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Post by kdp59 Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:51 am

http://hoopshype.com/2017/10/18/after-the-gordon-hayward-injury-will-the-boston-celtics-sign-or-trade-for-a-small-forward/


The Boston Celtics’ 2017-18 season got off to the worst start imaginable when Gordon Hayward fractured his left ankle just several minutes into his regular-season debut with the C’s.

The Celtics are continuing to evaluate Hayward and haven’t released a timetable for his recovery yet, but it’s hard to imagine the veteran small forward returning this season since the injury was so gruesome (much like Paul George’s injury during the Team USA scrimmage several years ago).

While everybody is rooting for him to make a quick and full recovery, the Celtics do have to continue their season and figure out what to do without their All-Star forward for what may be the duration of the campaign. It seems likely that they’ll at least consider making a move – either signing a free agent or pulling off a trade – to bolster their depth at the three-spot.

It goes without saying that nobody will be able to fully replace Hayward’s production since he’s an All-Star and averages over 20 points per game. There’s a reason he was one of the biggest free-agent additions of the summer. More than anything, Boston will likely lean on youngsters Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown as well as versatile forward Marcus Morris. Still, the team will likely kick the tires on some available players.

As ESPN’s cap expert Bobby Marks noted, the Celtics can apply for a Disabled Player Exception and the NBA should grant them one. This exception would be worth $8.4 million and Celtics general manager Danny Ainge would have until March 10 to use it.

At the moment, here are some swingmen who are available in the free-agent pool:

Gerald Green, Matt Barnes, Derrick Williams, Dorell Wright, Brandon Rush, Anthony Morrow, Alan Anderson, Mike Dunleavy Jr., Mike Miller, Sonny Weems, Georges Niang, Jordan Hamilton, P.J. Hairston, Josh Childress, Chase Budinger, Elliot Williams, Shawne Williams, Nigel Hayes, Anthony Bennett, R.J. Hunter, Tony Mitchell, Amile Jefferson, Durand Scott, Perry Jones III, Jarell Eddie, DeQuan Jones, Rasual Butler, Metta World Peace and Kevin Martin.

(Martin announced his retirement, but he may be willing to pick up the phone for a contender like Boston. And this wouldn’t be the first time Ainge pursued a retired player either. Remember, he offered Reggie Miller a contract in 2008 – three years removed from Miller’s last NBA season).

Unfortunately for Boston, many free agents have already been signed by other teams by this point and even recently waived players (like Richard Jefferson and DeAndre Liggins) have been snatched up.

Several of the players listed above have inked deals overseas, although many players have an NBA-out in their international contract that allows them to return to the U.S. should an NBA team make them an offer.


Some of the free agents have ties to the Celtics or their current players. For example, Gerald Green was just on Boston’s roster last season. He appeared in 47 regular-season games with the Celtics during the 2016-17 campaign, averaging 5.6 points. He played in 13 postseason games for Boston, with head coach Brad Stevens even moving him into the starting lineup for 7 contests. In last year’s playoffs, Green averaged 7.5 points in 14.8 minutes and shot an impressive 46.7 percent from three-point range. The 31-year-old was signed by the Milwaukee Bucks in September, but was recently waived after the preseason. It seems likely he’ll receive some consideration, based on his familiarity with the system and the fact that Coach Stevens seems to trust him given his playoff role.

RJ Hunter was a first-round pick by the Celtics in 2015. Boston cut him last year and he joined the Chicago Bulls, only to be waived by them as well shortly after. He spent much of last year playing in the NBA D-League and is currently a free agent. While he’s been underwhelming in the NBA, he’s still just 23 years old and at least he’d be familiar with Stevens and some of his former teammates (although only Marcus Smart and Terry Rozier remain from that 2015-16 team he was on).

Perry Jones III also has history with the Celtics, as he was briefly with the team in 2015 (but ultimately was waived prior to the start of the regular season).

Derrick Williams spent last season with the Cleveland Cavaliers, appearing in 25 games and averaging 6.2 points and 2.3 rebounds in 17.1 minutes. During his stint in Cleveland, he shot an impressive 50.5 percent from the field and 40.4 percent from three-point range. With the Cavs, he impressed Kyrie Irving with his hustle plays and the two developed some chemistry, which could make him an interesting addition for Boston. Williams is also just 26 years old, so he’s significantly younger than some of the other players on the market.

As previously mentioned, if Boston does get an exception from the NBA, they don’t have to make a move right away. Because the deadline to use it isn’t until March 10, they could be patient and see which veteran players are bought out after February’s trade deadline. Veteran small forwards would likely be very interested in joining the Celtics since they can offer significant minutes, a nice pay check and a chance to contend. Waiting may be Boston’s best bet, as it could allow them to add a key contributor who can help them significantly more than any of the individuals listed above.

Another option for the Celtics to improve their roster is via trade. As Marks wrote, the Celtics could use that $8.4 million exception to trade for a player who has one year remaining on his contract. That would also line up with Ainge’s strategy of fielding a contender now while also maintaining his long-term flexibility (since the deal would be off the books this summer). Ainge also has other assets, including a ton of draft picks and young players, if he wants to wheel and deal. Boston is already going through a huge adjustment period since they only have four players back from last season, so they may not want to go the trade route. But then again, what’s one more new face, especially if the acquired player fills a need?


Here are some potential trade targets for the Celtics.

Jared Dudley: Dudley would be a great fit for Boston, helping them on and off the floor. The Phoenix Suns would move the veteran small forward for the right price since they’re focused on the future (and having TJ Warren and Josh Jackson makes the former Boston College star expendable). With that said, his $10 million salary means the Celtics would have to trade a player for him as opposed to the exception.

Corey Brewer: The 31-year-old could be the perfect target for Boston. His $7,579,366 salary fits into the exception, he’s in the final year of his contract and he could be obtainable once the Los Angeles Lakers realize that making the playoffs this year was a pipe dream all along. Just as Magic Johnson traded away Lou Williams last year when it became clear that L.A. was lottery-bound, it’s possible he parts ways with Brewer at some point for the same reason (and to get something in return for him rather than just letting him walk as a free agent next summer).

Courtney Lee: The 32-year-old played two seasons in Boston earlier in his career and he’s reportedly being shopped by the cost-cutting New York Knicks. Lee had a very strong 2016-17 season, averaging 11 points, 3.3 rebounds, 2.3 assists and 1.1 steals while shooting 40.5 percent from three-point range. However, it went overlooked due to New York’s struggles. But like Dudley, Lee doesn’t fit into the exception so Ainge would have to find another way to acquire him.

Kyle Anderson: He fits into the exception and is in the final year of his contract (he’ll be a restricted free agent this summer). He’s still just 24 years old, so the San Antonio Spurs may not be ready to move on from him. Then again, if they don’t want to open their wallet to pay him next summer, perhaps they would consider moving him now. He hasn’t done much with the Spurs, but his playing time has been pretty limited. Perhaps a change of scenery would be good for him. Also, with Kawhi Leonard playing as many minutes as possible, Rudy Gay signing over the summer (he’ll likely split time between the three and four) and Davis Bertans showing some promise, Anderson is more expendable than ever.

Wesley Johnson: Johnson is a solid reserve who has done a good job filling his role with the Los Angeles Clippers over the last two years. He would give the Celtics another perimeter defender. His salary would fit into the exception.

It remains to be seen what the Celtics will do – if they do anything at all. It was devastating watching Hayward go down and, regardless of what’s next from a roster standpoint, that’s an enormous loss that drastically changes their season outlook.

Let’s hope Hayward can return soon and, like George, come back even stronger than before.
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Post by kdp59 Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:55 am

Green and Williams are two I would consider as FA's, all the others are pretty useless, IMO.

Dudley would be great, but we'd have to add Yabusele's contract to get him. Maybe worth it in the end, but I'm not sold on it for a one year rental player
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Post by Matty Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:49 am

Before the season began there was discusion that we were a bit too wing heavy, now without GH around quite possibly for the season our chances of getting to the finals are greatley reduced. But we have an arseload of young wings, more time is now availible to go around for guys like brown, tatum, nader ect..

Yes we have a hole to fill, we could still use another big (PERKINS), but while we are still going to be a playoff team unlesss im wrong (which would be great) year two of horfords 4 year window is closed. We will still win games, but this season looks to be one with a lot more chances for young guys to now get more time. Mebbe, just mebbe Tatum could even get enuff time to be in the ROY discusion.
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Post by wideclyde Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:03 pm

I like Brewer over Dudley if Ainge is going to fill Hayward's spot with a wing player. Absolutely none of the free agents listed are better than giving the current Cs young guys a chance to prove themselves in the Hoopshype article.


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Post by KyleCleric Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:09 pm

Id suggest holding off to see who becomes available. No need to rush. This team needs to figure out who they are today. Ainge can maximize the value for this spot once he knows what he has.

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Post by NYCelt Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:30 pm

I expect holding off before adding is exactly what Ainge will do.

There are several promising young players to give minutes to, and gauge what we have. It could be the needs get filled in-house.
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Post by dboss Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:44 pm

Celts still have to get Morris up and running and we can see if guys like Nader can provide some help off the bench.

My choice would be to add Gerald Green since he played here last year so he could fit in immediately.

He would probably accept a vet minimum deal.

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Post by bobheckler Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:36 pm

kdp59 wrote:Green  and Williams are two I would consider as FA's, all the others are pretty useless, IMO.

Dudley would be great, but we'd have to add Yabusele's contract to get him. Maybe worth it in the end, but I'm not sold on it for a one year rental player
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Why would we have to include yabby?  $8.4M exception is enough to trade for a $10M player, you just have to be within 25% I believe.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine


I used Smart, Rozier and Yabby as trade fodder for Dudley.  Those 3 salaries added together = $8.774M, so pretty close to the $8.4M exception (to be clear I am NOT saying trade any of those players, I'm just using their salaries to amateur GM this) and the trade is successful.


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Post by bobheckler Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:03 pm

Here's another possibility, I THINK it would work but I'm playing games with the Trade Machine that might not fit reality:

Marcus Morris - $5M
NBA Hayward exception - $8.4M
Celtics trade exception - $3.94M

to Memphis for Chandler Parsons - $23M

Obviously $5M + $12.34M doesn't = $23M, but it doesn't have to, it just has to get within 25% of it.

IF this will work, and I'm not sure the Celtics can use an existing exception like the one we hope to get for Hayward's unusable salary and a new exception created for this trade, then Parsons would be a nice addition.  He is extremely versatile, like Hayward is.

Parsons is currently getting booed in Memphis.  I don't know why, but he has said he is going to treat home games like road games.  Think of that, a player saying that when he is playing at home he is going to think of it like he's in a hostile arena.  He'd LOVE a trade and Grizzly management might be happy with one too if they can't turn crowd sentiment around.

Trading Morris gives Theis and Yabby more minutes but it does make us thin and inexperienced up front.

Parsons has 3 years left on his contract.  That might make Danny think twice, but Parsons is highly regarded around the league, trading him might not be too hard neither.


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Post by kdp59 Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:22 pm

best to check Parsons' injury history and his over priced contract.

I doubt Memphis will find ANYONE to take that albatross off their hands, to be honest.
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Post by dboss Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:47 pm

Chandler Parsons sucks.

We just need a short term addition.  We do not need to trade anyone.  We do not need to take on a big contract.

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Post by KyleCleric Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:00 pm

injured player exception can't be combined with other exceptions and can only be used on a player whose contract ends at the end of the year.

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Post by kdp59 Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:17 am

KyleCleric wrote:injured player exception can't be combined with other exceptions and can only be used on a player whose contract ends at the end of the year.

thanks for the info....part of what makes this place great.
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