Re: Brad, learn something from this game. You too Danny.

by **NYCelt** Mon May 08, 2017 4:02 pm

dboss wrote:I do not particularly like lineup changes. The Celtics started Amir Johnson 77 games this year. There is a reason why that worked.

Brad has been tweaking the lineup throughout the playoffs. The rotation has also been questionable. There is no doubt in my mind that both Rozier and Brown need to be in the rotation even though at times they get lost but I think they must play and play well for us to win the series.

Teams needs are pretty much the same as they have been for the last few years.

We need an athletic big (defend, rebound run, score, etc) and a reliable shooter/scorer off the bench.

dboss

dboss,

Reasonable, and well said.

Regards

by **tjmakz** Mon May 08, 2017 4:09 pm

bobheckler wrote:
RosalieTCeltics wrote:Kyle Lowry? going to test free agency. He sure can shoot

Rosalie,

I believe he is a restricted free agent. That means he can entertain offers from other teams but Toronto has the right to match-and-keep him if they choose.

Wouldn't bother me in the least if he left our conference...

bob

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Kyle Lowry will be an unrestricted free agent when he opts out of the final year of his contract.
He said today that he will opt out.
It's an interesting but not very surprising story out today that Philly will make a big run at Lowry this summer.

by **dboss** Mon May 08, 2017 4:33 pm

NYCelt wrote:
dboss wrote:I do not particularly like lineup changes. The Celtics started Amir Johnson 77 games this year. There is a reason why that worked.

Brad has been tweaking the lineup throughout the playoffs. The rotation has also been questionable. There is no doubt in my mind that both Rozier and Brown need to be in the rotation even though at times they get lost but I think they must play and play well for us to win the series.

Teams needs are pretty much the same as they have been for the last few years.

We need an athletic big (defend, rebound run, score, etc) and a reliable shooter/scorer off the bench.

dboss

dboss,

Reasonable, and well said.

Regards

Thanks NYCelt

by **dboss** Mon May 08, 2017 4:38 pm

tjmakz wrote:
bobheckler wrote:
RosalieTCeltics wrote:Kyle Lowry? going to test free agency. He sure can shoot

Rosalie,

I believe he is a restricted free agent. That means he can entertain offers from other teams but Toronto has the right to match-and-keep him if they choose.

Wouldn't bother me in the least if he left our conference...

bob

.

Kyle Lowry will be an unrestricted free agent when he opts out of the final year of his contract.
He said today that he will opt out.
It's an interesting but not very surprising story out today that Philly will make a big run at Lowry this summer.

TJ

I can see Philly doing that . I think Lowry played for Villanova. They have cap space and really need a lead guard. However Lowry is 31 and wants big dough. Would you make a $25 mill investment for him? i certainly would not.

dboss

by **RosalieTCeltics** Mon May 08, 2017 4:40 pm

I have to wonder how many free agents are going to be available this season. It would be no surprise to me to see Hayward resign with Utah considering the playoff run they have had and the team they are building. So, forget him. Butler, Chicago is going to want a kings ransom for him He is good, but how much are we willing to give up?

So, we go the trade route???? Who do we go after? This is going to be heck of an off season.

So will all that, do we wish for a quick exit so that we will not have to watch the Cavs crucify the Celtics??? I am the biggest fan they have but after watching last night,I really have to wonder what these next few games will be. Did they peak too soon? Did they ride IT too much? So many questions, but I suppose we should just let the chips fall where they may, and wait for the fall out later

by **tjmakz** Mon May 08, 2017 4:45 pm

dboss wrote:
tjmakz wrote:
bobheckler wrote:
RosalieTCeltics wrote:Kyle Lowry? going to test free agency. He sure can shoot

Rosalie,

I believe he is a restricted free agent. That means he can entertain offers from other teams but Toronto has the right to match-and-keep him if they choose.

Wouldn't bother me in the least if he left our conference...

bob

.

Kyle Lowry will be an unrestricted free agent when he opts out of the final year of his contract.
He said today that he will opt out.
It's an interesting but not very surprising story out today that Philly will make a big run at Lowry this summer.

TJ

I can see Philly doing that . I think Lowry played for Villanova. They have cap space and really need a lead guard. However Lowry is 31 and wants big dough. Would you make a $25 mill investment for him? i certainly would not.

dboss

Maybe 3 years/$60m for Lowry.
I wouldn't want to give $25m/year for 4 years to a 31 year whose game is highly dependent on his speed.

by **worcester** Mon May 08, 2017 7:36 pm

dboss wrote:I do not particularly like lineup changes. The Celtics started Amir Johnson 77 games this year. There is a reason why that worked.

Brad has been tweaking the lineup throughout the playoffs. The rotation has also been questionable. There is no doubt in my mind that both Rozier and Brown need to be in the rotation even though at times they get lost but I think they must play and play well for us to win the series.

Teams needs are pretty much the same as they have been for the last few years.

We need an athletic big (defend, rebound run, score, etc) and a reliable shooter/scorer off the bench.

dboss

Thanks for restating what should be obvious to Brad and every Celtic fan.

by **NYCelt** Mon May 08, 2017 9:35 pm

Re; Lowry... he says he would like to head west.

by **fierce** Mon May 08, 2017 9:55 pm

kdp59 wrote:Money should not be an issue as long as the Celts keep winning.

Besides, Horford's contract will be over in 2020.
Thomas' contract will start in 2018-19.
So I don't think luxury tax will be an issue, if that's what you're worried about.

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I don;t get paid to worry about it, though i do keep my eyes on team salary and cap issues.

I'm not concerned with two max or near max players, but what about guiys like Bradley (up next year with Thomas) , Kelly (RFA this year), Smart (RFA next years I believe). IF you want to keep them they will all cost at least twice their current deals (some much more).

I do not think we can re-sign both Bradley and IT to market deals. not to mention many here want a max FA signing in this off-season.

If Danny just tries to keep the current team together he would likely have over $100M in a few players ( Horford -$27M), IT and Bradley ( $50M combined), Smart ($12M?), Kelly ($12M). That leaves no rom for another $20M player, much less max guy and even without it we could be close to the tax line or above.

if we let any of them walk we need to replace them. Are we going to be on the young /cheap player treadmill forever?

at some point you have to get and PAY players. Tough decisions that Danny has coming up the next two years, IMO.

I think Ainge only keeps all the players if the Celts can't sign a max FA this summer.

If the Celtics can steal Hayward from the Jazz then guys like Crowder and Bradley need to go.

But if the Celts come up empty in free-agency, Ainge can PAY the players that need to be paid.

by **dboss** Mon May 08, 2017 10:17 pm

Do not forget defense.

by **Ktronic1** Tue May 09, 2017 9:24 am

Ive been saying all along that Bradley needs to go. Like the dude. Love his defense but he is too inconsistent to be a starting 2 and gets hurt way too much.
He and Crowder can go but a BIG FAT NO to trading IT.

by **fierce** Tue May 09, 2017 10:05 am

Ktronic1 wrote:Ive been saying all along that Bradley needs to go. Like the dude. Love his defense but he is too inconsistent to be a starting 2 and gets hurt way too much.
He and Crowder can go but a BIG FAT NO to trading IT.

You don't believe the Celts can get a lottery pick for Bradley?

by **worcester** Tue May 09, 2017 11:00 am

We've got plenty of draft picks. We need a seasoned quality veteran.

by **fierce** Tue May 09, 2017 11:12 am

worcester wrote:We've got plenty of draft picks. We need a seasoned quality veteran.

Teams like Chicago or the Pacers might not want Bradley.
They will prefer draft picks so that they can rebuild.

If the Celts can trade Bradley for a lottery pick, Ainge can then include that lottery pick in a package for Jimmy Butler or Paul George.

by **worcester** Tue May 09, 2017 11:15 am

Now I get your reasoning.

by **wideclyde** Tue May 09, 2017 1:05 pm

I like Bradley, but doubt that trading him alone will bring back a lottery pick. I would not trade a lottery pick for him, so can't imagine any team doing so either.

He is a good player, but is going to become pretty expensive after next season and will be over 30 at the end of his next contract when he is signed/resigned after the 2018 season. It has been mentioned that he is often injured. He is also not yet a player without a major flaw-distributing the ball mostly in my eyes.

by **tjmakz** Tue May 09, 2017 1:10 pm

Bradley might fetch lottery pick #13 or #14.
He's not worth giving up a top 7 or top 10 pick, especially with only 1 year left on his contract.

by **Shamrock1000** Tue May 09, 2017 9:20 pm

kdp59 wrote:
fierce wrote:I believe it's a given that Crowder and Bradley are gone if the Celts lose to the Wiz.

Hopefully the Celts can get another lottery pick for Bradley.

Sixers were interested in Bradley at the trade deadline this year.

It's like trading Malik Monk for Avery Bradley.

The Sixers really need some veteran players who can be a good example on and off the court.
Avery Bradley is that guy.

"IF" Bradley goes to the sixers I would expect Okafor to be return NOT another draft pick.

Danny and Brad will need to get vets (and bigger players) not more youngsters, IMO.

Bigger problem we have now is that Washington has figured out how to play IT. Double him and close it up inside (less whistles in the playoffs) and abuse him when he's trying to play defense. We all love the guys grit and heart, but Danny may have to do some deep thinking in the off-season about Thomas, with his contract coming up soon.

all that said, unless something changes the rest of the playoffs, I could see THOMAS being the guy traded for a big man this off-season. Always sell high and buy low, as they say.

Which players would you actually trade Thomas for? For me, all the players I would consider giving up someone of IT's caliber are not going anywhere. People seriously undervalue this guy...Seems to me trading Thomas for anyone other than the few unmovables would be the very definition of "buying high"

by **fierce** Tue May 09, 2017 9:24 pm

Shamrock1000 wrote:
kdp59 wrote:
fierce wrote:I believe it's a given that Crowder and Bradley are gone if the Celts lose to the Wiz.

Hopefully the Celts can get another lottery pick for Bradley.

Sixers were interested in Bradley at the trade deadline this year.

It's like trading Malik Monk for Avery Bradley.

The Sixers really need some veteran players who can be a good example on and off the court.
Avery Bradley is that guy.

"IF" Bradley goes to the sixers I would expect Okafor to be return NOT another draft pick.

Danny and Brad will need to get vets (and bigger players) not more youngsters, IMO.

Bigger problem we have now is that Washington has figured out how to play IT. Double him and close it up inside (less whistles in the playoffs) and abuse him when he's trying to play defense. We all love the guys grit and heart, but Danny may have to do some deep thinking in the off-season about Thomas, with his contract coming up soon.

all that said, unless something changes the rest of the playoffs, I could see THOMAS being the guy traded for a big man this off-season. Always sell high and buy low, as they say.

Which players would you actually trade Thomas for? For me, all the players I would consider giving up someone of IT's caliber are not going anywhere. People seriously undervalue this guy...Seems to me trading Thomas for anyone other than the few unmovables would be the very definition of "buying high"

True.

by **Ktronic1** Tue May 09, 2017 9:40 pm

kdp59 wrote:
fierce wrote:
kdp59 wrote:
fierce wrote:I believe it's a given that Crowder and Bradley are gone if the Celts lose to the Wiz.

Hopefully the Celts can get another lottery pick for Bradley.

Sixers were interested in Bradley at the trade deadline this year.

It's like trading Malik Monk for Avery Bradley.

The Sixers really need some veteran players who can be a good example on and off the court.
Avery Bradley is that guy.

"IF" Bradley goes to the sixers I would expect Okafor to be return NOT another draft pick.

Danny and Brad will need to get vets (and bigger players) not more youngsters, IMO.

Bigger problem we have now is that Washington has figured out how to play IT. Double him and close it up inside (less whistles in the playoffs) and abuse him when he's trying to play defense. We all love the guys grit and heart, but Danny may have to do some deep thinking in the off-season about Thomas, with his contract coming up soon.

all that said, unless something changes the rest of the playoffs, I could see THOMAS being the guy traded for a big man this off-season. Always sell high and buy low, as they say.

If Celts get a lottery pick for Bradley, Ainge can then use that lottery pick in a trade for Jimmy Butler.

The Celts are better off keeping Thomas for a number of reasons.

I mean would you trade Isaiah Thomas for Drummond or DeAndre Jordan?

Celts will not get an Anthony Davis or a Karl Towns for Thomas.

Ainge will not get equal value for Thomas.

I mean would you trade Isaiah Thomas for Drummond or DeAndre Jordan?

my answer would be yes to Drummond no on Jordan. Drummond is udner contract for three more years with a player option after that. Jordan for only one year.

Thomas, as much as I like him, will cost the same after next year and we see what happens to 5-9 guys in the NBA playoffs.

Just my opinion

They score 53 points. Just my opinion

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