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POST GAME PORTLAND - HOME
Celtics Wrap: Damian Lillard Nets 33, Boston Drops Fourth Straight
by Michael McMahon on Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 10:28PM
The Boston Celtics returned to TD Garden for the first time since the NBA All-Star with much-needed newfound energy. But home court was not enough to stop Boston’s current slide.
A 97-92 loss to the Portland Trail Blazers marks the Celtics fourth straight, sixth over its last eight games.
Kyrie Irving led the Celtics with 31 points, while Jayson Tatum (14), Al Horford (13), Jaylen Brown (10) and Marcus Smart (12) all reached double digits. Damian Lillard led Portland with 31 points.
With the loss, the Celtics fall to 37-25, while the Trail Blazers move to 38-23 with the win.
Here’s how it all went down:
STARTING FIVE
PG: Kyrie Irving
SG: Marcus Smart
SF: Jayson Tatum
PF: Marcus Morris Sr.
C: Al Horford
LILLARD-IRVING SHOW
Irving and Lillard dotted the scorebook early as Portland took a 25-24 lead after the opening 12 minutes.
Lillard led all scorers with 11, Irving had 10.
The visitors used an 8-0 run to take a 15-6 lead on a CJ McCollum three-pointer with 5:35 to play in the quarter.
But Boston rallied back with a 12-5 run, with Irving’s trey tying the game 24-24 with 14.6 second left in the quarter.
NECK AND NECK
Both offenses had trouble in the second quarter, with neither side able to pull away, as Portland took a narrow 43-42 lead heading into halftime after an even 18-18 stanza.
Offense was at a premium for most of the second quarter, with the Celtics scoring just 12 points over the first 9:30 of the quarter.
But the Celtics’ defense, as opposed to Tuesday, gave a stout defensive effort in the quarter to keep them in the game, as Marcus Smart’s steal and touchdown pass to Jayson Tatum sparked a 10-4 run to end the half.
Irving closed the gap to 43-40 with 54.8 seconds left in the half, while Marcus Morris made it a one-point game at the line before the teams headed for the locker room.
PORTLAND PULLS AHEAD
Thanks to 15 points in the third from Lillard, Portland was able to build a bit of lead, outscoring the C’s 31-22 in the quarter to lead 74-64 heading into the fourth.
The Trail Blazers opened their lead up to nine points in the early goings of the second half, as Lillard cut to the basket to make it 57-48 with 6:46 to go in the third. Lillard then hit a straightaway three to give Portland its first double digit lead of the game.
Back-to-back baskets from Horford made it 72-64 in the closing seconds of the quarter, but the C’s allowed Lillard to run the floor and sink a buzzer-beating layup.
LATE PUSH NOT ENOUGH
A 6-0 run in the opening minutes of the fourth got the Celtics right back in contention, and they did it with Irving on the bench. With Brown draining a pair of layups and a jumper from Smart making it 76-72 with 9:38 to play.
Portland was able to stop the bleeding, and take an 84-76 lead after a pair of Nurkic free throws, and following a Smart three-point play, Al-Farouq Aminu hit a trey to make it 87-79 with 4:05 to play.
The visitors grew their lead in the final five minutes, leading 93-81 after another pair of Jusuf Nurkic free throws. But Boston answered with a 6-0 run to make it 93-88 with 1:18 to play.
Lillard made it 95-88 with a layin with 36.6 seconds to play, and Irving answer with a three to make it 95-92 with 24.8 seconds left.
PLAY OF THE GAME
Don’t hurt ’em, Jaylen.
UP NEXT
The Celtics remain at home for a matchup against the Washington Wizards on Friday night. Tip off from TD Garden is slated for 8 p.m. ET.
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by Michael McMahon on Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 10:28PM
The Boston Celtics returned to TD Garden for the first time since the NBA All-Star with much-needed newfound energy. But home court was not enough to stop Boston’s current slide.
A 97-92 loss to the Portland Trail Blazers marks the Celtics fourth straight, sixth over its last eight games.
Kyrie Irving led the Celtics with 31 points, while Jayson Tatum (14), Al Horford (13), Jaylen Brown (10) and Marcus Smart (12) all reached double digits. Damian Lillard led Portland with 31 points.
With the loss, the Celtics fall to 37-25, while the Trail Blazers move to 38-23 with the win.
Here’s how it all went down:
STARTING FIVE
PG: Kyrie Irving
SG: Marcus Smart
SF: Jayson Tatum
PF: Marcus Morris Sr.
C: Al Horford
LILLARD-IRVING SHOW
Irving and Lillard dotted the scorebook early as Portland took a 25-24 lead after the opening 12 minutes.
Lillard led all scorers with 11, Irving had 10.
The visitors used an 8-0 run to take a 15-6 lead on a CJ McCollum three-pointer with 5:35 to play in the quarter.
But Boston rallied back with a 12-5 run, with Irving’s trey tying the game 24-24 with 14.6 second left in the quarter.
NECK AND NECK
Both offenses had trouble in the second quarter, with neither side able to pull away, as Portland took a narrow 43-42 lead heading into halftime after an even 18-18 stanza.
Offense was at a premium for most of the second quarter, with the Celtics scoring just 12 points over the first 9:30 of the quarter.
But the Celtics’ defense, as opposed to Tuesday, gave a stout defensive effort in the quarter to keep them in the game, as Marcus Smart’s steal and touchdown pass to Jayson Tatum sparked a 10-4 run to end the half.
Irving closed the gap to 43-40 with 54.8 seconds left in the half, while Marcus Morris made it a one-point game at the line before the teams headed for the locker room.
PORTLAND PULLS AHEAD
Thanks to 15 points in the third from Lillard, Portland was able to build a bit of lead, outscoring the C’s 31-22 in the quarter to lead 74-64 heading into the fourth.
The Trail Blazers opened their lead up to nine points in the early goings of the second half, as Lillard cut to the basket to make it 57-48 with 6:46 to go in the third. Lillard then hit a straightaway three to give Portland its first double digit lead of the game.
Back-to-back baskets from Horford made it 72-64 in the closing seconds of the quarter, but the C’s allowed Lillard to run the floor and sink a buzzer-beating layup.
LATE PUSH NOT ENOUGH
A 6-0 run in the opening minutes of the fourth got the Celtics right back in contention, and they did it with Irving on the bench. With Brown draining a pair of layups and a jumper from Smart making it 76-72 with 9:38 to play.
Portland was able to stop the bleeding, and take an 84-76 lead after a pair of Nurkic free throws, and following a Smart three-point play, Al-Farouq Aminu hit a trey to make it 87-79 with 4:05 to play.
The visitors grew their lead in the final five minutes, leading 93-81 after another pair of Jusuf Nurkic free throws. But Boston answered with a 6-0 run to make it 93-88 with 1:18 to play.
Lillard made it 95-88 with a layin with 36.6 seconds to play, and Irving answer with a three to make it 95-92 with 24.8 seconds left.
PLAY OF THE GAME
Don’t hurt ’em, Jaylen.
UP NEXT
The Celtics remain at home for a matchup against the Washington Wizards on Friday night. Tip off from TD Garden is slated for 8 p.m. ET.
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112288- Posts : 7855
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Well you aren't going to win many games when your second leading scorer for the night takes 3 shots the second half. Some bad shooting for that to happen.
With our schedule coming up this may get very ugly:
Washington
Houston
Golden State
Sacramento
Lakers
Clippers
Atlanta
Philly
Denver
I could see us losing all the bold games as most are on the road.
With our schedule coming up this may get very ugly:
Washington
Houston
Golden State
Sacramento
Lakers
Clippers
Atlanta
Philly
Denver
I could see us losing all the bold games as most are on the road.
tardust- Posts : 1605
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I wonder if we can get into the lottery with our own pick?
Never had good vibes this year about this team since training camp.
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Never had good vibes this year about this team since training camp.
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well after the last two games I think we can all agree that playing Rob Williams in meaningful minutes this year is a BAD idea.
that's one thing at least.
that's one thing at least.
kdp59- Posts : 5709
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What the hell are you talking about? I saw in the box score that RW played zero minutes. How can you use that as a basis to judge his play? When he played 19 minutes against the Raptors he had 8 points though with some D miscues. Meanwhile Gordon scored 3 points in 27 minutes. I think the results of that experiment are in.
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worcester wrote:What the hell are you talking about? I saw in the box score that RW played zero minutes. How can you use that as a basis to judge his play? When he played 19 minutes against the Raptors he had 8 points though with some D miscues. Meanwhile Gordon scored 3 points in 27 minutes. I think the results of that experiment are in.
worcester,
Williams actually played :29. The reason why he only played 29 seconds is because he came in to guard Nurkic on an out-of-bounds play under our basket and completely, totally lost him. Not only did Nurkic get a dunk, Williams was barely turning around from at least 8' away when he did it. Pass in being made from the right of our basket, Nurkic dunks it and Williams was 8' out with his back completely turned to the baseline where the pass was coming from and where his man was. It's bad enough if you let your man dive to the rim and you let him beat you there even though you're starting off in between him and the rim, it's a whole other level when he doesn't have to dive anywhere, he's already at the rim and there is nobody there. Including you.
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Not a lot of time this morning, but just my quick takeaway. Usually, I prefer not to point fingers, but this one's on Brad and somewhat on Danny.
One short glaring example. You take Williams, a promising big who desperately needs minutes to improve his game, and you stick him in at crunch time against Nurkic? Of course Nurkic immediately makes Williams look like a piece of the parquet. What else would one expect? He hasn't been playing. This is why you give him minutes, Brad. And then you immediately yank him. Quick hook, skipper.
Second is Danny. Sorry, but the traditional skills of the big man are far from dead in the NBA. This is maybe why so many are popping back up around the league? Hmmm. Horford is fantastic, but aging and getting brittle, Baynes is just what is needed, but too often injured. Sorry, but probably toast at this point. Theis is a nice relief pitcher for short mop-up duty, and Williams has potential. Where are the bigs?
Washington coming up, has our local hometown guy, Thomas Bryant, at center. If you haven't seen what he's been doing, well, better at least rush Baynes back.
OK, everyone screws up some time. Just follow me around for a while. Onward. We got a push to the playoffs to make.
One short glaring example. You take Williams, a promising big who desperately needs minutes to improve his game, and you stick him in at crunch time against Nurkic? Of course Nurkic immediately makes Williams look like a piece of the parquet. What else would one expect? He hasn't been playing. This is why you give him minutes, Brad. And then you immediately yank him. Quick hook, skipper.
Second is Danny. Sorry, but the traditional skills of the big man are far from dead in the NBA. This is maybe why so many are popping back up around the league? Hmmm. Horford is fantastic, but aging and getting brittle, Baynes is just what is needed, but too often injured. Sorry, but probably toast at this point. Theis is a nice relief pitcher for short mop-up duty, and Williams has potential. Where are the bigs?
Washington coming up, has our local hometown guy, Thomas Bryant, at center. If you haven't seen what he's been doing, well, better at least rush Baynes back.
OK, everyone screws up some time. Just follow me around for a while. Onward. We got a push to the playoffs to make.
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Thanks for the insight Bob. though I agree with NYCelt...It's tough to condemn RW for one bad play at crunch time when he's not been seasoned through the season.
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Kyrie scores over 30 again. Most of the rest of the team are not making shots. I did not see the game - at the ballet instead. Was this Kyrie's fault? Were the other guys taking bad shots? Did they need to be set up better, or are they just sucking wind big time? When do we sit GW? Seriously, he has just not produced at all. Should we give RW minutes until the palyoffs to get him ready for that? We are not climbing to the third spot, so why not? Meanwhile Sacto looks tough. Even ATL does too.
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worcester wrote:What the hell are you talking about? I saw in the box score that RW played zero minutes. How can you use that as a basis to judge his play? When he played 19 minutes against the Raptors he had 8 points though with some D miscues. Meanwhile Gordon scored 3 points in 27 minutes. I think the results of that experiment are in.
Worcester,
RW played 29 sec last night, 2 possessions. He didn't have a prayer against Nurkic. I saw that Brad reacted to that very fast, unlike in the previous game, or, perhaps AH wasn't ready at the time.
Speaking of the previous game. I wouldn't call it "D miscues" - more like complete inability to counteract opponent's offensive play.
As for the game in general, Celtics were much better. They tried really hard but some lack of cohesion and atrocious shooting did them in.
AK
sinus007- Posts : 2652
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Thanks for the analysis Sinus about RW. Too bad he's not in G league. My son goes to every Red Claws game and could give his take. For sure RW needs to be coached. Doubt he's getting it in Boston with all the other mishigass going on there. And what the hell is going on with our shooting?
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RW just has to PLAY real meaningful minutes to get better. It was so unfair of Brad to stick the kid in - in meaningful games when he has sat of the bench for the majority of games played this year. There were so many games the kid could have played meaningful minutes yet he sat on the bench. How about getting the kid some reps in Maine and the Red Claws??????????????
I am so pissed off at Brad for handling Williams, and for that matter Danny for not bringing in a BIG behind Baynes this year. The problem with Baynes is he cannot jump and play the vertical game. He is great as a tough BIG but has no elevation.
This is not how you get your sea legs by sitting on the dock! Get the kid a taste of the open ocean for Christ's sake!
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I am so pissed off at Brad for handling Williams, and for that matter Danny for not bringing in a BIG behind Baynes this year. The problem with Baynes is he cannot jump and play the vertical game. He is great as a tough BIG but has no elevation.
This is not how you get your sea legs by sitting on the dock! Get the kid a taste of the open ocean for Christ's sake!
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Most of the time me and Mrs. dboss replicate the excitement of being at the game. We cheer, we complain, we exchange high fives we do the best that can be done 1,000 miles away from the action. Last night we sat there pretty much immune from the goings on. Before I knew it she left the room and went to bed. She blogs throughout the game on her Celtics Forever FB site occasionally sharing all the funny comments she sees. But last night there was few comments, there was no laughter there was just only acknowledgement that the 2018-19 edition of the Boston Celtics have turned into any other team. I stayed up and finished watching the game as I always do.
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112288 wrote:RW just has to PLAY real meaningful minutes to get better. It was so unfair of Brad to stick the kid in - in meaningful games when he has sat of the bench for the majority of games played this year. There were so many games the kid could have played meaningful minutes yet he sat on the bench. How about getting the kid some reps in Maine and the Red Claws??????????????
I am so pissed off at Brad for handling Williams, and for that matter Danny for not bringing in a BIG behind Baynes this year. The problem with Baynes is he cannot jump and play the vertical game. He is great as a tough BIG but has no elevation.
This is not how you get your sea legs by sitting on the dock! Get the kid a taste of the open ocean for Christ's sake!
112288
Ditto +1
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Well, at least we fought. We lost, but we fought. That's an improvement over the previous 3 debacles.
We lost this game on unbelievably poor 3pt fg shooting and not loving the ball. We shot 18% from 3, had 16 turnovers (Tatum and Kyrie with 4 each) and Portland had 11 steals (Harkless had 3 and a few Blazers had 2. Man, when human iceberg Enes Kanter has 2 steals you know you're sloppy with your passes).
Kyrie was 3-5 from 3. The rest of the team was 2-23, 8.6%. NOBODY is going to win a game like that, but we still made it close, so there were some other things going on that were working, just not enough to offset that!
Theis was 0-5, which was very unusual for him. All his shots were short, which often indicates tired legs. Is that the case? I don't think so, he isn't playing particularly heavy minutes nor is he playing a lot more minutes than usual. I think, just my opinion, he's tight. I think all of them (and us!) are feeling tight with the losses. We're trying to steer the shots in instead of shooting them.
Morris 3-10. After one missed open 3 he threw his arms up as if to say "WTF do I have to do for these to go in!". He's struggling, as are we all, and his frustrations are starting to affect his performance.
Tatum with a solid 14 point on 6-11 night, but 4 TOs. I know I'm going to take some heat from this board, especially from tardust who thinks I never say nice things about Tatum, but I'm falling a little out of love with him. He has regressed this year. Maybe some of it is that he's being heavily scouted now, maybe it's the Curse of Kobe, I don't know but he isn't the same player this year. He disappears for long periods of time. Last year he'd start off slow, but he was a rookie, so letting the game show itself to him made sense. He's not a rookie now. I'm certainly not saying he's El Busto, far from it, but Pierce 2.0? I'm backing off my assertion of that a bit. I want to see what happens next.
Marcus Smart almost single-handedly willed us over the finish line in the 4th. There was that awful shot towards the end but that shot would have been completely unimpactful if it wasn't for all the good he did before that.
Jaylen also played hard. 10 points and 10 rebounds. Going up against a big team that has Nurkic and Kanter we needed to really focus on not getting pounded into paste under the boards. Jaylen did a good job here. He has gotten some shit from me, and I believe he has deserved it, but I'm very happy to give him credit when I think he deserves it. He has been putting in the effort in this recent losing streak. To be honest and blunt, I see him working harder than Tatum, and that's part of my current disappointment with Tatum.
Hayward was, is and, I'm starting to fear, will be useless. Nowhere for him to hide anymore.
They took 10 more ftas than us. I'm the first one to call ourselves out for taking too many jumpshots and not taking it to the rim and create contact, but not last night. We just weren't getting whistles and Portland was. 6 of their 20 ftas were by Nurkic. #GotBaynes?
As bad as Rozier has been we sure could have used his speed on defense vs Lillard, who scored 33 on 13-28.
We have one fast defender in the back court, Rozier, who can't shoot. We have another, big, back court defender who isn't much of a shooter in Jaylen Brown. We have Gordon Hayward, who can't figure who he is. What we don't have, and need, is a Gerald Green. A Vinny "the Microwave", a Lou Williams. A "break glass in case of offensive emergency" player. We have defensive-oriented players off the bench but no offensive-oriented ones.
http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=401071586
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We lost this game on unbelievably poor 3pt fg shooting and not loving the ball. We shot 18% from 3, had 16 turnovers (Tatum and Kyrie with 4 each) and Portland had 11 steals (Harkless had 3 and a few Blazers had 2. Man, when human iceberg Enes Kanter has 2 steals you know you're sloppy with your passes).
Kyrie was 3-5 from 3. The rest of the team was 2-23, 8.6%. NOBODY is going to win a game like that, but we still made it close, so there were some other things going on that were working, just not enough to offset that!
Theis was 0-5, which was very unusual for him. All his shots were short, which often indicates tired legs. Is that the case? I don't think so, he isn't playing particularly heavy minutes nor is he playing a lot more minutes than usual. I think, just my opinion, he's tight. I think all of them (and us!) are feeling tight with the losses. We're trying to steer the shots in instead of shooting them.
Morris 3-10. After one missed open 3 he threw his arms up as if to say "WTF do I have to do for these to go in!". He's struggling, as are we all, and his frustrations are starting to affect his performance.
Tatum with a solid 14 point on 6-11 night, but 4 TOs. I know I'm going to take some heat from this board, especially from tardust who thinks I never say nice things about Tatum, but I'm falling a little out of love with him. He has regressed this year. Maybe some of it is that he's being heavily scouted now, maybe it's the Curse of Kobe, I don't know but he isn't the same player this year. He disappears for long periods of time. Last year he'd start off slow, but he was a rookie, so letting the game show itself to him made sense. He's not a rookie now. I'm certainly not saying he's El Busto, far from it, but Pierce 2.0? I'm backing off my assertion of that a bit. I want to see what happens next.
Marcus Smart almost single-handedly willed us over the finish line in the 4th. There was that awful shot towards the end but that shot would have been completely unimpactful if it wasn't for all the good he did before that.
Jaylen also played hard. 10 points and 10 rebounds. Going up against a big team that has Nurkic and Kanter we needed to really focus on not getting pounded into paste under the boards. Jaylen did a good job here. He has gotten some shit from me, and I believe he has deserved it, but I'm very happy to give him credit when I think he deserves it. He has been putting in the effort in this recent losing streak. To be honest and blunt, I see him working harder than Tatum, and that's part of my current disappointment with Tatum.
Hayward was, is and, I'm starting to fear, will be useless. Nowhere for him to hide anymore.
They took 10 more ftas than us. I'm the first one to call ourselves out for taking too many jumpshots and not taking it to the rim and create contact, but not last night. We just weren't getting whistles and Portland was. 6 of their 20 ftas were by Nurkic. #GotBaynes?
As bad as Rozier has been we sure could have used his speed on defense vs Lillard, who scored 33 on 13-28.
We have one fast defender in the back court, Rozier, who can't shoot. We have another, big, back court defender who isn't much of a shooter in Jaylen Brown. We have Gordon Hayward, who can't figure who he is. What we don't have, and need, is a Gerald Green. A Vinny "the Microwave", a Lou Williams. A "break glass in case of offensive emergency" player. We have defensive-oriented players off the bench but no offensive-oriented ones.
http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=401071586
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Yes. Desperate for a win.
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sinus007 wrote:worcester wrote:What the hell are you talking about? I saw in the box score that RW played zero minutes. How can you use that as a basis to judge his play? When he played 19 minutes against the Raptors he had 8 points though with some D miscues. Meanwhile Gordon scored 3 points in 27 minutes. I think the results of that experiment are in.
Worcester,
RW played 29 sec last night, 2 possessions. He didn't have a prayer against Nurkic. I saw that Brad reacted to that very fast, unlike in the previous game, or, perhaps AH wasn't ready at the time.
Speaking of the previous game. I wouldn't call it "D miscues" - more like complete inability to counteract opponent's offensive play.
As for the game in general, Celtics were much better. They tried really hard but some lack of cohesion and atrocious shooting did them in.
AK
yes he sucked on defense in the toronto game as well. last night Williams was SO bad in less than a minute that he had to be yanked off the floor.
come on guys you can see it too. the kid MAY one day be a decent player, but there is a reason his ass has been firmly planted on the bench most of the year and is has been exposed to us all to see in the past two games.
this team is a mess though, even though they at least competed last night..but is THAT the only expectation we should have now? that this mismatched group of players will MAYBE compete AT HOME against a playoff team?
what a mess
unlike most here, though I am now putting this mess of a team all squarely on Danny Ainge's shoulders. HE built this team, over paying for Hayward and trading for flat earther Irving, instead of letting the YOUNG blood grow with each other. Danny shooting for the short cut to another title and its isn't working.
Irving is a great NBA player, but we are a better team when he is not on the floor and IF he leaves next year I predict many of our "chemistry Issues" will go away.
god this is getting ugly now
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The Celtics shot below average from deep in all of their 4 straight losses. They went 5-28 last night for 17.9 %. They shot 20% in the Raptors game. They average 36.6% for the season.
Since the Celtics are a 3 point oriented team they will struggled when they shoot poorly.
The Celtics turned the ball over 17 times last night.
When are we going to stop blaming Kyrie Irving for the chemistry issues? He has been the most consistent player on this team all year long as supported by the numbers.
Since the Celtics are a 3 point oriented team they will struggled when they shoot poorly.
The Celtics turned the ball over 17 times last night.
When are we going to stop blaming Kyrie Irving for the chemistry issues? He has been the most consistent player on this team all year long as supported by the numbers.
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dboss wrote:The Celtics shot below average from deep in all of their 4 straight losses. They went 5-28 last night for 17.9 %. They shot 20% in the Raptors game. They average 36.6% for the season.
Since the Celtics are a 3 point oriented team they will struggled when they shoot poorly.
The Celtics turned the ball over 17 times last night.
When are we going to stop blaming Kyrie Irving for the chemistry issues? He has been the most consistent player on this team all year long as supported by the numbers.
dboss I agree Kyrie has been playing well on the court, maybe his best season ever stats wise. However, to me I think he has definitely contributed to poor chemistry on the team. His attempts to be a leader have backfired and I’m guessing the younger players have completely tuned him out. There is more to it than just Kyrie but I feel he is the biggest contributor to our dysfunction.
Personally I cringe when he is interviewed and am at the point now I mute the sound and look away from the TV as I can’t stand listening to his pouting, passive aggressive nonsense. I’ll be a Celtics fanatic even if they go 0-82, but the thought of having him on the team for years to come is disheartening. I wouldn’t let him walk on July 1st, I’d escort him to the door.
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KDP,
I'm sorry but I think you went overboard.
By 2007 Danny built a contender. Not only on paper but in reality.
By 2017 Danny built another contender. But this time the reality quite different. Can you blame him that he didn't anticipate GH would break his leg? Can you blame him that he didn't anticipate chemistry issues? Can you blame that he didn't anticipate that Brad would struggle to lead the team to the "promised land"? My answer is NO.
So, let's chill out...
AK
I'm sorry but I think you went overboard.
By 2007 Danny built a contender. Not only on paper but in reality.
By 2017 Danny built another contender. But this time the reality quite different. Can you blame him that he didn't anticipate GH would break his leg? Can you blame him that he didn't anticipate chemistry issues? Can you blame that he didn't anticipate that Brad would struggle to lead the team to the "promised land"? My answer is NO.
So, let's chill out...
AK
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I'm beginning to think Kyrie is in the same boat as an Allen Iverson. Both as individuals are a great watch. Spectacular what they can do as in individual on the court. But as spectacular as the AI crossover was, etc., he never really made his teammates better.
Kyrie can go out and score 30+ points/night every night. And lately with this bunch, he's had to do that. But that doesn't make his team or his teammates better. Larry Bird could score 30+ points per night but he didn't have to. If he did, he'd also have 15 assists, 7 steals, 8 blocks and 20 boards to go with it. He relied on the team. He got everyone involved. That's what made those teams must see tv. Same with the 2008 team.
Yes, Kyrie has a goal of being LeBron, Jr. He still has 20 games plus the playoffs to get it together. Lebron realized a few years ago that in order to win championships, you can't do it all on your own. It took him all those years in CLE to figure it out.
But unless this turns around in a hurry and we go deep, I'm beginning to wonder exactly what Danny had in mind with bringing him on. He is not the typical prototype Celtic player or leader. The most current prototype player we have today is Marcus Smart. I don't know. Maybe this is part of the new NBA and I'm just buried back in the 80's.
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Kyrie can go out and score 30+ points/night every night. And lately with this bunch, he's had to do that. But that doesn't make his team or his teammates better. Larry Bird could score 30+ points per night but he didn't have to. If he did, he'd also have 15 assists, 7 steals, 8 blocks and 20 boards to go with it. He relied on the team. He got everyone involved. That's what made those teams must see tv. Same with the 2008 team.
Yes, Kyrie has a goal of being LeBron, Jr. He still has 20 games plus the playoffs to get it together. Lebron realized a few years ago that in order to win championships, you can't do it all on your own. It took him all those years in CLE to figure it out.
But unless this turns around in a hurry and we go deep, I'm beginning to wonder exactly what Danny had in mind with bringing him on. He is not the typical prototype Celtic player or leader. The most current prototype player we have today is Marcus Smart. I don't know. Maybe this is part of the new NBA and I'm just buried back in the 80's.
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dbrown4- Posts : 5614
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Re: POST GAME PORTLAND - HOME
2008 was over a decade ago
Heck Lebron left, came back and left Cleveland again in that time frame!!
I hope I'm proven wrong and they figure it out, but they are seriously running out of time here and we have no reason to think anything is going to change.
Heck Lebron left, came back and left Cleveland again in that time frame!!
I hope I'm proven wrong and they figure it out, but they are seriously running out of time here and we have no reason to think anything is going to change.
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Re: POST GAME PORTLAND - HOME
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At this point it really does not matter. I am not say never, but the odds of us making it to the finals let alone going to the 3rd round are against us. Play the season out and use some of your first round daft picks to either move up or trade for a good role player coming off the bench that delivers a specific role. A great 3 point shooter, ALA Eddie House, coming off the bench that can give us points on the board and put pressure on the opposing team to match our offense. Or a lock down defender ALA Tony Allan.
I say keep the building process going, do some pruning of the roster with trades or no resign and pick up a few free agents that will not deplete our young core of good players and see what tomorrow year brings us.
112288
At this point it really does not matter. I am not say never, but the odds of us making it to the finals let alone going to the 3rd round are against us. Play the season out and use some of your first round daft picks to either move up or trade for a good role player coming off the bench that delivers a specific role. A great 3 point shooter, ALA Eddie House, coming off the bench that can give us points on the board and put pressure on the opposing team to match our offense. Or a lock down defender ALA Tony Allan.
I say keep the building process going, do some pruning of the roster with trades or no resign and pick up a few free agents that will not deplete our young core of good players and see what tomorrow year brings us.
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Re: POST GAME PORTLAND - HOME
What I saw was a very tight team that couldn't hit their shots. A lot of open shots missed, probably because these guys are unnerved. In sports you have to be both intense and relaxed at the same time. I thought the intensity was o.k., but the relaxed aspect wasn't . This team may need a sports psychologist ( kidding). The young guys were free and easy last year; this year , not so much. I think Danny's Davis-Irving linkage is a pipe dream. He may have to go back to the drawing board.
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