Trade Talk

The draft is November 18th, which is 46 days away from now.  That's a lot of time, as we know, but there are already changes afoot.  For example, just to name the obvious, Philly has a new coach.  There is also trade talk bubbling.

We're starting here with posting new rumors, ideas and offers.  All I ask is that if you're coming up with your own ideas that you make it clear they are yours and if you are citing a report and/or article that you post your source(s) along with your opinions.

I'll start:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/buddy-hield-luke-waltons-phone-calls-kings-trade-request-sixers-nba-003626814.html



Report: Disgruntled Buddy Hield has stopped answering Luke Walton's phone calls



Jack Baer
Jack Baer·Writer

Fri, October 2, 2020, 5:36 PM PDT



We’ve reportedly reached the “ghosting” stage of Buddy Hield’s attempts to signal his discontent with the Sacramento Kings.

The sharpshooter’s relationship with Kings head coach Luke Walton has deteriorated to the point that he is no longer answering the coach’s phone calls, according to The Athletic’s Jason Jones.

It was already known that Hield was unhappy with his place on the Kings and interested in a trade. The Athletic reported in February that he was considering a trade request after Walton had benched him. Nearly eight months and a pandemic later, things do not seem to have improved:


WillEagle
@simmons_szn
Buddy wants to be a Sixer. Make it happen Elton
1:36 PM · Sep 23, 2020·Twitter for iPhone



That right there is the Kings’ young guard liking an Instagram post speculating a trade to the Philadelphia 76ers, then endorsing a message of “Trust the Process” in the comments.

Walton benched Hield back in January in favor of Bogdan Bogdanovic. Hield started well in his new role, but reportedly remained convinced he is still a starter. The Kings eventually finished 31-41 and 2.5 games back from a shot at the playoffs in the NBA bubble.

Hield also hasn’t been too shy about criticizing Walton in the past, alluding to “trust issues” and implying he wanted more time on the court in December.


Buddy Hield doesn't seem too happy with the Kings. (Photo by Michael Reaves/Getty Images)


What is Buddy Hield’s trade value?

Hield signed a four-year, $86 million contract last October that was supposed to keep him in Sacramento until the 2024 offseason.

Even with Hield’s move to the bench and the Kings’ struggles this year, he remains one of the best shooters in the NBA and a likely asset in trade talks. In his last two seasons, Hield has averaged 20 points per game while shooting 41% from 3-point range on 8.7 attempts per game. He’s also thrown in 4.8 rebounds and 2.7 assists per game.

There are few teams that would say no to that kind of shooter in today’s NBA, but figuring out the logistics of a trade could be another story. The Sixers, Hield’s apparently preferred destination, rank toward the bottom of the league in cap space next season, per Spotrac.


bob
MY NOTE:  This trade would certainly go a LONG way to fixing Philly's shooting problems...ours too, but would he come off the bench behind Jaylen?  He signed a 4 year contract extension for $94M/year.  He will make $24.4M next year.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/sacramento-kings/buddy-hield-20211/


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Bob interesting, at this point he may be better than GH, who I root hard for and respect his effort. He’s not near a franchise player, so he can be gotten, just hope it’s not Philly. He would help either team get to the next level. Wonder who could offer a better package, us or Philly?

Bobh,
I'm not sure I understood your thought about getting Buddy Heild. Who can we offer for the trade - GH?

AK

sinus007 wrote:Bobh,
I'm not sure I understood your thought about getting Buddy Heild. Who can we offer for the trade - GH?

AK

GH makes more, so we would have to add other filler, which I would be willing to do.

I can't see Heild coming here. we have little chance of matching his salary back (unless your sending Brown back to the Kings and no one is that stupid)

He'll likely be playing at Philly next season, with Horford moving to the Kings or a third team.

I just can't see anyway Ainge gets a player in a trade that has a salary anywhere close to $20M next year, not unless he moves Kemba, Hayward, Brown or Smart.

Buddy seems like a good trade candidate for Philly but not Boston.
Boston needs to focus on getting a skilled bigger man in my opinion.
They shouldn’t trade assets for a guard.

Trade Gordon for Buddy

Ktron wrote:Trade Gordon for Buddy

Kings don't want Haywards expiring deal, it would make no sense for them. I think Hayward is here until the end of next season when his Max deal expires.

My gut tells me the Nuggets leave no stone unturned this offseason. There was chatter at the deadline around Pelicans guard Jrue Holiday, and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if those discussions get revisited. Holiday has one year left on his contract before he can become a free agent, so the Nuggets would need to assess whether they think he could be a long-term play or if they’re comfortable going for it next season. I think Gary Harris and/or Will Barton could absolutely be used in a trade to land a player like that, along with at least one or two first-round picks. The Nuggets have No. 22 (via Houston) this upcoming draft. – via Mike Singer @ Denver Post


Holiday for Harris or Barton and a first rounder seems like a good move for Denver.

tjmakz wrote:Buddy seems like a good trade candidate for Philly but not Boston.
Boston needs to focus on getting a skilled bigger man in my opinion.
They shouldn’t trade assets for a guard.

+1

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2020/10/boston-celtics-draft-notebook-2020-desmond-bane-interviewed-early-xavier-tillman-more.html


League-wide, rumblings about trading back have bubbled up among many of the higher lottery teams. The Timberwolves, who hold the No. 1 pick, have discussed being “aggressive” and will “look at every avenue” to improve. The Warriors have made it abundantly clear that the No. 2 pick is for sale. The Cavaliers will “explore trade opportunities” at No. 5.

Danny Ainge might be aggressive this offseason. The Celtics have a chance to truly contend, and it’s never too early to start making Tatum as happy as possible.

While win-now moves seem more likely, moving up in the draft will be possible, and the Celtics could find some fits near the top. Anthony Edwards projects to be a high-level scorer, and he could be an All-Star if he maximizes his immense potential. Onyeka Okongwu is tailor-made to be a modern NBA center, particularly on the defensive end. Teams in that range might be willing to talk, and the Celtics have some ammunition.


bob


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BobH,

Would we have to package our picks alone to move up or would we have to give up one (some) of our studs like a GH or a combo?

db

dbrown4 wrote:BobH,

Would we have to package our picks alone to move up or would we have to give up one (some) of our studs like a GH or a combo?  

db

dbrown,

Damn fine question, if you ask me. I suspect our bench is not going to be enough to move the needle. I doubt Gordon would be in the mix unless we take a high-contract veteran off their hands, to make the numbers work. Besides, I don't think Danny is seriously, actively trying to dump Gordon. He'll always consider a good deal, but I cannot see him giving away Gordon for a draft pick. So, that would mean someone who is in the top 8 or 9 would have to go with any picks. If we leave the core out that would mean Theis or Kanter or Wanny or maybe even Romeo and/or Grant.


bob


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bobheckler wrote:

While win-now moves seem more likely, moving up in the draft will be possible, and the Celtics could find some fits near the top. Anthony Edwards projects to be a high-level scorer, and he could be an All-Star if he maximizes his immense potential. Onyeka Okongwu is tailor-made to be a modern NBA center, particularly on the defensive end. Teams in that range might be willing to talk, and the Celtics have some ammunition.


bob


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I bolded the best part of that piece ...LOL.

dbrown,

I think to move up as high as #5 the Celtics would need to package #14 and one of the later picks along with a player like Langford or Robert Williams.

here is a draft value chart (similar to what the NFL uses widely for draft pick value). However the NBA has no real such thing.

this is just for an idea of what picks MAY be valued over all.

http://nbasense.com/draft-pick-trade-value/2/kevin-pelton-2

Draft Pick Trade Value Raw / Normalized Values
Pick Value Normalized
1 4000 100.00
2 3100 77.50
3 2670 66.75
4 2410 60.25
5 2240 56.00
6 2110 52.75
7 2000 50.00
8 1910 47.75
9 1830 45.75
10 1720 43.00
11 1600 40.00
12 1500 37.50
13 1400 35.00
14 1320 33.00
15 1240 31.00
16 1180 29.50
17 1130 28.25
18 1080 27.00
19 1030 25.75
20 980 24.50
21 920 23.00
22 860 21.50
23 800 20.00
24 750 18.75
25 700 17.50
26 660 16.50
27 620 15.50
28 570 14.25
29 520 13.00
30 470 11.75
31 360 9.00
32 350 8.75
33 330 8.25
34 320 8.00
35 300 7.50
36 290 7.25
37 280 7.00
38 270 6.75
39 250 6.25
40 240 6.00
41 230 5.75
42 220 5.50
43 210 5.25
44 200 5.00
45 190 4.75
46 180 4.50
47 170 4.25
48 160 4.00
49 150 3.75
50 140 3.50
51 130 3.25
52 120 3.00
53 110 2.75
54 100 2.50
55 90 2.25
56 90 2.25
57 80 2.00
58 70 1.75
59 60 1.50
60 50 1.25

https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2020/10/05/boston-celtics-targets-change-teams/


Boston Celtics: B/R labels several Cs targets as “likely” to be traded


by Mark Nilon


The Boston Celtics have been linked to several players who Bleacher Report deems as “likely to change teams” this offseason.

It’s not really an offseason unless the Boston Celtics are intertwined with some of the top names rumored to be available, be it by means of free agency or trade. Due to the team’s salary cap situation, the way many publications see the shamrocks adding more top-tier talent before the start of the 2020-21 campaign is via the latter option: offseason trades.

While we do find ourselves covering this hypothetical scenario often, by no means is HH the only outlet that plays the pretend role of General Manager for the Cs. From Celtics Blog to ESPN, many of the biggest publications out there like to dip their toes into the proverbial sands of trade ideas.

We’ve seen a plethora of this year’s most buzzed-about talents linked to Celtics and, naturally, we’ve covered these ideas profusely. To add fuel to these hypothetical fires, Bleacher Report recently came out with an article discussing the league’s best players that are most likely to be dealt this offseason and, to no one’s surprise, found 3 talents that we’ve covered frequently.


The biggest name, as one can probably guess, was Victor Oladipo, followed by the likes of his teammate Myles Turner and disgruntled Sacramento Kings baller Buddy Hield.

Amongst these three players, the one B/R seemed to think would be the most likely target of the Boston Celtics was Turner and, frankly, we couldn’t agree more.

Writer Greg Swartz went into further detail over why teams such as the Cs should be interested in acquiring the big man’s services:

While the 24-year-old center still has three years and $54 million remaining on his deal, his numbers were down all year until he played without Domantas Sabonis in the postseason.

Sabonis missed the first-round series against the Miami Heat due to plantar fasciitis in his left foot, and Turner averaged 15.8 points, 10.8 rebounds and 4.0 blocks while shooting 56.8 percent from the field and 42.9 percent from three, all well above his regular-season averages.

Playing alongside Sabonis severely limited Turner’s individual production over the course of the season. He averaged 25.7 points and 12.0 rebounds per 100 possessions on 48.1 percent shooting with Sabonis on the bench, compared to 15.4 points, 9.8 rebounds and a 42.8 field-goal percentage when the two shared the floor.

The Pacers should see what they can get for Turner, especially since Sabonis can take over as the team’s starting center. Turner has already led the NBA in blocked shots, he’s on a good contract, and he can play a modern game with his floor-spacing.

The Houston Rockets, Dallas Mavericks and Boston Celtics should all be calling about him.

In Beantown, there is certainly no Sabonis to infringe upon Turner’s production. A player such as the 5th-year-pro would be an ideal fit at the pivot in Brad Stevens’ system.

His ability to consistently space the floor, gobble up rebounds, and protect the rim — led the league in blocks in 2019 and was ranked 4th in 2020 — would be welcomed with open arms to a Celtics team that was lacking in both categories from the center position seemingly all throughout this past postseason.

If I’m Danny Ainge, I’m monitoring Myles Turner’s availability closely.


bob
MY NOTE: I would trade Gordon for Turner. Nothing against Hayward but Turner would go a long way towards shoring up our center position.


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That was VERY helpful, guys.  Especially the normalized draft order chart.  Thank you.  Drafting and Trades are areas where I just don't seem to get it.  Forgive me as I talk out loud below!

So what you are saying is we need a multidimensional big.  Someone who can score, spread the floor and rebound, correct?  Whereas Kanter is GREAT at rebounding especially offensive and can score and maybe put up 10 if you need it, I would not consider him multidimensional.  Defense just wasn't his forte. Maybe 1.25 dimensional.  

Theis did the best he could this year in Brad's system.  Maybe a bit undersized against the Embiids and Giannis' of the world but too many fouls whether justified or not made him less effective.  Maybe 1.6 dimensional?  He gets lots of brownie points for playing his ass off.  

RWill was an enigma most of the season but showed flashes of brilliance and had he gotten more playing time, who knows.  But we'll throw this one at Brad's feet for the explanation.  I have no idea how to rate him.  Def could block and alter shots.  He scored when MS would set him up for the backdoor lob, etc.  But he was def filler.    

What we need is at least a 2.0, maybe even a 2.5.  Someone who can score, defend, spread floor, rebound plus steals and blocks/create turnovers, right?  Not the Trinity by committee we had this season.  

All that said, IYHBAO, you believe Myles Turner would be the best for us hands down?

db

P.S.  Could we get both Onyeka Okongwu AND Turner this offseason without upsetting the apple cart?  Does Danny have enough to pull that off?

P.S. Could we get both Onyeka Okongwu AND Turner this offseason without upsetting the apple cart? Does Danny have enough to pull that off?


see....now your getting greedy!!




I think getting Turner is out of Dannys price point, unless he plans on moving one of Tatum, Brown or Smart for him.

that would a no, no, no for me, but who knows with Ainge.

I know people wanna put Hayward with the Pacers because of his Indiana connections. But I really see no reason the Pacers would send us a valuable YOUNG NBA big man, on a good contract for an injury prone player on the last year of a $34M deal.

Maybe someone can explain why the Pacers would do that deal?

back to a Turner trade, I simply don't see any combination of plaeyrs, draft picks that would be the best deal Indy could get for him

Theis, Langford, #14, #26? Not enough salary going back unless its AFTER the draft. And frankly another team could outbid Ainge with that group.

Theis and Smart works for salary cap rules, but do we want that trade?

kdp59,

Just think of me as the idea guy. My wife accuses me of not thinking before I speak a lot of the time. OR I'm the baseball and your the batter. You're not going to like a lot of my pitches. But one of them you'll like and knock it out of the park hopefully with the bases loaded!

I figured that idea was pretty expensive, but Sales 101 says the answer is always no if you don't ask!

db

not a problem for me dbown....I always throw stuff to the walls around here.


it's always fun to discuss options in the off-season to me, and remember you can never take anything I say as gospel, anytime.

Several times over the past several years, Ainge has supposedly been in position to "package mid-to-late 1st round picks to move up in the draft". The one time it happened is when we traded the 16th pick and two 2nd rounders for the opportunity to draft basketball beast Kelly Olynyk with the 13th pick. The other time it came close to happening, Danny would have mortgaged our future to pick Justise Winslow, and I think we are all glad that trade didn't happen. It just doesn't happen in this league. Teams are lucky to hit on anything after the 5th pick. And, rookies rarely contribute. Especially rookies picked with lower picks. Not gonna happen.

If people really want to get a player that moves the needle, it would probably mean trading one of JT, JB, MS, or KW. JT and JB are off the table for me at this point. Trading MS or KW would be risky considering the postive impact both have on team chemistry. No one is trading for Gordon, and I'm okay with that - I think he can help us next year. Our best chance of improving on this year's performance is increased experience and maturity. Not only from the team, but from Brad also - he has to be better too.

shamrock,

you and I agree on how much rookies typical help teams, after the top5 picks in todays NBA.  At least in their first year or two anyway.

I would note the one exception is "older" rookies drafted later. Players who stay in school 3 o 4 years and matured into young men, CAN play sooner in the NBA. They just have a lower ceiling (think of M. Brogdan as an example).

so if Danny is looking to add a player from this draft to be a key part in the rotation next season, he should look to older rookies, IMO.

If Indiana wants to move Turner the Cs can put a nice package together for him starting with Hayward.

The 2020 draft picks, unless Ainge can find a way into the top five or so, are unlikely to have 1000% positive spots on the Cs roster for the next couple of years. We already have a large batch of guys on our 17 man roster who will only be one year from being rookies next season.

Hayward and at least two of this year's first rounders and one or two of our current rookie guys could bring back Turner and another player that Indy would have to send out match Hayward's salary.

wideclyde wrote:If Indiana wants to move Turner the Cs can put a nice package together for him starting with Hayward.  

The 2020 draft picks, unless Ainge can find a way into the top five or so, are unlikely to have 1000% positive spots on the Cs roster for the next couple of years.  We already have a large batch of guys on our 17 man roster who will only be one year from being rookies next season.

Hayward and at least two of this year's first rounders and one or two of our current rookie guys could bring back Turner and another player that Indy would have to send out match Hayward's salary.

I don't see it. Can you explain why you think the Pacers will give up Turner ( under a good contract for three more years) for Hayward?

IMO, getting Turner will require one of our top 4 players, Tatum (no), Brown (No), Smart (no), Kemba (Maybe).

now IF Ainge wants to go big in a trade, I would propose something like, Kemba, Theis, #14 pick for Turner and Oladipo.

Salarys match for the CBA

Kemba and Turner both have three years left on their deals.

Oladipo and Theis have expiring deals.

might take a bit more than #14 to entice The pacers to make that move.

But I would argue that trade balances both teams rosters better and give the Pacers something back for Oladipo IF he really does plan on leaving the next season.

Oladipo would be a one year rental for us likely, however as I doubt we could afford his next deal.

kdp59 wrote:

wideclyde wrote:If Indiana wants to move Turner the Cs can put a nice package together for him starting with Hayward.  

The 2020 draft picks, unless Ainge can find a way into the top five or so, are unlikely to have 1000% positive spots on the Cs roster for the next couple of years.  We already have a large batch of guys on our 17 man roster who will only be one year from being rookies next season.

Hayward and at least two of this year's first rounders and one or two of our current rookie guys could bring back Turner and another player that Indy would have to send out match Hayward's salary.

I don't see it.  Can you explain why you think the Pacers will give up Turner ( under a good contract for three more years) for Hayward?

IMO, getting Turner will require one of our top 4 players, Tatum (no), Brown (No), Smart (no), Kemba (Maybe).

now IF Ainge wants to go big in a trade, I would propose something like, Kemba, Theis, #14 pick for Turner and Oladipo.

Salarys match for the CBA

Kemba and Turner both have three years left on their deals.

Oladipo and Theis have expiring deals.

might take a bit more than #14 to entice The pacers to make that move.

But I would argue that trade balances both teams rosters better and give the Pacers something back for Oladipo IF he really does plan on leaving  the next season.

Oladipo would be a one year rental for us likely, however as I doubt we could afford his next deal.

I like this deal, could hopefully sign Olidipo with GH’s money after next year, hopefully would not be as big as GH’s as primary scorers still would have to be 2 J’s.