Mickey.
To me, this is a 2 for 1 trade in the favor of Boston.
I like Russell but love Randall's potential.
Also, this doesn't make sense for Boston.
If they give up #3 and #16 if should be for an established veteran who will help them win this season.
TJ,
As a Celtics fan, I'd love to give the Lakers Hunter and Mickey and end up with Russell and Randall. Of course, the only problem in this proposal is parting with the #3 and #16 picks. Hunter and Mickey are NBA spare parts IMHO, likely not long for the league, so I understand your lack of interest there. Jerebko does appear to have some value, however. I agree with you that giving up those two picks should be for an established veteran player.
Regards
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Re: Chad Ford Suggests Interesting Celtics-Lakers trade
by NYCelt Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:17 am
Ram wrote:dboss wrote:
This would be a stupid trade idea We need shooters and a rim protector.
As they said in Star Wars' "stay on target"
Dboss
I'm not a fan of this trade with LA, but once again we have dboss asking for things w/o providing the names of players he feels are realistic to fill his desires and suggesting ways to get them.
I said Butler was a shooter and an upgrade to Bradley and Biyombo a rim protector and an upgrade to Amir and dboss called those 'incremental improvements' he would pass on b/c they don't make us a contender.
Please, dboss, tell us how the Celtics are getting Klay Thompson and Anthony Davis...
Ram,
Since when is it incumbent on a poster to name players to fill spots? You tell me; how many players are there in the NBA and which ones are available? The statement was simply made by dboss that he didn't like the proposed idea (at all; thought it was actually stupid). I don't see any issue with not naming players. As a matter of fact, I would go as far as to say that just naming players to fill spots out of thin air is futility at its finest. I can see naming a given player as the type we could use, but why is even that needed here? He's simply saying he doesn't like the idea. No need to expand on it. If you look in other posts right here in this topic, you'll see similar comments without naming who we should deal for. Are those a problem as well?
Furthermore, what does Butler have to do with anything here? Or Biyombo, Bradley or Johnson for that matter? This topic isn't about any of them, you're bringing something from another topic into this. The Thompson and Davis remarks are pure sarcasm; no need to go there.
Let's get past this please.
NYCelt
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Re: Chad Ford Suggests Interesting Celtics-Lakers trade
by Ram Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:33 am
NYCelt wrote:
Ram,
Since when is it incumbent on a poster to name players to fill spots? You tell me; how many players are there in the NBA and which ones are available? The statement was simply made by dboss that he didn't like the proposed idea (at all; thought it was actually stupid). I don't see any issue with not naming players. As a matter of fact, I would go as far as to say that just naming players to fill spots out of thin air is futility at its finest. I can see naming a given player as the type we could use, but why is even that needed here? He's simply saying he doesn't like the idea. No need to expand on it. If you look in other posts right here in this topic, you'll see similar comments without naming who we should deal for. Are those a problem as well?
Furthermore, what does Butler have to do with anything here? Or Biyombo, Bradley or Johnson for that matter? This topic isn't about any of them, you're bringing something from another topic into this. The Thompson and Davis remarks are pure sarcasm; no need to go there.
Let's get past this please.
NYCelt
I rarely come across fans who can tell someone what their team needs and not also tell you who could realistically fill those needs and how their team could go about acquiring those specific players. Those who can't explain the end game are of the "hey I know what 2-3 pieces this club needs but I'll be darned if I know how they'll get those guys, I leave that up to the experts" type people.
Yet dboss acts like an expert and insults EVERY trade idea or FA signing others provide, even if they fill his 'needs' (Butler/Biyombo). Meanwhile, I have yet to see him provide an example with names of what sort of offseason moves would be satisfactory to him. It just goes against every positive and productive conversation I have with Celtic fans in my life. You don't bash others ideas while refusing to provide anything of substance yourself. C'mon now, in all walks of life and anywhere in our society that is frowned upon and those type of people are eventually ignored and not considered knowledgeable contributors to the conversation.
I can say I hate our President's response to terrorism, but can't speak intelligently on what I would be doing differently. Therefore I shouldn't be in a political forum telling those more knowledgeable than me on foreign policy that their ideas and opinions all stink while providing none of my own. That is what it seems like dboss does here.
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Re: Chad Ford Suggests Interesting Celtics-Lakers trade
by Ram Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:51 am
In this particular thread it isn't a big deal to just say you dislike the idea and move on. That is because it is Chad Ford's idea.
If he were a poster here who then came back with more and more facts and justifications in support of his idea, and asked those who didn't like it to say what they would do instead, and all he got was "get a great 3 point shooter on the wing and a rim-protecting big man who can also score 10+ points a game" but then wasn't given a single scenario by which that was to be achieved, Mr. Ford could conclude that even if his trade idea wasn't the best one, at least he did his research, supported it with facts and was more knowledgeable and a better contributor to the conversation than the dissenters.
If he were a poster here who then came back with more and more facts and justifications in support of his idea, and asked those who didn't like it to say what they would do instead, and all he got was "get a great 3 point shooter on the wing and a rim-protecting big man who can also score 10+ points a game" but then wasn't given a single scenario by which that was to be achieved, Mr. Ford could conclude that even if his trade idea wasn't the best one, at least he did his research, supported it with facts and was more knowledgeable and a better contributor to the conversation than the dissenters.
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Re: Chad Ford Suggests Interesting Celtics-Lakers trade
by NYCelt Wed Jun 15, 2016 8:10 am
Ram,
Let's just look at this together for a moment. You're talking about a poster who has contributed unselfishly to the success of this board since it started. No coincidence he was made one of the moderators of the group. You may feel that if someone rejects an idea, they need to give details on why, but that's simply not the case. This group is made up of people from all different circumstances, many too busy in their lives to do more than pop in and leave a quick thought. So go ahead and ask why if you feel you want some insight from someone, but don't badger them if, in your opinion, you don't always get a satisfactory answer. For you to claim that this particular person never goes into detail on what he would do is completely wrong. There is no way any of us can do what you're asking.
In your second of two posts above, you even open by saying that, in this thread, it isn't a big deal to reject the thought and move on. Then let's move on.
Please don't drag ill feelings from something else into this. We have too many people on this board who are knowledgeable fans with significant things to contribute to be distracted by personal battles, and that includes you. I'm asking that this ends right here.
Regards
Let's just look at this together for a moment. You're talking about a poster who has contributed unselfishly to the success of this board since it started. No coincidence he was made one of the moderators of the group. You may feel that if someone rejects an idea, they need to give details on why, but that's simply not the case. This group is made up of people from all different circumstances, many too busy in their lives to do more than pop in and leave a quick thought. So go ahead and ask why if you feel you want some insight from someone, but don't badger them if, in your opinion, you don't always get a satisfactory answer. For you to claim that this particular person never goes into detail on what he would do is completely wrong. There is no way any of us can do what you're asking.
In your second of two posts above, you even open by saying that, in this thread, it isn't a big deal to reject the thought and move on. Then let's move on.
Please don't drag ill feelings from something else into this. We have too many people on this board who are knowledgeable fans with significant things to contribute to be distracted by personal battles, and that includes you. I'm asking that this ends right here.
Regards
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Re: Chad Ford Suggests Interesting Celtics-Lakers trade
by Ram Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:53 am
NY,
I'm not dragging ill will from anywhere into this. I am probably younger than most here but have still spent 25 years of my life talking Celtics basketball with friends and family. You either provide your own realistic ideas with names and stats or you say you don't know enough about the sport to contribute beyond thinking the team needs ----- and then are humble and ask questions when others provide their scenarios.
kdp59 said it best in the other thread about Gasol/Butler. It does not matter how long you have been on this board or your contributions from the past. If you don't like reading everyone's wild and fun and sometimes silly trade, draft and free agent proposals (as he feels dboss probably does not) then simply don't read or comment on those threads.
Going from thread to thread and idea to idea simply saying they are all bad and providing ZERO ideas of your own or statistical evidence or names is NOT how fans discuss their sports teams. I feel very strongly about that.
If you are on a committee at work and everyone gives their idea for improvement and you tell all your colleagues those ideas stink and then fail to come up with your own what would happen?
I guess we just have a philosophical difference here. I will drop it because you have requested I do so several times now. But please refer to what kdp59 said and his very spot on insights in the other thread. I am not trying to cause trouble, I just have strong feelings against those type of 'fans' and others here feel the same way.
I'm not dragging ill will from anywhere into this. I am probably younger than most here but have still spent 25 years of my life talking Celtics basketball with friends and family. You either provide your own realistic ideas with names and stats or you say you don't know enough about the sport to contribute beyond thinking the team needs ----- and then are humble and ask questions when others provide their scenarios.
kdp59 said it best in the other thread about Gasol/Butler. It does not matter how long you have been on this board or your contributions from the past. If you don't like reading everyone's wild and fun and sometimes silly trade, draft and free agent proposals (as he feels dboss probably does not) then simply don't read or comment on those threads.
Going from thread to thread and idea to idea simply saying they are all bad and providing ZERO ideas of your own or statistical evidence or names is NOT how fans discuss their sports teams. I feel very strongly about that.
If you are on a committee at work and everyone gives their idea for improvement and you tell all your colleagues those ideas stink and then fail to come up with your own what would happen?
I guess we just have a philosophical difference here. I will drop it because you have requested I do so several times now. But please refer to what kdp59 said and his very spot on insights in the other thread. I am not trying to cause trouble, I just have strong feelings against those type of 'fans' and others here feel the same way.
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Re: Chad Ford Suggests Interesting Celtics-Lakers trade
by dboss Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:22 pm
Ram
You hurt my feelings. I am going to the league office to complain.
Lol
Dboss
You hurt my feelings. I am going to the league office to complain.
Lol
Dboss
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Re: Chad Ford Suggests Interesting Celtics-Lakers trade
by tjmakz Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:25 pm
Here's the full story from Chad Ford.
He is proposing 5 trades.
Pretty interesting read for NBA fans.
The massive three-teamer
Knicks send: Carmelo Anthony and Robin Lopez to Cleveland
Cavaliers send: Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, Mo Williams and Sasha Kaun to Phoenix
Suns send: Eric Bledsoe to Cleveland; Brandon Knight, Alex Len, P.J. Tucker, Archie Goodwin and the Nos. 4 and 13 picks to New York
Why the Cavs do it: If the Cavs fail to beat the Warriors in the Finals, it might be time to make some changes. Love still seems like an awkward fit. Irving is special but hasn't clicked consistently with LeBron James the last two years, despite Irving's incredible scoring display in Monday's Game 5.
The big trades, the big free agents, the big decisions. Our NBA Insiders go 5-on-5 on 19 teams, leading with Jimmy Butler and the Chicago Bulls
On July 1, NBA free agency will arrive, featuring big names like Kevin Durant, Mike Conley, Al Horford, Dwight Howard and Hassan Whiteside. Our NBA Insiders are going 5-on-5 on what to expect.
This deal brings in two players LeBron has wanted to play with for a while: Anthony and Bledsoe. Would this be a talent upgrade? Maybe, maybe not.
But chemistry seems to be a significant issue in Cleveland and the hope would be for a trade like this to improve the team's synergy -- and its chances to win a title. Also, Lopez would be a serviceable big man to help control the paint.
Why the Suns do it: Owner Robert Sarver has been eager to avoid a total rebuild in Phoenix. This would give him a chance to make a big splash right now. Irving has a higher ceiling than Bledsoe and is two years younger. Love would fill a huge gap at the 4.
Most importantly, it also allows the Suns to do this while still hanging on to Devin Booker, whom they are very high on. With Knight departing in this trade, Booker could step into the starting lineup for Phoenix right away.
Why the Knicks do it: First of all, Anthony has the ability to veto any trades. But given his friendship with LeBron and his desire to compete for an NBA championship, it's quite possible he would endorse this deal.
The Knicks would get multiple pieces for Melo and speed up the rebuild around Kristaps Porzingis. The big prize would be the No. 4 pick in the draft. That pick should be able to net them Kris Dunn, Jamal Murray, Marquese Chriss, Jaylen Brown or Buddy Hield.
The No. 13 pick should land a player like Dejounte Murray, Wade Baldwin or Furkan Korkmaz. In short, there's a lot of talent there. Len was the No. 5 pick in 2013 and still has terrific upside. Goodwin is only 21 and a solid scorer.
While this trade wouldn't improve the Knicks' record by much next season, it would give them a solid foundation for building a contender down the road. Knicks fans might hate rebuilding, but this is the way to go.
The Jimmy Butler deal
Bulls send: Jimmy Butler to Minnesota
Wolves send: No. 5 pick, Zach LaVine, Gorgui Dieng and Nikola Pekovic to Chicago
Why the Wolves do it: Because coach Tom Thibodeau loves Butler. Thibodeau has plenty of elite young players on the roster. He wants to put them in a winning culture and Butler would help tremendously with that.
The Wolves won't be the only team pursing Butler and this package might not be enough. But if Thibs could get this done, it's a slam dunk.
Why the Bulls do it: The Bulls are potentially facing a total rebuild. Pau Gasol might leave via free agency. Derrick Rose looks like he'll never be able to fully bounce back after several years of injuries.
Getting the No. 5 pick -- they really covet Dunn -- along with LaVine and Dieng, to go along with their own No. 14 pick, would allow the Bulls to start the rebuild process quickly.
The Celtics might be able to make a better offer, so keep an eye on that. Either way, the Bulls are likely missing the playoffs again next year. But this kind of deal would give them significant hope for the future.
The Lakers-Celtics swap
Lakers send: D'Angelo Russell and Julius Randle to Boston
Celtics send: Picks Nos. 3 and 16 along with Jonas Jerebko, R.J. Hunter and Jordan Mickey to Los Angeles
Why the Lakers do it: The Lakers have hoped Russell would be the face of the franchise, post-Kobe Bryant, after drafting him with the No. 2 pick a year ago. It might still work out. But so far, it hasn't gone as hoped.
Russell struggled early in the year and turned the locker room against him after the Nick Young incident. Given Russell's high draft value, there is reason to believe the Lakers might be better off moving him and giving him a fresh start while finding comparable young players.
The Lakers hold the No. 2 pick in the draft, likely to be Brandon Ingram, and are enamored with two other prospects: Dunn and Chriss.
Adding either player -- along with another mid-first-round pick, plus other young prospects like Hunter and Mickey -- would give them a stronger base to build upon.
Why the Celtics do it: The Celtics would essentially get two picks for the price of one. Russell can do many of the things Evan Turner did for Boston last year, but for less money with far more upside. Randle is an athletic, versatile 4 -- another need on Boston's list.
It's clear the Celtics would prefer to package these picks along with other players on their roster for a veteran superstar. But that trade might not be available
This would give the Celtics two players who are a little more ready to come in and contribute right now and grow with a team full of young veterans.
Big for small
Sixers send: Jahlil Okafor to New Orleans
Pelicans send: No. 6 pick and Alexis Ajinca to Philadelphia
Why the 76ers do it: They don't believe Okafor and Nerlens Noel can thrive together on the court. Head coach Brett Brown wants to play fast, which makes Okafor more expendable.
In addition to likely taking Ben Simmons with the No. 1 pick, the Sixers would love to add a guard in the draft. Dunn, Jamal Murray or Hield should still be on the board at No. 6.
Why the Pelicans do it: Pairing Anthony Davis and Okafor gives them a powerful front court. It also allows them to shop Omer Asik for another potential backcourt player.
New Orleans isn't a perfect fit for Okafor -- I'm not sure there is one -- but this is the best the Sixers will do if they want to land another top pick.
The backcourt boosts
Hawks send: Jeff Teague and Thabo Sefolosha to Sacramento
Kings send: No. 8 pick, Kosta Koufos and Ben McLemore to Atlanta
Why the Hawks do it: The Hawks are shopping Teague hard. It looks like Dennis Schroder is their point guard of the future. This would give them a chance at a prospect like Jaylen Brown, Hield or maybe Jamal Murray to pair with Schroder. Or they could go in a different direction and take a big man like Jakob Poeltl or Skal Labissiere.
McLemore hasn't been great in Sacramento, but maybe a chance of scenery would do him good.
Why the Kings do it: The Kings are in playoff-or-bust mode. The last thing they want is another rookie (especially given their awful track record in developing them).
Teague would give them a very good starting point guard and keep them from overpaying Rajon Rondo. Sefolosha would give them a veteran 2-guard to help as well.
He is proposing 5 trades.
Pretty interesting read for NBA fans.
The massive three-teamer
Knicks send: Carmelo Anthony and Robin Lopez to Cleveland
Cavaliers send: Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, Mo Williams and Sasha Kaun to Phoenix
Suns send: Eric Bledsoe to Cleveland; Brandon Knight, Alex Len, P.J. Tucker, Archie Goodwin and the Nos. 4 and 13 picks to New York
Why the Cavs do it: If the Cavs fail to beat the Warriors in the Finals, it might be time to make some changes. Love still seems like an awkward fit. Irving is special but hasn't clicked consistently with LeBron James the last two years, despite Irving's incredible scoring display in Monday's Game 5.
The big trades, the big free agents, the big decisions. Our NBA Insiders go 5-on-5 on 19 teams, leading with Jimmy Butler and the Chicago Bulls
On July 1, NBA free agency will arrive, featuring big names like Kevin Durant, Mike Conley, Al Horford, Dwight Howard and Hassan Whiteside. Our NBA Insiders are going 5-on-5 on what to expect.
This deal brings in two players LeBron has wanted to play with for a while: Anthony and Bledsoe. Would this be a talent upgrade? Maybe, maybe not.
But chemistry seems to be a significant issue in Cleveland and the hope would be for a trade like this to improve the team's synergy -- and its chances to win a title. Also, Lopez would be a serviceable big man to help control the paint.
Why the Suns do it: Owner Robert Sarver has been eager to avoid a total rebuild in Phoenix. This would give him a chance to make a big splash right now. Irving has a higher ceiling than Bledsoe and is two years younger. Love would fill a huge gap at the 4.
Most importantly, it also allows the Suns to do this while still hanging on to Devin Booker, whom they are very high on. With Knight departing in this trade, Booker could step into the starting lineup for Phoenix right away.
Why the Knicks do it: First of all, Anthony has the ability to veto any trades. But given his friendship with LeBron and his desire to compete for an NBA championship, it's quite possible he would endorse this deal.
The Knicks would get multiple pieces for Melo and speed up the rebuild around Kristaps Porzingis. The big prize would be the No. 4 pick in the draft. That pick should be able to net them Kris Dunn, Jamal Murray, Marquese Chriss, Jaylen Brown or Buddy Hield.
The No. 13 pick should land a player like Dejounte Murray, Wade Baldwin or Furkan Korkmaz. In short, there's a lot of talent there. Len was the No. 5 pick in 2013 and still has terrific upside. Goodwin is only 21 and a solid scorer.
While this trade wouldn't improve the Knicks' record by much next season, it would give them a solid foundation for building a contender down the road. Knicks fans might hate rebuilding, but this is the way to go.
The Jimmy Butler deal
Bulls send: Jimmy Butler to Minnesota
Wolves send: No. 5 pick, Zach LaVine, Gorgui Dieng and Nikola Pekovic to Chicago
Why the Wolves do it: Because coach Tom Thibodeau loves Butler. Thibodeau has plenty of elite young players on the roster. He wants to put them in a winning culture and Butler would help tremendously with that.
The Wolves won't be the only team pursing Butler and this package might not be enough. But if Thibs could get this done, it's a slam dunk.
Why the Bulls do it: The Bulls are potentially facing a total rebuild. Pau Gasol might leave via free agency. Derrick Rose looks like he'll never be able to fully bounce back after several years of injuries.
Getting the No. 5 pick -- they really covet Dunn -- along with LaVine and Dieng, to go along with their own No. 14 pick, would allow the Bulls to start the rebuild process quickly.
The Celtics might be able to make a better offer, so keep an eye on that. Either way, the Bulls are likely missing the playoffs again next year. But this kind of deal would give them significant hope for the future.
The Lakers-Celtics swap
Lakers send: D'Angelo Russell and Julius Randle to Boston
Celtics send: Picks Nos. 3 and 16 along with Jonas Jerebko, R.J. Hunter and Jordan Mickey to Los Angeles
Why the Lakers do it: The Lakers have hoped Russell would be the face of the franchise, post-Kobe Bryant, after drafting him with the No. 2 pick a year ago. It might still work out. But so far, it hasn't gone as hoped.
Russell struggled early in the year and turned the locker room against him after the Nick Young incident. Given Russell's high draft value, there is reason to believe the Lakers might be better off moving him and giving him a fresh start while finding comparable young players.
The Lakers hold the No. 2 pick in the draft, likely to be Brandon Ingram, and are enamored with two other prospects: Dunn and Chriss.
Adding either player -- along with another mid-first-round pick, plus other young prospects like Hunter and Mickey -- would give them a stronger base to build upon.
Why the Celtics do it: The Celtics would essentially get two picks for the price of one. Russell can do many of the things Evan Turner did for Boston last year, but for less money with far more upside. Randle is an athletic, versatile 4 -- another need on Boston's list.
It's clear the Celtics would prefer to package these picks along with other players on their roster for a veteran superstar. But that trade might not be available
This would give the Celtics two players who are a little more ready to come in and contribute right now and grow with a team full of young veterans.
Big for small
Sixers send: Jahlil Okafor to New Orleans
Pelicans send: No. 6 pick and Alexis Ajinca to Philadelphia
Why the 76ers do it: They don't believe Okafor and Nerlens Noel can thrive together on the court. Head coach Brett Brown wants to play fast, which makes Okafor more expendable.
In addition to likely taking Ben Simmons with the No. 1 pick, the Sixers would love to add a guard in the draft. Dunn, Jamal Murray or Hield should still be on the board at No. 6.
Why the Pelicans do it: Pairing Anthony Davis and Okafor gives them a powerful front court. It also allows them to shop Omer Asik for another potential backcourt player.
New Orleans isn't a perfect fit for Okafor -- I'm not sure there is one -- but this is the best the Sixers will do if they want to land another top pick.
The backcourt boosts
Hawks send: Jeff Teague and Thabo Sefolosha to Sacramento
Kings send: No. 8 pick, Kosta Koufos and Ben McLemore to Atlanta
Why the Hawks do it: The Hawks are shopping Teague hard. It looks like Dennis Schroder is their point guard of the future. This would give them a chance at a prospect like Jaylen Brown, Hield or maybe Jamal Murray to pair with Schroder. Or they could go in a different direction and take a big man like Jakob Poeltl or Skal Labissiere.
McLemore hasn't been great in Sacramento, but maybe a chance of scenery would do him good.
Why the Kings do it: The Kings are in playoff-or-bust mode. The last thing they want is another rookie (especially given their awful track record in developing them).
Teague would give them a very good starting point guard and keep them from overpaying Rajon Rondo. Sefolosha would give them a veteran 2-guard to help as well.
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Re: Chad Ford Suggests Interesting Celtics-Lakers trade
by NYCelt Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:41 pm
Ram,
Thank you for letting this go and for understanding, and staying within, what we consider acceptable boundaries going forward. I'm happy that you will be able to participate within the philosophy under which this board was created.
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Thank you for letting this go and for understanding, and staying within, what we consider acceptable boundaries going forward. I'm happy that you will be able to participate within the philosophy under which this board was created.
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Re: Chad Ford Suggests Interesting Celtics-Lakers trade
by NYCelt Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:13 pm
tjmakz wrote:Here's the full story from Chad Ford.
He is proposing 5 trades.
Pretty interesting read for NBA fans.
The massive three-teamer
Knicks send: Carmelo Anthony and Robin Lopez to Cleveland
Cavaliers send: Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, Mo Williams and Sasha Kaun to Phoenix
Suns send: Eric Bledsoe to Cleveland; Brandon Knight, Alex Len, P.J. Tucker, Archie Goodwin and the Nos. 4 and 13 picks to New York
Why the Cavs do it: If the Cavs fail to beat the Warriors in the Finals, it might be time to make some changes. Love still seems like an awkward fit. Irving is special but hasn't clicked consistently with LeBron James the last two years, despite Irving's incredible scoring display in Monday's Game 5.
The big trades, the big free agents, the big decisions. Our NBA Insiders go 5-on-5 on 19 teams, leading with Jimmy Butler and the Chicago Bulls
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This deal brings in two players LeBron has wanted to play with for a while: Anthony and Bledsoe. Would this be a talent upgrade? Maybe, maybe not.
But chemistry seems to be a significant issue in Cleveland and the hope would be for a trade like this to improve the team's synergy -- and its chances to win a title. Also, Lopez would be a serviceable big man to help control the paint.
Why the Suns do it: Owner Robert Sarver has been eager to avoid a total rebuild in Phoenix. This would give him a chance to make a big splash right now. Irving has a higher ceiling than Bledsoe and is two years younger. Love would fill a huge gap at the 4.
Most importantly, it also allows the Suns to do this while still hanging on to Devin Booker, whom they are very high on. With Knight departing in this trade, Booker could step into the starting lineup for Phoenix right away.
Why the Knicks do it: First of all, Anthony has the ability to veto any trades. But given his friendship with LeBron and his desire to compete for an NBA championship, it's quite possible he would endorse this deal.
The Knicks would get multiple pieces for Melo and speed up the rebuild around Kristaps Porzingis. The big prize would be the No. 4 pick in the draft. That pick should be able to net them Kris Dunn, Jamal Murray, Marquese Chriss, Jaylen Brown or Buddy Hield.
The No. 13 pick should land a player like Dejounte Murray, Wade Baldwin or Furkan Korkmaz. In short, there's a lot of talent there. Len was the No. 5 pick in 2013 and still has terrific upside. Goodwin is only 21 and a solid scorer.
While this trade wouldn't improve the Knicks' record by much next season, it would give them a solid foundation for building a contender down the road. Knicks fans might hate rebuilding, but this is the way to go.
The Jimmy Butler deal
Bulls send: Jimmy Butler to Minnesota
Wolves send: No. 5 pick, Zach LaVine, Gorgui Dieng and Nikola Pekovic to Chicago
Why the Wolves do it: Because coach Tom Thibodeau loves Butler. Thibodeau has plenty of elite young players on the roster. He wants to put them in a winning culture and Butler would help tremendously with that.
The Wolves won't be the only team pursing Butler and this package might not be enough. But if Thibs could get this done, it's a slam dunk.
Why the Bulls do it: The Bulls are potentially facing a total rebuild. Pau Gasol might leave via free agency. Derrick Rose looks like he'll never be able to fully bounce back after several years of injuries.
Getting the No. 5 pick -- they really covet Dunn -- along with LaVine and Dieng, to go along with their own No. 14 pick, would allow the Bulls to start the rebuild process quickly.
The Celtics might be able to make a better offer, so keep an eye on that. Either way, the Bulls are likely missing the playoffs again next year. But this kind of deal would give them significant hope for the future.
The Lakers-Celtics swap
Lakers send: D'Angelo Russell and Julius Randle to Boston
Celtics send: Picks Nos. 3 and 16 along with Jonas Jerebko, R.J. Hunter and Jordan Mickey to Los Angeles
Why the Lakers do it: The Lakers have hoped Russell would be the face of the franchise, post-Kobe Bryant, after drafting him with the No. 2 pick a year ago. It might still work out. But so far, it hasn't gone as hoped.
Russell struggled early in the year and turned the locker room against him after the Nick Young incident. Given Russell's high draft value, there is reason to believe the Lakers might be better off moving him and giving him a fresh start while finding comparable young players.
The Lakers hold the No. 2 pick in the draft, likely to be Brandon Ingram, and are enamored with two other prospects: Dunn and Chriss.
Adding either player -- along with another mid-first-round pick, plus other young prospects like Hunter and Mickey -- would give them a stronger base to build upon.
Why the Celtics do it: The Celtics would essentially get two picks for the price of one. Russell can do many of the things Evan Turner did for Boston last year, but for less money with far more upside. Randle is an athletic, versatile 4 -- another need on Boston's list.
It's clear the Celtics would prefer to package these picks along with other players on their roster for a veteran superstar. But that trade might not be available
This would give the Celtics two players who are a little more ready to come in and contribute right now and grow with a team full of young veterans.
Big for small
Sixers send: Jahlil Okafor to New Orleans
Pelicans send: No. 6 pick and Alexis Ajinca to Philadelphia
Why the 76ers do it: They don't believe Okafor and Nerlens Noel can thrive together on the court. Head coach Brett Brown wants to play fast, which makes Okafor more expendable.
In addition to likely taking Ben Simmons with the No. 1 pick, the Sixers would love to add a guard in the draft. Dunn, Jamal Murray or Hield should still be on the board at No. 6.
Why the Pelicans do it: Pairing Anthony Davis and Okafor gives them a powerful front court. It also allows them to shop Omer Asik for another potential backcourt player.
New Orleans isn't a perfect fit for Okafor -- I'm not sure there is one -- but this is the best the Sixers will do if they want to land another top pick.
The backcourt boosts
Hawks send: Jeff Teague and Thabo Sefolosha to Sacramento
Kings send: No. 8 pick, Kosta Koufos and Ben McLemore to Atlanta
Why the Hawks do it: The Hawks are shopping Teague hard. It looks like Dennis Schroder is their point guard of the future. This would give them a chance at a prospect like Jaylen Brown, Hield or maybe Jamal Murray to pair with Schroder. Or they could go in a different direction and take a big man like Jakob Poeltl or Skal Labissiere.
McLemore hasn't been great in Sacramento, but maybe a chance of scenery would do him good.
Why the Kings do it: The Kings are in playoff-or-bust mode. The last thing they want is another rookie (especially given their awful track record in developing them).
Teague would give them a very good starting point guard and keep them from overpaying Rajon Rondo. Sefolosha would give them a veteran 2-guard to help as well.
Regarding the proposed Butler deal.
Hard to imagine the Celtics could make a better offer. We could package a #3 this year, and maybe one of our higher picks over the next couple of drafts, but at least this year, the difference between #3 and #5 isn't looking like much. I don't think we have two young players to add to the deal that can match the apparent future of LaVine and Dieng. For just Butler, that #3 and a high future pick I threw in is really too much to give up in the transaction. I personally wouldn't pursue it if that was what it took.
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Re: Chad Ford Suggests Interesting Celtics-Lakers trade
by worcester Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:18 pm
Chad Ford has quite the active imagination. I wonder what the Vegas odds would be on any of his ideas coming true.
---- I just can't see the Cavs saying goodbye to Kyrie. No way.
Sure Thibs would want Butler this way. Doubt the Bulls would let him go only for potential stars.
----No way are the Lakers that dumb to make such a trade, and it's not that good for the Celts either.
The Sixers could make a better trade with Danny. Otherwise, yes, Okafor could wind up in Nawlins.
----With the huge jump in the salary cap, Sacto will have no trouble paying Rondo, and he's been Booggie's unofficial psychiatrist. Thus I doubt they'd let Rajon go for Teague, unless they're also dumping Cousins. Can't see them blowing the team up that way. Also McLemore has been improving his 3 point shooting - up to .362% now. Now's not the time to dump him.
---- I just can't see the Cavs saying goodbye to Kyrie. No way.
Sure Thibs would want Butler this way. Doubt the Bulls would let him go only for potential stars.
----No way are the Lakers that dumb to make such a trade, and it's not that good for the Celts either.
The Sixers could make a better trade with Danny. Otherwise, yes, Okafor could wind up in Nawlins.
----With the huge jump in the salary cap, Sacto will have no trouble paying Rondo, and he's been Booggie's unofficial psychiatrist. Thus I doubt they'd let Rajon go for Teague, unless they're also dumping Cousins. Can't see them blowing the team up that way. Also McLemore has been improving his 3 point shooting - up to .362% now. Now's not the time to dump him.
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Re: Chad Ford Suggests Interesting Celtics-Lakers trade
by NYCelt Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:24 pm
worcester wrote:Chad Ford has quite the active imagination. I wonder what the Vegas odds would be on any of his ideas coming true.
---- I just can't see the Cavs saying goodbye to Kyrie. No way.
Sure Thibs would want Butler this way. Doubt the Bulls would let him go only for potential stars.
----No way are the Lakers that dumb to make such a trade, and it's not that good for the Celts either.
The Sixers could make a better trade with Danny. Otherwise, yes, Okafor could wind up in Nawlins.
----With the huge jump in the salary cap, Sacto will have no trouble paying Rondo, and he's been Booggie's unofficial psychiatrist. Thus I doubt they'd let Rajon go for Teague, unless they're also dumping Cousins. Can't see them blowing the team up that way. Also McLemore has been improving his 3 point shooting - up to .362% now. Now's not the time to dump him.
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I make those pretty long odds!
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Re: Chad Ford Suggests Interesting Celtics-Lakers trade
by tjmakz Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:55 pm
I think Cleveland would do this deal in a second.
To get Carmelo, Bledsoe and Robin Lopez for Irving and Love, these 3 seem like a better fit with their skills compared to Irving and Love.
The Chicago trade proposal seems realistic.
I'm still not sure it's enough.
Teams will have to give up tons to get Jimmy Butler.
To get Carmelo, Bledsoe and Robin Lopez for Irving and Love, these 3 seem like a better fit with their skills compared to Irving and Love.
The Chicago trade proposal seems realistic.
I'm still not sure it's enough.
Teams will have to give up tons to get Jimmy Butler.
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Re: Chad Ford Suggests Interesting Celtics-Lakers trade
by dboss Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:19 pm
When I look at the draft, potential trades and free agency signings I try to remain consistent as it relates to team needs.
As a result when I see proposed trades and take exception it is simply because the player or players coming back do not appear to address a team need.
The team needs that I am referring to are related to improved 3 point shooting and better post defense and strong rebounding. I
So when a trade idea pops up like the Lakers/Celtics one, I look carefully at who is involved and if they fill a specific need or needs.
Russell is a point guard although he looks more like a shoot first pass second PG. His 1.4 assist to Turnover ratio may just be the result of him still learning how to play. But maybe not. Regardless we have 3 PG's on the roster already. So he would become what? The next Evan Turner? I would rather draft Denzel Valentine. Oh he can play shooting guard. Okay but I would draft Hield or Murray if I want to add a top of the line shooting guard.
Then You have Randle whom I really liked before the draft 2 years ago. He is a very strong rebounder. He can score in the paint but is still only in the low 40's Defensively he has a relatively short wingspan and is not a good post defender. He is also a horrendous shooter from distance.
The trade suggests that we give up our #3 and # 16 picks plus Jonas Jerebko, R.J. Hunter and Jordan Mickey .
The Celtics can draft better players than both Russell and Randle with the 3rd and 16th pick so why would we want to trade for them and give up those picks plus players. I think Mickey given playing time will more than equal whatever Randle brings to the table plus Mickey can actually play defense.
This trade clearly favors the lakers. Chad Ford's arguments on how it help Boston does not make any sense to me. now if we would be getting the lakers # 2 pick as part of the deal I may wake up from my nap.
dboss
As a result when I see proposed trades and take exception it is simply because the player or players coming back do not appear to address a team need.
The team needs that I am referring to are related to improved 3 point shooting and better post defense and strong rebounding. I
So when a trade idea pops up like the Lakers/Celtics one, I look carefully at who is involved and if they fill a specific need or needs.
Russell is a point guard although he looks more like a shoot first pass second PG. His 1.4 assist to Turnover ratio may just be the result of him still learning how to play. But maybe not. Regardless we have 3 PG's on the roster already. So he would become what? The next Evan Turner? I would rather draft Denzel Valentine. Oh he can play shooting guard. Okay but I would draft Hield or Murray if I want to add a top of the line shooting guard.
Then You have Randle whom I really liked before the draft 2 years ago. He is a very strong rebounder. He can score in the paint but is still only in the low 40's Defensively he has a relatively short wingspan and is not a good post defender. He is also a horrendous shooter from distance.
The trade suggests that we give up our #3 and # 16 picks plus Jonas Jerebko, R.J. Hunter and Jordan Mickey .
The Celtics can draft better players than both Russell and Randle with the 3rd and 16th pick so why would we want to trade for them and give up those picks plus players. I think Mickey given playing time will more than equal whatever Randle brings to the table plus Mickey can actually play defense.
This trade clearly favors the lakers. Chad Ford's arguments on how it help Boston does not make any sense to me. now if we would be getting the lakers # 2 pick as part of the deal I may wake up from my nap.
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Re: Chad Ford Suggests Interesting Celtics-Lakers trade
by Shamrock1000 Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:18 pm
tjmakz wrote:I think Cleveland would do this deal in a second.
To get Carmelo, Bledsoe and Robin Lopez for Irving and Love, these 3 seem like a better fit with their skills compared to Irving and Love.
The Chicago trade proposal seems realistic.
I'm still not sure it's enough.
Teams will have to give up tons to get Jimmy Butler.
Is Jimmy Butler really that good? He certainly has had nice numbers the past two years, but I don't feel like he is quite in the superstar category. The Bulls have had talent around him these last two years (and a competent coach in Thibs for one of those years), and yet they still haven't reallly done that well. I know they had some injuries, but whatever he brings, it doesn't seem to translate into wins. Look what IT did for the Celts, and I don't think IT could command the return people are saying Butler is worth. I realize he is still pretty young, and has defensive abilities that the Celtics love, but he has really only had two years playing at an all-star level. I haven't seen him play that much, so maybe I'm missing something???
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