Re: Kyrie and buying into the Celtic Pride Mystique

by **kdp59** Sat Mar 02, 2019 6:50 am

tjmakz wrote:
kdp59 wrote:
tjmakz wrote:I do not agree with some that say that Boston is better without Kyrie.
The only significant win this season without Kyrie was against Philadelphia.
Almost all of the games Kyrie has sat out were against non playoff teams.
Kyrie has taken over many games at the end and has dominated close wins including all 4 of Boston's overtime wins this season.

I do not feel Kyrie's personality is a great fit in Boston.
It will significantly hurt Boston's future if Kyrie leaves in July, which is looking more likely each week.
Without Kyrie Boston won't be acquiring AD.

A long and successful playoff run could convince Kyrie to stay in Boston long term.

yes and thats a bad thing

I'll be happy when he goes back to carrying Lebron's jock next season. then he can be your problem

I will take Kyrie at $30m over Rozier for $14m all day.
Kyrie, Lebron, Kuzma and Ingram could be a special team.
No, I do not expect Kyrie to be a Laker next season.

well since Kyrie is looking for closer to $40M than $30M that's not really the question for Celtic fans.

more like do you want Irving for $38-40M or Rozier, Morris and Theis for less than that next year.

but like I said I would be fine if Irving replaces Rondo in LA next year myself. he and Lebron can glare and show up the other players when they lose games together , like the old days.

by **swish** Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:07 am

kdp59 wrote:
tjmakz wrote:
kdp59 wrote:
tjmakz wrote:I do not agree with some that say that Boston is better without Kyrie.
The only significant win this season without Kyrie was against Philadelphia.
Almost all of the games Kyrie has sat out were against non playoff teams.
Kyrie has taken over many games at the end and has dominated close wins including all 4 of Boston's overtime wins this season.

I do not feel Kyrie's personality is a great fit in Boston.
It will significantly hurt Boston's future if Kyrie leaves in July, which is looking more likely each week.
Without Kyrie Boston won't be acquiring AD.

A long and successful playoff run could convince Kyrie to stay in Boston long term.

yes and thats a bad thing

I'll be happy when he goes back to carrying Lebron's jock next season. then he can be your problem

I will take Kyrie at $30m over Rozier for $14m all day.
Kyrie, Lebron, Kuzma and Ingram could be a special team.
No, I do not expect Kyrie to be a Laker next season.

well since Kyrie is looking for closer to $40M than $30M that's not really the question for Celtic fans.

more like do you want Irving for $38-40M or Rozier, Morris and Theis for less than that next year.

but like I said I would be fine if Irving replaces Rondo in LA next year myself. he and Lebron can glare and show up the other players when they lose games together , like the old days.

"When they lose games together, like the old days" Well they played together for just 3 years - Finals all 3 years .
While playing .646 ball in 2014-15 lost to the Warriors and their great .817 season.
In 2015-16 the Cavs (.695) upset the Warriors (super .890 season).
In 2016 17 the Cavs (.622) lost to the Warriors (another .817 season)

swish

by **tjmakz** Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:27 am

kdp59 wrote:
tjmakz wrote:
kdp59 wrote:
tjmakz wrote:I do not agree with some that say that Boston is better without Kyrie.
The only significant win this season without Kyrie was against Philadelphia.
Almost all of the games Kyrie has sat out were against non playoff teams.
Kyrie has taken over many games at the end and has dominated close wins including all 4 of Boston's overtime wins this season.

I do not feel Kyrie's personality is a great fit in Boston.
It will significantly hurt Boston's future if Kyrie leaves in July, which is looking more likely each week.
Without Kyrie Boston won't be acquiring AD.

A long and successful playoff run could convince Kyrie to stay in Boston long term.

yes and thats a bad thing

I'll be happy when he goes back to carrying Lebron's jock next season. then he can be your problem

I will take Kyrie at $30m over Rozier for $14m all day.
Kyrie, Lebron, Kuzma and Ingram could be a special team.
No, I do not expect Kyrie to be a Laker next season.

well since Kyrie is looking for closer to $40M than $30M that's not really the question for Celtic fans.

more like do you want Irving for $38-40M or Rozier, Morris and Theis for less than that next year.

but like I said I would be fine if Irving replaces Rondo in LA next year myself. he and Lebron can glare and show up the other players when they lose games together , like the old days.

Since Kyrie is not a 10 year veteran the most he can be paid next year is approximately $32.7m.

by **cowens/oldschool** Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:55 am

Last thing I would do is give anybody a 40 million plus contract like John Wall, especially to an injury prone already diva like Kyrie....but love his handles.

by **112288** Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:57 am

cowens/oldschool wrote:Last thing I would do is give anybody a 40 million plus contract like John Wall, especially to an injury prone already diva like Kyrie....but love his handles.

DITTO +++++++

112288

by **cowens/oldschool** Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:34 pm

While not GH’s fault, I believe the diligence is there, and ofcourse Brad wants him to play back into form, it’s just an unfortunate situation that has effected the chemistry all year and has cost us more than a few games. Looking at this team now, when GH has been on he’s still not near the OG, but has shown he can hit a few shots and help, he not near the dynamic finishers the 2 J’s can be, but we can win with the good version.

If it was up to me I would have done what Stephen A has repeatedly said and others have mentioned in their own versions, get the 2 J’s going like they did in last years playoffs and limit GH until he’s
stronger and feeling it. Let him adapt to their games, not the other way around.

by **112288** Sat Mar 02, 2019 2:11 pm

cowens/oldschool wrote:While not GH’s fault, I believe the diligence is there, and ofcourse Brad wants him to play back into form, it’s just an unfortunate situation that has effected the chemistry all year and has cost us more than a few games. Looking at this team now, when GH has been on he’s still not near the OG, but has shown he can hit a few shots and help, he not near the dynamic finishers the 2 J’s can be, but we can win with the good version.

If it was up to me I would have done what Stephen A has repeatedly said and others have mentioned in their own versions, get the 2 J’s going like they did in last years playoffs and limit GH until he’s
stronger and feeling it. Let him adapt to their games, not the other way around.

RIGHT ON COWEN! REMEMBER WE PLAYED WITHOUT HIM ALL OF LAST YEAR. IF HE CANNOT PLAY UP TO MINUTES THEN HE SITS. IT'S ALL HANDS ON DECK RIGHT NOW UP UNTIL JUNE!

THE WAY I AM THINKING, GH WILL NOT BE GH AT UNTIL NEXT YEAR.

112288

by **dboss** Sat Mar 02, 2019 4:45 pm

Poor Gordon he had started to get into a nice flow then twists his ankle while working out and fell back down the ladder.

I hope he gets back up the ladder asap.

by **tardust** Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:34 pm

tjmakz wrote:I do not agree with some that say that Boston is better without Kyrie.
The only significant win this season without Kyrie was against Philadelphia.
Almost all of the games Kyrie has sat out were against non playoff teams.
Kyrie has taken over many games at the end and has dominated close wins including all 4 of Boston's overtime wins this season.

I do not feel Kyrie's personality is a great fit in Boston.
It will significantly hurt Boston's future if Kyrie leaves in July, which is looking more likely each week.
Without Kyrie Boston won't be acquiring AD.

A long and successful playoff run could convince Kyrie to stay in Boston long term.

The thing is though they don't lose to the teams they should beat without Kyrie. As I have said many times, Kyrie has never won anything without Lebron, even during the championship runs with Cleveland he lost when Lebron sit. I would love to know his career win loss without Lebron. I bet it is horrible.

by **Ktronic1** Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:22 pm

cowens/oldschool wrote:Last thing I would do is give anybody a 40 million plus contract like John Wall, especially to an injury prone already diva like Kyrie....but love his handles.

^^100%agree!^^

by **RosalieTCeltics** Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:07 pm

Not for anything, but the run they made today was when GH was on the floor. He may not be shooting well, but he is one of the best distributors on the club, rebounds when needed, so I think his offensive troubles are overshadowing what he does on the court. As I
Said before, you can’t get into a rhythm if he is not given the ball to shoot very much. Pay attention to what is going on on that court, you will see what I mean. I will admit, there are times he gives the ball up too much instead of looking for his own shot.

HE IS NOT THE BIGGEST PROBLEM ON THIS TEAM.

by **cowens/oldschool** Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:27 pm

RosalieTCeltics wrote:Not for anything, but the run they made today was when GH was on the floor. He may not be shooting well, but he is one of the best distributors on the club, rebounds when needed, so I think his offensive troubles are overshadowing what he does on the court. As I
Said before, you can’t get into a rhythm if he is not given the ball to shoot very much. Pay attention to what is going on on that court, you will see what I mean. I will admit, there are times he gives the ball up too much instead of looking for his own shot.

HE IS NOT THE BIGGEST PROBLEM ON THIS TEAM.

Today’s first half he killed us, GH couldn’t do a thing, but I agree with you, he is not the biggest problem, the 2 biggest problems are Morris and Rozier both killing us. Hopeing they’re not giving their problem games over to Tatum....

by **Ktronic1** Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:55 am

I feel Morris is doing what he can. Yes he’s had bad games and has made a few bad decisions but for the most part he’s been one of our more consistent players.
For the most part, I like the year he’s having for us.
At this moment this whole frigging team has me pissed off.

by **cowens/oldschool** Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:30 am

Ktronic1 wrote:I feel Morris is doing what he can. Yes he’s had bad games and has made a few bad decisions but for the most part he’s been one of our more consistent players.
For the most part, I like the year he’s having for us.
At this moment this whole frigging team has me pissed off.

Really my eye test tells me he’s been getting worse and worse every week, every game.

He sucked in last years playoffs, he’s as bad or worse right now....he’s playing out of position, has there ever been a starting 4 that is this weak protecting the rim...??? Bad bad tweener

by **cowens/oldschool** Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:32 am

This years defense is not the same, a big reason is Baynes has missed a lot of games and he starts Morris pretty much all the time, who’s the weak link on that defense?

by **RosalieTCeltics** Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:38 pm

Morris has been struggling for a few weeks now. It almost goes back to when he was out with a cranky knee. Remember last year? His knee was a problem throughout the playoffs. He said he used the summer to rehab and the knee was much better at the start of the season. It showed, he was a beast. Then this injury comes along, is there more to his inconsistent play than we are being informed of? I hope not, because we need him at full strength for the playoffs.

I agree with you Cow....he is struggling

by **cowens/oldschool** Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:45 pm

RosalieTCeltics wrote:Morris has been struggling for a few weeks now. It almost goes back to when he was out with a cranky knee. Remember last year? His knee was a problem throughout the playoffs. He said he used the summer to rehab and the knee was much better at the start of the season. It showed, he was a beast. Then this injury comes along, is there more to his inconsistent play than we are being informed of? I hope not, because we need him at full strength for the playoffs.

I agree with you Cow....he is struggling

Unfortunately both ends

by **tardust** Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:56 pm

NYCelt wrote:Rosalie,

Just my guess, but I don't think Kyrie buys into the whole idea of Celtic Pride. I'm not sure that's an issue, though. When you think about it, in his lifetime, The Celtics are just a team that won a title once. For guys in Kyrie's generation, teams like the Celtics, Packers, or Dodgers are just teams they know used to be on top. But that's probably like most of us hearing that the British used to have a dominant military.

I think the bigger question is does he buy into anything beyond being top dog. From what I think we're seeing, Kyrie is a top 10 player in the league. What he wants, however, is to be King on his team. Unfortunately for him, he's just not a leader. I don't think he's got that talent in him. If he would be OK with doing his job, and letting others take the reigns, it should be just fine. I think he would have to play the game the way only he can, take the money, and be happy with that, in order to fit in on the Boston roster longer term. We'll see this off-season.

Regards

there are Batmans and Robins. Kyrie is a great Robin. Don't think he will ever be Batman. How many good teams are actually successful with a small PG dominating the game. Would you rather have a Davis, Freak, Durant, etc leading your team or a Kyrie. Even Lillard kind of falls into that category. They just happen to have another player that gets the ball enough to score 20 plus a game. We don't have anyone thats going to get the opportunity to score 20 a game consistently. Our starting team is slow with Morris and Horford. We don't fast break like most teams. Lots of flaws. With that being said I think they are capable of doing OK in the playoffs. Kyrie will be a big help then. We just have to play together and not worry about who does what. Roles.

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