NBA trades NOT involving the Celtics

Holiday goes for a package including Bledsoe, Hill and 3 first round picks.

Cancel those Holiday to Boston rumors.

Bucks also to acquire Bogdanovic in a sign-and-trade deal.

www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30333660/sources-milwaukee-bucks-agree-deals-new-orleans-pelicans-jrue-holiday-sacramento-kings-bogdan-bogdanovic

I just read this!!

WOW...the Bucks are NOT standing pat at all.

the top team in the East last season just got a lot STRONGER, though the bench is gone completely depleted right now.

most recent I've seen:

Rockets trade Robert Covington to Blazers

Adrian Wojnarowski: The Rockets are finalizing a trade to send Robert Covington to Portland for Trevor Ariza and 2020 first-round pick and 2021 protected first-round pick, sources tell ESPN. – via Twitter wojespn


Bogdan Bogdanovic

The Milwaukee Bucks are landing Kings guard Bogdan Bogdanovic in a sign-and-trade deal that sends Donte DiVincenzo, Ersan Ilyasova and D.J. Wilson to Sacramento, sources told ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski. The Kings will also send Justin James to the Bucks in the deal, sources said. – via ESPN


Jrue Holiday

Shams Charania: Milwaukee is sending three first-round picks to New Orleans in deal to acquire star Jrue Holiday, sources tell @The Athletic @Stadium. – via Twitter ShamsCharania

Adrian Wojnarowski: New Orleans is nearing completion of a deal to send G Jrue Holiday to Milwaukee for Eric Bledsoe, George Hill and what’s described as “significant” draft compensation, sources tell ESPN. Teams are still working through the picks in trade. – via Twitter wojespn


Chris Paul

The Phoenix Suns today acquired point guard Chris Paul and forward Abdel Nader from the Oklahoma City Thunder in exchange for Kelly Oubre Jr., Ricky Rubio, Ty Jerome, Jalen Lecque and a protected 2022 first-round pick. – via NBA.com


Bruce Brown

Adrian Wojnarowski: The Detroit Pistons are trading G Bruce Brown to the Brooklyn Nets for F Dzanan Musa and a 2021 second-round pick, sources tell ESPN. 22 hours ago – via Twitter wojespn


Dennis Schroder

Ahead of the lifting of the transaction window on Monday afternoon, the Los Angeles Lakers are expected to complete a deal to acquire Oklahoma City guard Dennis Schroder, sources tell ESPN. The Lakers are preparing to send the 28th overall pick in Wednesday night’s NBA draft and guard Danny Green to the Thunder, sources said. 2 days ago – via Adrian Wojnarowski @ ESPN

I do hope these moves convince Giannis to stay. They’ve certainly put in the effort to give him upgraded supporting players.

I'd like to pluck Donte from the Kings.

I usually can't figure out what the Kings are doing and this Bogdanovic trade is another example.
Sacramento will be getting one pretty solid bench player in DiVencenzo.
They will be helping out Milwaukee by signing and trading Bogdanovic to Milwaukee.
Is this really the best the Kings could have received?
It seems like it would have been better to see how the draft plays out before trading a starter for a reserve.
This is a great trade for Milwaukee.

They must really like Donte. It is a sign and trade situation so that could effect compensation.

Nice upgrades for them.

kdp,

As you suggested...

One merged topic for non-Celtic trades.

Seems like a good idea.

Regards

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/houston-rockets-trade-rumors-nba-draft-robert-covington-portland-trail-blazers-trevor-ariza-043326360.html



Report: Houston trading Robert Covington to Portland for Trevor Ariza, draft picks


Ryan Young

Mon, November 16, 2020, 8:33 PM PST



Trevor Ariza is headed back to Houston.

The Houston Rockets are finalizing a deal that will send Robert Covington to the Portland Trail Blazers in exchange for Ariza and two future first-round draft picks, according to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski.

The Rockets will get a first-round pick in Wednesday’s draft and a future first-round pick. The deal will be finalized after Wednesday’s draft.

Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
The Rockets are finalizing a trade to send Robert Covington to Portland for Trevor Ariza and 2020 first-round pick and 2021 protected first-round pick, sources tell ESPN.
8:26 PM · Nov 16, 2020

Ariza averaged 11 points and 4.8 rebounds per game last season in Portland, where he landed midway through the year after starting the season with the Sacramento Kings. The 35-year-old will join the Rockets for the third time, after a one-year stint during the 2009-10 season and then from 2014-18. He has played on four different teams since leaving Houston two years ago.

Covington averaged 11.6 points and eight rebounds last season in Houston, where he landed after starting out the year in Minneapolis. The 29-year-old just wrapped up his seventh season in the league.

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Rockets still dealing with Russell Westbrook, James Harden
While the Rockets made a trade move on Monday night, it wasn’t either the ones that have been getting all of the attention in recent days.

Rockets stars James Harden and Russell Westbrook have made it clear they both want out of Houston. Westbrook requested a trade, and Harden reportedly turned down a massive extension — one that would have paid him a record $50 million per season — while making it clear he wants to be traded to the Brooklyn Nets.

So far, though, it seems as if trade talks for either star haven’t developed much at all. Houston may end up keeping both Harden and Westbrook to start the season — which kicks off on Dec. 22 — or even well into the year.

For now, the Covington-Ariza deal will have to do.


Bob


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thanks, might make it easier to keep up.

well, except its been very quiet since this morning.

The invested by the Bucks begins and ends with securing Giannis. Will Holiday and Bogdanovic put them over the top?

I think not. They will need to rebuild their rotation depth and they have no picks in the draft this year. They will need a lot of veteran minimum deals to complete their team.

It will be interesting to see how Harden fits in with Kyrie. Both of those players need to have the ball in their hands to be effective.

Neither of those players can play defense.

The impending train wreck in Brooklyn just got far more interesting with the potential of Harden coming there.  Get your front row tickets and seats now!! I can't make this up!

I just heard on ESPN that if Harden comes there, the starting 5 will be changed slightly to a Starting 3. The bloated yet misguided, deranged egos of the Starting 3 are far large enough to cover the whole team. By season's end and the injuries pile up, it will be down to a Starting 1. May the best man survive!!

db

dbrown4 wrote:The impending train wreck in Brooklyn just got far more interesting with the potential of Harden coming there.  Get your front row tickets and seats now!!  I can't make this up!  

I just heard on ESPN that if Harden comes there, the starting 5 will be changed slightly to a Starting 3.  The bloated yet misguided, deranged egos of the Starting 3 are far large enough to cover the whole team.  By season's end and the injuries pile up, it will be down to a Starting 1.  May the best man survive!!

db

db I just do not see them being able to play together.

I read that the Celtics spoke with a key player in regards to a trade for Holiday. As we now know that boat don't float. I wonder who it was.

The fact that Boston was looking to get Holiday is the clearest indication of their concern with Kemba Walker. Danny Ainge has done a lot of good work but he never should have signed Kemba Walker to the max deal.

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2020/11/milwaukee-bucks-trades-raise-the-already-high-hurdle-in-front-of-boston-celtics-john-karalis.html


Milwaukee Bucks trades raise the already high hurdle in front of Boston Celtics


Updated 2:29 PM; Today 2:29 PM


By John Karalis | JKaralis@masslive.com



Like an unexpected crash of thunder outside your window at midnight, the Milwaukee Bucks crashed the opening of NBA business under cover of darkness, delivering a big jolt to the NBA.

The Bucks emptied their stash of draft picks for the foreseeable future and landed Jrue Holiday from the New Orleans Pelicans. They then cashed in role players to bring Sacramento Kings sharpshooter Bogdan Bogdanovic, improving the starting lineup around MVP Giannis Antetokounmpo and delivering on a promise to pursue a championship rather than rest on their laurels.

On one end of the equation, it seems ludicrous to suggest a deal that sends five players (Eric Beldsoe, George Hill, Dante DiVincenzo, Ersan Ilyasova, and D.J. Wilson) and what could be five first round picks (This year’s pick from Indiana, unprotected 2025 and 2027 first round picks, and pick swaps in 2024 and 2026) for Holiday and Bogdanovic is fair for the Bucks at all. If you look at it from the perspective of everything going out, it’s an outrageous price to pay for those two players.

However, he big prize in all of this isn’t those two players. It’s keeping Giannis Antetokounmpo and making sure he believes this is a team that will fix what is broken to pursue a title.

Marc Stein of the New York Times tweeted “The last two weeks have been filled with chatter that Giannis Antetokounmpo indeed plans to sign his five-year supermax with the Bucks before the Dec. 21 deadline to do so. The Bucks just made a trade that suggests they must believe it.”

The Milwaukee Bucks don’t get many Giannises floating through town. Even when they have salary cap room to spend, it’s pretty unlikely they’re going to be a star’s first choice. Now that they have Antetokounmpo there, and it seems he’s willing to stay, they have little choice but to make some high-risk moves in order to make him happy. It’s hard to win a championship without an MVP candidate on the roster, and he’s won two straight. Milwaukee’s time is now.


What the Bucks to get in Holiday is a proven performer who can defend just as well, or better, than Bledsoe but who doesn’t fear playoff moments. He can drive and distribute, and the Bucks hope is that with more space created by Antetokounmpo and others, he can improve his outside shooting. Earlier in his career, he shot somewhere between 36% and 38% but that has tailed off in recent years.

Losing Hill’s 46% shooting will hurt a little but Bogdanovic is certainly going to make up for some of that and he is a much more willing shooter, taking a 3-pointer 25% of the time he was on the floor as compared to Hill’s 13.8%. Again, playing alongside Antetokounmpo will give him more open looks, so he’ll likely see a little bump in his 37% shooting.


Add to this mix Khris Middleton, who was an All-Star for the past two seasons, and Brook Lopez, who has mastered patrolling the paint and protecting the rim, and the Bucks have now solidified a better starting lineup than they have in years past.

Yes, they have a bench to build, but they’re good enough now to find potentially cheap help from ring-chasing veterans who can fill some gaps. It’s not a perfect team, but it’s a team that seems to be able to keep Antetokounmpo around for a while.

And that’s what raises the hurdle in front of the Boston Celtics. The Brooklyn Nets and Philadelphia 76ers are already addressing weaknesses and the Nets seem to have an inside track on trading for James Harden. Now the possibility of Antetokounmpo leaving, and maybe even being a player in that sweepstakes, seem to be disappearing. Any playoff run the Celtics are going to make over the course of the Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown era is going to be a rough gauntlet from start to finish, and that’s now magnified with Antetokounmpo seemingly spending his prime years in Boston’s way.


Danny Ainge surely has moves that he wants to make, even though he didn’t have the assets to compete with what Milwaukee just pulled off. It will be interesting to see how Ainge responds, or if he can even come up with a counter-move. If he can’t, Boston might be stuck in the middle of the pack for while.


Bob


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Pretty optimistic assessment of a Bucks team that is one injury or two away from a drastic collapse. Our weak Celtics bench is now stronger than Milwaukee's.

Just for comparison:


https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nba-rumors-celtics-offered-pelicans-204416871.html



NBA Rumors: What Celtics offered Pelicans for Jrue Holiday


Justin Leger

Tue, November 17, 2020, 12:44 PM PST



The Boston Celtics' hopes of acquiring Jrue Holiday from the New Orleans Pelicans were dashed Tuesday as the veteran guard was traded to the Milwaukee Bucks instead.

Milwaukee sent Eric Bledsoe, George Hill, three first-round draft picks, and two future pick swaps to New Orleans in exchange for Holiday. So how did the Celtics' offer compare?

Kevin O'Connor of The Ringer said on WEEI's "Ordway, Merloni & Fauria" Danny Ainge and Co. put Gordon Hayward and a first-round pick on the table, but the Pelicans chose the Bucks' lucrative offer.

OMF
@OMFonWEEI
.@KevinOConnorNBA on #Celtics and trades heading into the draft:

The talk yesterday was Gordon Hayward + 1st to Pelicans for Jrue Holiday. Didn't materialize

KOC: "I heard Chicago asked about Kemba"
11:38 AM · Nov 17, 2020


It's no surprise to see Hayward as the centerpiece of the proposed deal. With the 30-year-old reportedly wanting out of Boston and mulling his $34 million player option, he's a prime candidate for a sign-and-trade.

Hayward and the Celtics agreed to extend his player option deadline from Tuesday to Thursday, which indicates a trade still very much is a possibility. All-Star guard Kemba Walker also has been a prominent name in C's trade rumors recently.

We'll likely know much more about Hayward and Walker's futures in Boston by the end of the 2020 NBA Draft, which is set to begin Wednesday night at 8 p.m.


Bob


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I for one will really miss Gordon. When healthy he was a beautiful performer on the court.

not much getting finalized after that first couple trades yesterday. Kinda surprising to me.

maybe teams can't get things worked out or there is more smoke than fire.

Last night they came across with a rumor that John Wall was being traded for Russell Westbrook, did that ever go throu

Also, Philly intersted in Bradley Beal, (who I would not mind being a Celtic),

Also, they had LaVine on the move possibly to Philly

Adrian Wojnarowski: The Sixers are trading Al Horford and a first-round and second-round pick to the Thunder for Danny Green, sources tell ESPN. – via Twitter wojespn


Adrian Wojnarowski: The Sixers are sending a lightly-protected 2025 first-round pick and the 34th overall pick in tonight’s draft, sources tell ESPN. The Thunder are also sending Terrance Ferguson to the Sixers with Green. – via Twitter wojespn

Don't be even mildly surprised if Horford never even has a chance to buy himself a Thunder hat before OKC flips him.  Ssm Presti is making Danny look like a draft pick lightweight when it comes to accumulating picks.  They are in full-blown rebuild mode.  NO WAY they keep an aging player with that big a contract.


Bob


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The Kings have hit a snag in the sign-and-trade deal that was supposed to send Bogdan Bogdanovic and Justin James to the Milwaukee in exchange for Donte DiVincenzo, Ersan Ilyasova and D.J. Wilson. – via Sacramento Bee


A league source told The Sacramento Bee “there is no deal” when the trade was first reported Monday night and reiterated “there was never a deal” on Wednesday when news broke that the trade might be falling apart. – via Sacramento Bee



whhhhoooopsssssss!!!!