My post Lottery, no Irving , no Davis off-season

kdp59 wrote:1 )Irving opts out and signs elsewhere-

salary cap number now at $109M with the draft picks  (the salary cap is projected at $109M).

2) Celtics agree to trade on draft day with Memphis:

Hayward and the #20 pick goes to Memphis
M. Conley comes to Boston

Memphis selects J. Morant at #2 in the draft.

Hayward has one more year on his deal which requires us sending the draft pick along.

Salary cap number now at about $107M or $2M UNDER the cap.

3) Celtics draft

#14- Tyler Hero or Keldon Johnson
#22- Romeo Langford or Cam Johnson

4) Celtics renounce rights T. Rozier and M. Morris, meaning we cannot sign them this year.

Cap space now at $19M

5) Horford opts out and Celtics resign him to a 3 yr/$60M deal

Cap space now around $28M

6) Celtics Sign the following Free agents

Marc Gasol- 3 yr/$60M , last year a team option or partial guarantee

Patrick Beverly- 3yr/$20M deal

Both signed with the cap space.

Then resign both D. Theis and B. Wannamker as the cap rules allow ( Theis may be able to get up to $5-6M or not) Wannamaker likely another vet minimum deal

Final Cap number would be around $119M  and UNDER the tax line next season.

We keep all three of our young guys (Tatum, Brown , Smart) and add three players to compete for the title over the next 2-3 years ( Horford, Gasol, Conley)


Roster

Starters:
M. Gasol
A. Horford
Tatum
Brown
Conley

Rotational players:
Smart
Beverly
Baynes
Semi
Theis

Deep bench:
Rob Williams
Yabusele
Wannamaker
T. Herro- #14
C.  Johnson-#22

First take of a non superstar roster ( no Irving,. no Davis, no Durant).

would that team compete in the east next year?

Would Gasol and Conley have enough left teaming with the rest of our roster to drive us   towards the finals?

kdp59 wrote:1 )Irving opts out and signs elsewhere-

salary cap number now at $109M with the draft picks  (the salary cap is projected at $109M).

2) Celtics agree to trade on draft day with Memphis:

Hayward and the #20 pick goes to Memphis
M. Conley comes to Boston

Memphis selects J. Morant at #2 in the draft.

Hayward has one more year on his deal which requires us sending the draft pick along.

Salary cap number now at about $107M or $2M UNDER the cap.

3) Celtics draft

#14- Tyler Hero or Keldon Johnson
#22- Romeo Langford or Cam Johnson

4) Celtics renounce rights T. Rozier and M. Morris, meaning we cannot sign them this year.

Cap space now at $19M

5) Horford opts out and Celtics resign him to a 3 yr/$60M deal

Cap space now around $28M

6) Celtics Sign the following Free agents

Marc Gasol- 3 yr/$60M , last year a team option or partial guarantee

Patrick Beverly- 3yr/$20M deal

Both signed with the cap space.

Then resign both D. Theis and B. Wannamker as the cap rules allow ( Theis may be able to get up to $5-6M or not) Wannamaker likely another vet minimum deal

Final Cap number would be around $119M  and UNDER the tax line next season.

We keep all three of our young guys (Tatum, Brown , Smart) and add three players to compete for the title over the next 2-3 years ( Horford, Gasol, Conley)


Roster

Starters:
M. Gasol
A. Horford
Tatum
Brown
Conley

Rotational players:
Smart
Beverly
Baynes
Semi
Theis

Deep bench:
Rob Williams
Yabusele
Wannamaker
T. Herro- #14
C.  Johnson-#22

First take of a non superstar roster ( no Irving,. no Davis, no Durant).

would that team compete in the east next year?

Would Gasol and Conley have enough left teaming with the rest of our roster to drive us   towards the finals?

k_j_88 wrote:Why would the celtics give AH 60 mil? Hes not worth 20m a year at this point.


Kj

kdp59 wrote:thanks for the input

My thinking was trade Haywards deal for Conley (with irving moving on)

then Adding Gasol and extending Horford is a 2-3 year deal (along with Conley). Can they play at a high enough level over that time as our young guys continue to develop into the stars.

This was really some thoughts about Memphis having the #2 pick in the draft now and Morant being considered the #2 guy. Memphis was also reportedly willing to move Conley at the trade deadline (like they did Gasol)

Beverly brings more to the table than Rozier, IMO at least currently also. and give us another tough defender.

I'm not married to this, just some early thoughts, kinda outside the Anthony Davis box.

kdp59 wrote:tjmakz

I agree, that's why I send the #20 pick along with Hayward.

if they draft Morant to go with Jackson they need a wing for sure...at least in my thinking.

NESportsfan12 wrote:

kdp59 wrote:thanks for the input

My thinking was trade Haywards deal for Conley (with irving moving on)

then Adding Gasol and extending Horford is a 2-3 year deal (along with Conley). Can they play at a high enough level over that time as our young guys continue to develop into the stars.

This was really some thoughts about Memphis having the #2 pick in the draft now and Morant being considered the #2 guy. Memphis was also reportedly willing to move Conley at the trade deadline (like they did Gasol)

Beverly brings more to the table than Rozier, IMO at least currently also. and give us another tough defender.

I'm not married to this, just some early thoughts, kinda outside the Anthony Davis box.

In addition to the worry that the trade for Hayward might be unappealing for teams (even rebuilding ones), I think he showed enough flashes of his former self at the end of last season to warrant giving him another run. 2 years of his contract out the window, but we might still see some value from him yet.

kdp59 wrote:

NESportsfan12 wrote:

kdp59 wrote:thanks for the input

My thinking was trade Haywards deal for Conley (with irving moving on)

then Adding Gasol and extending Horford is a 2-3 year deal (along with Conley). Can they play at a high enough level over that time as our young guys continue to develop into the stars.

This was really some thoughts about Memphis having the #2 pick in the draft now and Morant being considered the #2 guy. Memphis was also reportedly willing to move Conley at the trade deadline (like they did Gasol)

Beverly brings more to the table than Rozier, IMO at least currently also. and give us another tough defender.

I'm not married to this, just some early thoughts, kinda outside the Anthony Davis box.

In addition to the worry that the trade for Hayward might be unappealing for teams (even rebuilding ones), I think he showed enough flashes of his former self at the end of last season to warrant giving him another run. 2 years of his contract out the window, but we might still see some value from him yet.

true....and while we'd still have an apparent glut of wings on the team,  Hayward can as as the de facto PG and run the offense.

In that case Danny could still free up the cap space (since the Conley for Hayward deal is a cap wash) and sing a big man like Gasol, D. Jordan or maybe even Vucavic?

I'm not sure Rubio would play for $8M here (he made $14M this year) and frankly I like Beverly better anyway.

Danny would also likely have to draft a younger PG instead of a SF type (like in my original post).


so some on the fly changes:

Vucevic
Horford
Tatum
Brown
Smart

as starters:

Hayward
Beverly
Baynes
Semi
Theis

as rotational players

Williams
Yabusele
Wannamker
T. Hero- #14
Ty Jerome- #22 pick
#20 pick a draft and stash euro player perhaps

kdp59 wrote:thanks dboss

its just some train of thought- throw it to the wall stuff.

as you can see its even changed on the fly though some input here.


my whole point WAS to have a non super star roster. What if Irving leaves and Davis doesn't come here and Durant joins Irving?

I think there is a good chance we have a non super star team next season.

I agree with some of the others here that Vucevic and Beverly may be a better combo with Hayward likely staying.


of course the chance of THIS happening is about as likely as the Celtics getting the #2 pick in last nights lotto show....so there is that.

k_j_88 wrote:Why would the celtics give AH 60 mil? Hes not worth 20m a year at this point.                              
    Cap management


Kj

kdp59 wrote:Jazz expected to make another push for Mike Conley

At no. 2, the franchise will have its choice of some talented prospects, namely Murray State point guard Ja Morant, a playmaking savant with rocket-boosters for shoes, or Duke forward R.J. Barrett, a tough shotmaker with the potential to emerge as a versatile defender. Morant, especially, seems like an intriguing fit: He would make for a tremendous long-term pick-and-roll partner with Jackson and could learn the tricks of the trade behind veteran point guard Mike Conley Jr. (That is, unless Memphis trades Conley—multiple league sources said this week that the Jazz are expected to make another push for him after failing to land him prior to the deadline.) However, the Grizzlies stand out as the team that should most strongly consider trading down. Since Memphis will cede a future first-round pick to the Celtics, it has extra incentive to use this pick to acquire another asset. – via The Ringer



hmmmmm.......OK for shits and giggles...........should Danny get that #2 pick and go young with Morant by trading #14 , #20 and the Grizzlies future pick back?

kdp59 wrote:since I just updated my draft rankings , my revised no super star off-seaosn would look something like this:

Vucevic- FA
Horford- opts out and signs deal saving cap space
Tatum
Brown
Smart

as starters:

Hayward
Beverly
Baynes
Semi
Theis- resigned

as rotational players

Williams
Wannamker- resigned
Yabusele told to head back to France-Celtics eat his Salary this year

Tyler Hero- #14
http://www.nbadraftroom.com/p/tyler-herro.html

Brandon Clarke- #20
http://www.nbadraftroom.com/p/brandon-clarke.html

Mfiondu Kabengele- #22
http://www.nbadraftroom.com/p/mfiondu-kabengele.html


Questions would be can we get Vucevic to sign here for about $20/year and Beverly at around $7m?