Celts Just Gave Away Eddie House

Since Rivers has stated that Robinson and Daniels are out of the rotation, that means they will not be a meaningful part of the play offs and will be just practice players for all intents and purposes. Eddie House was for all intents and purposes gift wrapped to the Knicks. How dumb was that! Previous strokes of Ainge & managements genious: Let Posey walk, let Powe walk! Do we see a pattern here? Daniels athleticism will be wasted also! What a Low Down Dirty Shame! (Not the 1994 Keenan Ivory Wayans Movie)-MD.

What has Posey or Powe done this season?
And what has House done for the knicks for that matter?
Would he have done more for us?

Cry if he doesnt make a move and bitch when he does.

MD quit with the chicken little crap

beat

Beat: Come to think of it, not only House was gift wrapped to New York, so was Walker & Giddens, and for what? If you're going to associate me with someone named Little, don't make it Chicken, make it Larry, formerly of the undefeated 1972 Miami Dolphins!-MD.

MD,

Grady?

gyso

PS: One never knows what will happen during the next couple of months. Ask a Buck fan his opinion of projecting the recent past out to the future. Of the two, I expect Nate will be the one who may play a meaningful part in the playoffs.

Call it what you want MD.
Everyones entitled.

None of the mentioned players (with possible exception of Walker) had a future here. To many bodies in front of them.

Letting Posey go was a no brainer. We made a fair offer he went for more.

Powe is a wonderful story we all wish him well but he has done little for Cleveland since working his ars off to come back. He does not look comfortable in the few times I saw him.

Eddie was struggleing with us as a BU PG and his shooting was sporadic at best. Giddings was not being used nor was walker.

Robinson can handle the ball and shoot it but as ye t has not found his way consistantly.

We are talking about role players anyway.

If Cleveland is to go anywhere it wont be because of Powe.

What's done is done. I'm looking ahead not in the rearview mirror.

beat

I'd like to look ahead too! I'd like to look ahead to a young core of players that can grow together, but such is not the case for Celtic fans! I just hope Ainge will take a chance and put some kind of package togather that can pry Greg Oden away from Portland! I'd bet he can get over his injuries and become a dominant center in this league. (closer to a Parrish that a Sam Bowie) I just hope he finds his way to the Celts long before Walton and Gilmore did! The Thunder have a great situation as do the Hawks, although Atlanta is further along. If OKC can keep Durant, and the Hawks can keep Joe Johnson both will be major forces in their respective conferences!-MD.

oden?

Yep and if that happens you'll piss and moan that he's hurt/ or sucks.

Even when he has played he has not excelled.

Rolling the dice on him is a long long shot.

beat

beat wrote:Call it what you want MD.
Everyones entitled.

None of the mentioned players (with possible exception of Walker) had a future here. To many bodies in front of them.

Letting Posey go was a no brainer. We made a fair offer he went for more.

Powe is a wonderful story we all wish him well but he has done little for Cleveland since working his ars off to come back. He does not look comfortable in the few times I saw him.

Eddie was struggleing with us as a BU PG and his shooting was sporadic at best. Giddings was not being used nor was walker.

Robinson can handle the ball and shoot it but as ye t has not found his way consistantly.

We are talking about role players anyway.

If Cleveland is to go anywhere it wont be because of Powe.

What's done is done. I'm looking ahead not in the rearview mirror.

beat

beat,

I agree with you. If Boston goes far into the playoffs it will be because of Rondo, Pierce and KG.
Nate, House, Walker and Giddens are all role players.
If Nate couldn't be a real factor in D'antoni's high tempo offense, he probably won't be a good fit for the Celtics who shoot the least amount of shots in the NBA.
If New Orleans could give away Posey and his contract they would.
Powe has done very little in the NBA since he left Boston.

It doesn't matter to me what Posey or Powe have or have not done elsewhere (not St.). They were a perfect fit in and for Boston's purpose! The C's are not getting James, Wade, Bosh or any other mega free agent so other options need to be explored above looking for nearly washed up free agents to bleed what little life is left in them. Some of these guys must use Depends instead of jock straps. I f we stand pat or do not get younger and more athletic to build around Rondo's strengths, we'll be sliding quicker than a tractor trailer (not Traylor) on an oil spill down highway 95. Anybody still got Sweetney's phone number?

MD

How many times............

Posey was made a fair offer AND CHOSE TO GO!
Powe would not have played any more for us than he has in Cleveland and maybe less.

Time to move on.

beat

Beat: Posey wanted a four year deal and was offered a three year deal at age 31. Had the deal been offered from Boston at four years Posey would have been age 35 at deal's expiration. 'Sheed is 35 now and was signed to a three year deal which will make him 38 if he lasts that long, when his deal expires. "Sheed has done less for Boston than either Posey or Powe. How little sense the offer to 'Sheed makes in retrospect, to the offer that SHOULD have been made to Posey!-MD.

Bottom line he was offered a fair contract and went elsewhere.
Quibble over a year all you want.

Having him as a role player would not make a hoot of a difference IMHO.

Lets go back and redo every GD thing

beat

First of all, Doc is saying that Quis and Nate WILL play in the playoffs. He's just sitting them NOW. So nobody is throwing them into the trash heap, MD. Quis and Nate have both played well for Boston since coming here, they're just in a slump now and Tony Allen and Finley are playing well and are earning their minutes. Don't you think players who earn their minutes should get those minutes regardless of whether that makes other trades and signings look bad? Doesn't Tony Allen's play of-late make Danny's signing of him to a two-year contract two years ago even though he had knee problems look prescient now? Doesn't Danny's signing of Finley look smart now?

Secondly, I love Leon, but he had a bad, bad knee operation. He had surgery in April, I guess, and he didn't come back until February or March. That should tell you right there just how serious it was and it wasn't his first. We signed Shelden Williams to replace him. Aren't you the guy who's been calling for Williams to play more? So why is Williams instead of Leon such a big loss if Williams is looking so good he should play more?

Thirdly, you say you don't care about how well players, like Posey, are doing with other teams you just know they fit well with Boston. Well, Walker was VERY inconsistent with Boston. He constantly blew defensive assignments. That's not important in Mike D'Antoni's run-and-gun-no-defense style of play in NY but it matters a lot in Boston. JR never got off the bench with Boston. We didn't give anything away there.

bob

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MDCelticsFan wrote:The C's are not getting James, Wade, Bosh or any other mega free agent so other options need to be explored above looking for nearly washed up free agents to bleed what little life is left in them. Some of these guys must use Depends instead of jock straps. If we stand pat or do not get younger and more athletic to build around Rondo's strengths, we'll be sliding quicker than a tractor trailer (not Traylor) on an oil spill down highway 95. Anybody still got Sweetney's phone number?

MD,

I think you just described Posey in his current and future capacity.

Sheed is 6'-11" and therefore cannot be compared to Posey. Perhaps PJ Brown, but not Posey.

Sweetney? I thought you just said "more athletic?

Owwww!!! Dagnabbit!! A piece of sky just hit me!!!

gyso

It's interesting that, in this entire thread, mention has not been made of a guy who I feel could potentially be the "X" factor. I don't believe trades can be looked at in a vacuum. A general manager certainly doesn't look at things that way. Essentially, the Celtics let Eddie, Walker and Giddens go and brought in Nate and Finley.

In the past Eddie had been a sparkplug as a shooter, but he was prone to extended slumps and was undersized for his most appropriate position. (I loved his energy, but it took him only so far.) More and more, as I see Doc shaping his playoff rotation, it's looking like a House for Finley move. (It may not have been intended that way, but that seems to be how it's turning out.)

In Finley, they have a guy who's got exceptional length at the "2" and decent length at the "3." In Eddie, they had a guy who was woefully undersized for his only appropriate position—the "2." In Finley they have a guy who's shooting .544 and .409 from the arc. In Eddie, the Knicks have a guy who's shooting .331 and .250 from the arc. Moreover, Finley is a fine shooter from either mid-range and long-distance, and he seems more comfortable and wily in creating his shot under pressure. Eddie was pretty much a one-trick pony on offense, and he never created his own shot.

So, in my book, it's Finley for Eddie. For the Knicks, the bonus is two young guys who may or may not have promising futures but not soon enough to make this season's Celtics playoff rotation. (Walker scores points, but this Celtics game is based largely on finesse and teamwork, not just points—and he still hasn't learned how to play the game.)

For the Celts, the bonus is Nate, who is also undersized but is also outshooting Eddie by a wide margin—.428 from the field and .357 from the arc. His value in the playoffs may very well be only as an emergency little man. Whereas Eddie's energy was appealing, Nate's energy can actually impact a game.

Yes, yes, yes, I know that the issue for many people is the future. Not developing young guys. I'm happy to let Danny wrestle with that one because the Celtics didn't send my transaction consultant's check this month. Four years ago, I was hearing how the Celtics had too many young guys and the closest thing to a savior on the horizon was Yi. And you know what? Danny did a great job of dealing with that situation—even better than I could have done. I believe it's called a championship.

Maybe it's just my age, but I hope it's more a matter wisdom that compels me to be more concerned about a present that I can embrace rather than a future I can do nothing about.

Sam

Sam: If you could bottle the last paragraph, I think you might just have the start of a philosophical book that could outsell Aesop's Fables!-MD.

MD,

Yeah, any time I mention myself and wisdom in the same paragraph, my wife calls it a fable.

Sam

This is the summer that Ainge has his work cut out for him. In order for them to be competitive 2-5 years down the road, they have to do something bold, not just re-sign RA, make a draft pick and sign a few free agent spare parts. Outside of Rondo, Boston has very little trade value in their players because of age, health, big contracts or more then one of these. I am curious to see how Ainge can get the Celtics younger and more athletic while staying a top tier team.

Winning the championship made the KG and RA trades a success. Even though the future would be brighter with Al Jefferson, Jeff Green and the #5 draft pick that they gave back to Minnesota, there is no way of knowing how good Boston would have been.

Sam wrote:MD,

Yeah, any time I mention myself and wisdom in the same paragraph, my wife calls it a fable.

Sam

sam,

Remind her that "fable" is where the word "fabulous" comes from. See if that doesn't send her into apoplectic contortions of laughter.

bob

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Bob,

Yeah, it worked.

Sam

tjmakz wrote:This is the summer that Ainge has his work cut out for him. In order for them to be competitive 2-5 years down the road, they have to do something bold, not just re-sign RA, make a draft pick and sign a few free agent spare parts. Outside of Rondo, Boston has very little trade value in their players because of age, health, big contracts or more then one of these. I am curious to see how Ainge can get the Celtics younger and more athletic while staying a top tier team.

Winning the championship made the KG and RA trades a success. Even though the future would be brighter with Al Jefferson, Jeff Green and the #5 draft pick that they gave back to Minnesota, there is no way of knowing how good Boston would have been.

tj,

You're right, there is no way of knowing how good Boston would have been with the old team. We do know how good Boston has been with the new team.

Danny does have his work cut out for him, I agree, but a championship in the hand (or rather, on the finger) is worth two in the bush.

bob


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MDCelticsFan wrote:It doesn't matter to me what Posey or Powe have or have not done elsewhere (not St.). They were a perfect fit in and for Boston's purpose! The C's are not getting James, Wade, Bosh or any other mega free agent so other options need to be explored above looking for nearly washed up free agents to bleed what little life is left in them. Some of these guys must use Depends instead of jock straps. I f we stand pat or do not get younger and more athletic to build around Rondo's strengths, we'll be sliding quicker than a tractor trailer (not Traylor) on an oil spill down highway 95. Anybody still got Sweetney's phone number?

MD....please...Powe may have been a good fit here before he was injured but it's pretty hard to say what kind of fit he would be now. As for Posey, he wanted big money, gotta let him go IMHO, if you don't think he's worth that much money. I hated to see him go cause of the chemistry he had with this team.
I think you need to level the criticism against Ainge about Hudson and Daniels AFTER the playoffs have occurred. You may be right, but the fat lady hasn't sung them off the stage yet.

Sam wrote:MD,

Yeah, any time I mention myself and wisdom in the same paragraph, my wife calls it a fable.

Sam

One of the jobs of a good wife, Sam....Keeping us real...
My wife doesn't call it a fable when I mention wisdom and myself together...She just starts laughing..

LACELT

They never would have won title #17 with those players, that's for sure.
Look at what is going on in Minnesota right now. It looks as if Jefferson is going to be traded in the off season. So, what makes you think he would be any better here? As far as Jeff Green is concerned, he was the #5 pick, so we would have either gotten him and traded him, or kept him and probably be disappointed. He does okay in his Oklahoma world, but Boston is a bit different. Move on, forget what was or might have been and look to the future. I am sure there are plenty of moves that are going to be made in the off season.

Rosalie,

To clarify, the major players in the Garnett and Allen trades were Al Jefferson, Jeff Green AND the rights to the 2009 #5 pick that Boston had from a previous trade. Minnesota chose Johnny Flynn. (Stephen Curry was still available.)
See the trade details below:

Garnett:
July 31, 2007: Traded by the Minnesota Timberwolves to the Boston Celtics for Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green, Al Jefferson, Theo Ratliff, Sebastian Telfair, a 2009 1st round draft pick (Jonny Flynn) and a 2009 1st round draft pick (Wayne Ellington).

Ray Allen:
June 28, 2007: Traded by the Seattle Supersonics with Glen Davis to the Boston Celtics for Jeff Green, Wally Szczerbiak, Delonte West and a 2008 2nd round draft pick (Trent Plaisted).