Our medical staff and advising against surgery

What is it with these guys???

Is this why Lacerte was nudged out the door?

I mean it is not just IT.

Had KG had surgery in Feb of 2009 when he initially got hurt then maybe he would have been ready for the 2nd rd or eastern conference finals 10-12 weks later. Instead the team suggested no surgery, rushed him back in a month, watched him drag one leg around at the end of the regular season and then shut him down and waited until after the playoffs to have him go under the knife. He was never the same again.

I also recall the team thinking LaFrentz did not need surgery back in 2003-04, and despite him not being a focal point of the team's future he was only 27-28 years old and they forced him to play 17 miserable games and once again he was NEVER the same player. I think Dallas even said before the C's traded Antoine for him that he might need surgery and Boston was like, "nah, he's good." Anyone remember the details there?

Did we learn NOTHING from McHale?

So we went from IT might be out a few months and the Cavs are trying to milk the Celtics for more assets, to the organization has had a poor medical team in place since the days of Kevin McHale?

Man that is quite a leap.

mrkleen09 wrote:So we went from IT might be out a few months and the Cavs are trying to milk the Celtics for more assets, to the organization has had a poor medical team in place since the days of Kevin McHale?

Man that is quite a leap.  

Who is we?

I went from being annoyed by what they did with LaFrentz to furious with what they did with KG over a 6 year span between 2003-2009.

Now I'm simply curious to know if two of biggest names on the training staff leaving this summer has anything to do with yet ANOTHER decision to withhold surgery that obviously may be about to blow up in their faces. Again.

I never said it "went back to McHale" I said the franchise clearly didn't learn its lesson from McHale when faced with similar decisions 15-20 years later. If you think there are no questions to be asked here, especially after they messed up KG, then you have your head in the sand for sure.

We is you - trying to make a story where none exists.

It's been 23 years since Kevin McHale retired. There isnt one team in professional sports that you could review for 23 years and not find some injuries which might have been handled better. That is a major reach.

As for KG, he showed up here with 100K miles on his tires - absolutely no way the Celtics training and medical staff bears any semblance of blame for his injuries. Those same people keep Paul Pierce healthy for the majority of his career. To pull red herrings from a barrel and hold them up as examples is utterly ridiculous.

mrkleen09 wrote:We is you - trying to make a story where none exists.

It's been 23 years since Kevin McHale retired.  There isnt one team in professional sports that you could review for 23 years and not find some injuries which might have been handled better.  That is a major reach.

As for KG, he showed up here with 100K miles on his tires - absolutely no way the Celtics training and medical staff bears any semblance of blame for his injuries.  Those same people keep Paul Pierce healthy for the majority of his career.  To pull red herrings from a barrel and hold them up as examples is utterly ridiculous.  

Brian Williams told um !!

beat

Again, easy to point fingers when you have NO IDEA what truly went on. Ed Lacerte is a highly regarded trainer. Time for a change, period. Everyone is pointing fingers here and it is wrong.
IT also bears some responsibility here to. He saw a private doctor in Seattle. Let's just wait this out and stop dragging up stories of players who were hurt and took forever to get better. this is foolish

mrkleen09 wrote:We is you - trying to make a story where none exists.

It's been 23 years since Kevin McHale retired.  There isnt one team in professional sports that you could review for 23 years and not find some injuries which might have been handled better.  That is a major reach.

As for KG, he showed up here with 100K miles on his tires - absolutely no way the Celtics training and medical staff bears any semblance of blame for his injuries.  Those same people keep Paul Pierce healthy for the majority of his career.  To pull red herrings from a barrel and hold them up as examples is utterly ridiculous.  

You are having a real hard time following the thought process here man, what gives?

McHale ignored Doc's orders famously in '87 to play on a broken foot b/c he may have never had another title shot (he was right). But no doctor who saw his injury suggested he not go under the knife. He did. And it ruined his career within 3-4 years by age 32.

Nobody said KG's injuries were a result of the medical staff. He had miles on him. Duh. It was the medical staff advising him to forgo surgery and try to rush back and play that made him much less of a player 2010-12 than he could have been had he just had a 3 month procedure in Feb of '09 instead of 'resting' a month then dragging his worthless leg around for 3 regular season games aggravating the whole injury and only after the C's were eliminated by the Magic did he have surgery almost FOUR MONTHS after he could have. That messed up the rest of his career in Boston. Maybe he came back at 85-90% of his '08 self for the 2010 Finals instead of 50% and then finally getting back to 60-70% by 2012 before a rapid decline.

Ainge said he would not do with the new Big 3 what Red did with the old one, but then he went ahead and delayed surgery on KG. Even though he and his staff had nothing to do with '87 McHale's decisions, clearly they have allowed the same situation happen to KG and maybe with Thomas.

Stevens said days before the trade that they were set to re-evaluate Thomas in early September and really had no idea how the hip was looking as far as what an in-depth MRI would tell them. Thomas was just rehabbing along at his own pace this summer and people involved in his training were saying he was 'working hard' and 'getting closer' but nobody had looked inside his hip since May or June or w/e they foolishly decided surgery was not needed.

Three times in 23 years Dr Bleedgreen disagreed with the medical staff of the Celtics and New England Baptist, one of the best orthopedic hospitals in the world. Sorry if I dont see a trend.

mrkleen09 wrote:Three times in 23 years Dr Bleedgreen disagreed with the medical staff of the Celtics and New England Baptist, one of the best orthopedic hospitals in the world.  Sorry if I dont see a trend.

Wow our math is a bit off huh?

3 times in 14 years (LaFrentz, KG and IT)

The doctors themselves told McHale not to play and I was not saying his situation was on any medical staff or anyone but himself.

Nobody can deny that LaFrentz and KG were never the same again after postponing surgery and trying to play through an injury after some rest and then in retrospect should have just had the surgery. IT is definitely trending in that direction. And some long-time medical staff just resigned this summer. But I guess you must be right Kleen, nothing to see here.

The Boston Celtics do not and have never had any issues with their medical staff mishandeling players.

As I said like 4 times already (and this will be the last), you picking out a few red herrings over a 20+ year window proves nothing. If anything the fact that you had to dig so hard to find ANY examples, proves how ridiculous your conspiracy theory is.

mrkleen09 wrote:The Boston Celtics do not and have never had any issues with their medical staff mishandeling players.

As I said like 4 times already (and this will be the last), you picking out a few red herrings over a 20+ year window proves nothing.  If anything the fact that you had to dig so hard to find ANY examples, proves how ridiculous your conspiracy theory is.

I had to dig hard? Ha!

Do you follow this team?

The fact that KG's surgery was dragged out months after he was rushed back onto the court when he CLEARLY was not healthy and could not perform is called MISHANDLING A PLAYER. You don't get that? It was just 7-8 years ago fans were in an uproar over this after his mediocre 2009-10 season.

Conspiracy theory? It's a FACT based on what everyone saw and the club said retroactively that they'd have done it differently if they could go back. C's had a small title window and blew a chance at KG being a better player 2010-12 to see if he could get back on the court right before the playoffs in 2009. It was foolish, medically irresponsible and blew up in their faces.

2-3 such instances over a 14 year (20+? Again, your math is horrible) period of time is not a conspiracy theory. It is hardly proof of their medical staff being 2nd rate or anything, and may have had nothing to do with the resignations of top training staff guys, but trying to say there was no issue at all is also false. They clearly blew it with KG and LaFrentz and we might be about to find out they did the same with IT (if he now needs surgery) so please, spare us your overprotective defense of a medical staff that is/was far from perfect.