How valuable is Baynes?

Bill Doyle @BillDoyle15
about 18 minutes ago
Aron Baynes said his nose was broken in Game 6 in Cleveland and he'll need surgery, but otherwise he's feeling better after a season than he has in awhile.


bob
MY NOTE: And he still took charges last night, still stuck his (broken) nose in there for rebounds.

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I REALLY hope we resign Baynes.

Scott Souza @Scott_Souza
about 29 minutes ago
#Celtics Aron Baynes asked if there was an indication C's wanted him back from Danny Ainge: In not so many words, you could say that.



Scott Souza @Scott_Souza
about 30 minutes ago
#Celtics Aron Baynes: I enjoyed the hell out of this season ... It's over a lot sooner than I wanted ... I would love to be a part of it in the future.



Marc D'Amico @celtics
about 30 minutes ago
Aron Baynes says he just told the team that in 2013, his Spurs lost a Game 7 and it “galvanized the group” for the next season. The following year, the Spurs came back and won it all.
MY NOTE:  And I'll bet they didn't have major talent infusions from the likes of Kyrie Irving and Gordon Hayward like we will.


bob



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Aron is another classy guy.

Monroe is likely gone for sure and in retrospect adding another shooter for the playoff run may have been a better move.

Baynes is a must keep unless Boston makes a draft related transaction to land a top 3 center. But even if Boston gets another center keeping Baynes is still a viable option.

I think you give Baynes a 2 year deal in the $16 million figure ($8 mill per)

dboss wrote:Monroe is likely gone for sure and in retrospect adding another shooter for the playoff run may have been a better move.

Baynes is a must keep unless Boston makes a draft related transaction to land a top 3 center.  But even if Boston gets another center keeping Baynes is still a viable option.

I think you give Baynes a 2 year deal in the $16 million figure ($8 mill per)

Exactly, he’s earned it.

I don't think we can give Baynes that much next year.

If I am correct  we do NOT have his bird rights.  As such we can only give him a set amount raise (someone said 8%) over his current $4.3M salary

OR
sign him to an exception , the MLE if we are a taxpayer team is around $5.5M I think.

so there is really no way we can pay Baynes $8M next year, unless I am missing something.


CORRECTION: Looks like Baynes can get a maximum of 120% of his current deal which would be about $5.1M if he resigned here.

NON-BIRD EXCEPTION -- This is also a component of the Veteran Free Agent exception. Its name is somewhat of a misnomer, since Non-Bird really is a form of Bird rights. Players who qualify for this exception are called "Non-Qualifying Veteran Free Agents" in the CBA. They are veteran free agents who are neither Qualifying Veteran Free Agents nor Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agents, and include the following:

Players who finished the season with a given team, who have played no more than one season without clearing waivers or changing teams as a free agent.
Players who were Early Bird free agents, but whose team renounced its right to use the Early Bird exception to re-sign the player.
Players who were to be Larry Bird or Early Bird free agents, were playing on one-year contracts, and were traded mid-season.
This exception allows a team to re-sign its own free agent to a salary starting at up to 120% of his salary in the previous season (not over the maximum salary, of course), 120% of the minimum salary, or the amount needed to tender a qualifying offer (if the player is a restricted free agent -- see question number 42), whichever is greater. Raises are limited to 5% of the salary in the first year of the contract, and contracts are limited to four seasons when this exception is used.


MLE for a taxpaying team is not quite $5.3M next year

and $8.5M if we stay a non taxpaying team


BTW, we are about $14M below next seasons tax line, but that is without signing Smart, Baynes, Monroe, Larkin and Gibson.

so it will be pretty hard for Ainge to stay below the tax line next year.

I am sure a lot of this has been in Danny's "to do" box for a few months. Once it was obvious that Baynes was a player who Brad could use the way he wanted to, and he never complained about minutes, I think Danny has been working on different scenerio's of how he could resign Baynes. He is a plus ten in the the locker room where he, along with Al Horford helped maintain a solid mind set with all these young guys.

Marcus, on the other hand, sounds like he is looking for big bucks. He said he is worth more 12 to 14 million dollars. Come on now, this goes under the Evan Turner crazy money, and teams are not throwing it around like that any more.

They are talking right now about Baynes on tv, Max, Blakely and idiot Girardi, who is no where near a basketball mind to pick. They have Baynes gone. Interesting, I hope they are wrong.

The last Celt who talked about backing up the Brinks truck got a one way ticket out of Boston.

worcester,

Great point, and one that Smart may have already made the similar mistake of making even without mentioning any kinds of 'trucks'.

He may find, however, that no one is really going to pay him any where near 12-14 M per season.  One dimensional players (including IT) may be searching late in the summer for jobs with the salary cap money no longer available like it was when Turner got really lucky.

My conspiratorial mind thinks that Danny floated the $12-14 million to Marcus to let the rest of the league know he was prepared to pay that much to Marcus so they would back off from offering Smart anything in that range. With no such offers coming in, Danny could then low ball Marcus.

kdp, don't worry about the dollars and the tax line. Danny has already said that ownership knows the cost of being competitive at a championship level and is willing to pay what and when it is necessary. He indicated the other day that the time is now. We will be paying the tax very soon. So no worries. That part is handled.

mulcogiseng wrote:kdp,  don't worry about the dollars and the tax line. Danny has already said that ownership knows the cost of being competitive at a championship level and is willing to pay what and when it is necessary. He indicated the other day that the time is now. We will be paying the tax very soon. So no worries. That part is handled.

+1

Baynes is a ( very) useful piece, but eventually we are going to need an athletic rebounder with better hands. I can`t count the times he establishes position under the offensive goal, but the rebound goes over his head because he is in too deep. Defensive rebounding is more about boxing out, and offensive rebounding is more about athleticism , in my opinion. Getting Daniel Theiss back will certainly help. I would give him more minutes than Baynes , but that`s just me.

In absence of a deal to draft a center Boston will want to keep Baynes.  Marcus may be signed for whatever the Celtics think he is worth.

He is tooting his own horn right now but the market is likely to be unkind to him.

I think if a team uses their full MlE they use that figure to resign him.  Baynes is going to be 32 next December.  Again the market will determine his price.  Boston may be able to offer up even a one year deal and or a 2 year deal as low as maybe $12 million or 6 per year.  They can still stay under the luxury tax because 3 of the contracts on the books are partially guaranteed.

Ideally the Celtics will try hard to avoid becoming a tax payer for 2019.


The big issue pops up after 2019 when both Terry and Kyrie could add significantly to the salary.  If the Celtics resign Smart they almost have to move Rozier and the best way to do that may be to move up in the draft.  

The luxury tax is inevitable.

If I had a choice between the 4 bigs mentioned No to Noel and Monroe and yes to Okafor or Baynes whichever one is most cost effective.

Because Horford is off the books in two years at max money the staggered nature of these contracts is beneficial.

my go to place for salary and cap info

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/cap/2018/


as we can see the Celtics are only $15.6M under the tax line next season and that is WITHOUT the #27 included ( they add the rookie numbers after the draft typically at this site).


so give us $14M in space IF you want to have the MLE at the higher $8M figure. But if Ainge uses that , the Celtics CANNOT go over the tax line for the entire seasoin.

IF they keep Smart and resign Baynes, they will be over the tax line.

Which to me mean Baynes will have to sign for either the $5.1M (120% over this years salary) OR the Lower MLE ( $5.3M)


since there is not much difference, I think he''ll sign fro the 120% increase, allowing Danny the flexibility of having the MLE to use on another player.

the ONLY way Baynes can get more than $5.1-5.3M from the Celtics next year, is if Smart goes and Danny stay UNDER the tax line all season. Then he can give Baynes the higher MLE.

But we've lost Smart and can only use the Vet minimum to sign any other players (because we are over the cap).

this is why Baynes will sign for what Danny has to offer him, if he stays.

paying Baynes the higher $8M MLE means Smart is gone and cannot be replaced.

not going to happen , IMO.

kdp59 wrote:my go to place for salary and cap info

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/cap/2018/


as we can see the Celtics are only $15.6M under the tax line next season and that is WITHOUT the #27 included ( they add the rookie numbers after the draft typically at this site).


so give us $14M in space IF you want to have the MLE at the higher $8M figure. But if Ainge uses that , the Celtics CANNOT go over the tax line for the entire seasoin.

IF they keep Smart and resign Baynes, they will be over the tax line.

Which to me mean Baynes will have to sign for either the $5.1M (120% over this years salary) OR the Lower MLE ( $5.3M)


since there is not much difference, I think he''ll sign fro the 120% increase, allowing Danny the flexibility of having the MLE to use on another player.

the ONLY way Baynes can get more than $5.1-5.3M from the Celtics next year, is if Smart goes and Danny stay UNDER the tax line all season. Then he can give Baynes the higher MLE.

But we've lost Smart and can only use the Vet minimum to sign any other players (because we are over the cap).

this is why Baynes will sign for what Danny has to offer him, if he stays.

paying Baynes the higher $8M MLE means Smart is gone and cannot be replaced.

not going to happen , IMO.

Good 'splainin.

I hope Baynes takes the 120% raise for a two season contract. That gives him some security and gives us some flexibility. It also allows us to have his Bird rights at the end of his contract, for what it's worth.