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Post by bobheckler Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:36 am

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/celtics-and-kemba-walker-need-figure-something-out-quickly-season-lost



Where to go from here with Kemba Walker?



20H AGO


BY CHRIS FORSBERG
CELTICS INSIDER



Kemba Walker isn’t himself. His trademark smile, bounce and swagger have disappeared as he labors through the early stages of a return from left knee rehabilitation.

In 10 games since his mid-January return, Walker is shooting 34.2 percent from the floor overall and a meager 30.6 percent beyond the 3-point arc. Three of his worst shooting games in green have come in the past 11 days. The Celtics are a mere 3-7 in the games that Walker has played this season.

The question, of course, is whether this is simply an extended funk for a player that is still working his way back while adjusting to a new role, or a potentially more concerning dip for a small guard who is now north of 30 and has battled chronic knee issues.

Celtics coach Brad Stevens, staunch in his support of Walker, continues to insist its the former.

"He’s a huge part of us, if we’re going to be what we want to be,” Stevens said after Walker missed 10 of his 12 shots in a loss to the Jazz, which included a couple airballs and four blocked shots. "I really, really believe that he will be that guy.”

Let’s dive deeper into what is ailing Walker and what it means to the Celtics moving forward.


THE PICK AND (EYE) ROLL

For the entirety of his basketball career, Walker’s bread and butter has been scoring out of the pick and roll. Over the past three seasons, Walker has averaged a robust 1.04 points per play and has ranked in the 91st percentile or better when finishing plays as the ball-handler in pick-and-rolls, per the NBA’s tracking data.

This year? He’s down at 0.82 points per play and ranks in the 40th percentile. After shooting 47.1 percent in pick-and-roll situations last season, he’s at 36 percent this year. Even more concerning, his free-throw frequency has been sliced in half from just two years ago (only drawing free throws on 5 percent of his finished pick-and-roll plays this season).

Here’s a closer look at Walker’s points per play on plays finished as pick-and-roll ball-handler, with field goal percentage and free-throw frequency, since the NBA started tracking that data during the 2015-16 season:

SEASON.................POSS..........PPP..........PERCENTILE..........FG%..........FTFREQ%
2020-21-------------10-----------0.82-------39.5-----------------36-----------5
2019-20-------------9.6----------1.09-------92.9-----------------47.1---------8.4
2018-19-------------11.8---------1.01-------90.9-----------------44.6--------10.5
2017-18-------------10.8---------1.03-------92-------------------43.9--------13.3
2016-17-------------12.2---------0.98-------86.1-----------------42.9--------9.5
2015-16-------------9.7----------0.89-------80.7-----------------41.5--------10.1

Again, we’re left to wonder if Walker’s downturn is the product of rust after all the downtime and rehab since his knee first became an issue more than a year ago? Has his frustration snowballed and simply impacted his early returns? Or is his hesitation and tentativeness a product of physical limitations from that knee?

The latter is far more troubling than the former.


MODIFYING WALKER’S GAME

By the end of last season, with Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown blossoming and cementing themselves as the focal points of Boston’s offense, Walker embraced being more deferential. He’s going to have to do that even more now and it’s going to require Walker to really modify his game.

A year ago, Walker topped the team with 70.8 touches per game. The Celtics’ offense started with him and a heavy focus on those pick and rolls. This year, Boston wants the ball in the hands of Tatum and Brown more, allowing them to create off the dribble, and that means Walker has to embrace catch-and-shoot opportunities when operating off the ball.

Maybe with a goal of jump-starting Walker and because Boston has routinely been shorthanded, Walker's play type and shot profile hasn’t changed much from a year ago through his first 10 games. Walker is taking only 2.2 catch-and-shot attempts per game this year and making only 31.8 percent of his attempts. Walker needs to find more spots where the attention on Tatum and Brown creates open catch-and-shoot looks. On the encouraging side, Walker shot 42.5 percent on catch-and-shoot chances last year, the second best mark on the team.

Walker might need to embrace the corner 3-pointer more. If half of his shots are going to come beyond the arc, then gravitating to the corner and getting more looks off Tatum and Brown drives could be beneficial. Only two of Walker’s 72 3-point attempts this season have come from the corner and he’s historically leaned on above-the-break pull-ups.

Last season, Walker was vital to Boston’s offensive success. The Celtics had a team-best offensive rating of 115.2 in Walker’s 1,742 minutes of court time. That number dipped to 108.9 in his 1,221 minute on the bench. This year, Boston’s offensive rating is a meager 107.3 with Walker (nearly 5 points lower than the team’s season average) and is 112.7 without him.


KEMBA THE PLAYMAKER AND FINDING SPOTS TO BE AGGRESSIVE

Walker’s evolution to third option means he needs to put more of a priority on playmaking. He’s averaged 5.4 assists per game for his career but he has to more often turn the attention he draws into easy looks for his teammates. His size and vision complicate matters as it’s easy for him to get swallowed up around the basket. But for a player that attacked those pick and rolls with a score-first mentality in the past, he needs to crank up the playmaking slider.

There are going to be times when Walker can ramp up his scoring aggression. On Tuesday night in Utah, the Celtics made Tatum an early sub and will often mask some of their bench scoring woes by running Tatum in reserve heavy lineups. When it’s just him and/or Brown on the court, that’s when Walker can operate at full tilt in those pick and rolls while sharing focal point responsibilities with Brown.

There’s a bigger question here about whether Walker is the ideal fit alongside the Jays. Last season showed that, off the court, he’s undeniably ideal because of his willingness to nurture and support the Jays and their ascension. Now, one season after they were the co-stars to Walker's leading man, that trio has to figure out how they can accentuate each other’s talents when it’s Brown and Tatum in the leading roles.

In 82 minutes together, the Brown/Tatum/Walker trio has a minus-5.6 net rating this year. That’s still a small sample size. But certainly not ideal when the Brown/Tatum combo has a plus-11.0 net rating in the 296 minutes without Walker this season.


THE LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

Here’s the most prickly question of all: If Walker’s struggles persist, or if he can’t figure out how to modify his game to accentuate the Jays, the team has tough decisions about how to proceed. Boston’s title window is open given the development of Brown and Tatum and the Celtics have to maximize every second of the next four years.

Let’s be clear here, this isn’t a “the Celtics need to trade Kemba Walker!” suggestion. It’s too soon to make firm declarations on what becomes of Walker. He clearly has the support of Stevens and there is always the chance that much of this is overreaction to his 2021 shooting woes and his defensive limitations. There is a danger in putting too much stock in a 10-game sample in a wonky year.

But Walker is making a team-high $34.4 million this season. He’s under contract at $36 million next year and holds a $37.7 million option for the 2022-23 season. His contract makes it difficult for the Celtics to maneuver and add impact talent around the Jays.

Walker’s age and price tag don’t make him a particularly valuable trade asset, at least until he’s closer to free agency. The Celtics would be hard pressed to get comparable value and would likely have to take back an aging veteran on a similarly pricey deal, all while giving up other assets. Moving him might be an even riskier play than hoping he finds his way.

Even if he’s not quite the All-Star player he was at the start of his Boston tenure, getting Walker to be an efficient third option that can make life easier for the Jays has to be the priority for Boston. The first 10 games haven’t been encouraging but the Celtics have other issues beyond Walker, including thinned depth from injuries.

Walker needs find the joy he typically plays with. He needs to regain his swagger. We’ve seen glimpses, like in the final moments of the win over the Clippers, which was maybe the most encouraging moment of the recent road trip. Stevens needs to help put him in spots to better thrive. Maybe more time and better health will help the Celtics get this all on track.

But it’s fair to be concerned based on early returns. The jury is out if this is just a blip, or something that will define the Celtics’ 2021 season -- and beyond.


Bob


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Post by NYCelt Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:02 pm

The question of what to do with Walker is easily going to take the entire season to resolve.

He's among the league's better point-guards when healthy. A really steady influence on the floor. At full strength he's a key to title contention.

If that knee isn't going to get any better, however, it's going to be hard for him to adapt. Dealing him away is probably not an option. The best solution might be to cut way back on his minutes, riding Smart upon his return and increasing minutes for Pritchard as well. That might stress the knee less and help healing until the playoffs. You have a three-headed center, may as well add a three-headed point guard.
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Post by RosalieTCeltics Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:09 pm

This appears to me to be as much a mental issue as well as a physical/ability issue. He is always thinking out on the floor, worrying about who is where, when to take a shot and then taking it too late or with too much emphasis on the shot and it back or front rims. I feel the ability is there, I just feel he needs some help getting thru this horrific time. Remember, he has always been a success wherever he has been. High school, college, The Hornets, and even his beginning start here in Boston. Until that all star game that he never should have played in, he has been successful. Once he was out with knee problems for the length of time he was, and then returning too soon, Then not starting with the team this year, this has just been a shock to him. These struggles have weighed heavily on his mind.

There is nothing worse than watching a player of his caliber struggle the way he has. He is such a plus to the locker room and I am sure he is not the same guy. I do not know where this will go, but I hope for his sake that the light goes on and he returns to the guy he was when we signed him. The Celtics have got to find a way of helping this guy thru this. I believe he will come around. This is one of the saddest things I have watched in a long time. It is not because he is not trying, that is the one thing I will say.



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Post by Pumpsie Green Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:54 pm

NYCelt wrote:The question of what to do with Walker is easily going to take the entire season to resolve.

He's among the league's better point-guards when healthy. A really steady influence on the floor. At full strength he's a key to title contention.

If that knee isn't going to get any better, however, it's going to be hard for him to adapt. Dealing him away is probably not an option. The best solution might be to cut way back on his minutes, riding Smart upon his return and increasing minutes for Pritchard as well. That might stress the knee less and help healing until the playoffs. You have a three-headed center, may as well add a three-headed point guard.

Walker said that his knee is fine (which is what I would expect him to say). It could be just him getting his timing back, but don't forget: he got a stem cell injection and to me that means there is more going on than the team is letting on.
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Post by NYCelt Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:05 pm

Pumpsie Green wrote:
NYCelt wrote:The question of what to do with Walker is easily going to take the entire season to resolve.

He's among the league's better point-guards when healthy. A really steady influence on the floor. At full strength he's a key to title contention.

If that knee isn't going to get any better, however, it's going to be hard for him to adapt. Dealing him away is probably not an option. The best solution might be to cut way back on his minutes, riding Smart upon his return and increasing minutes for Pritchard as well. That might stress the knee less and help healing until the playoffs. You have a three-headed center, may as well add a three-headed point guard.

Walker said that his knee is fine (which is what I would expect him to say). It could be just him getting his timing back, but don't forget: he got a stem cell injection and to me that means there is more going on than the team is letting on.

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Post by dboss Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:30 pm

Fosberg at times cannot find the forest for the trees.

Last year we had 4 prime scorers on this team.  With the departure of Gordon Hayward that number is down to 3.  In terns of usage and shot opportunities, Kemba should be able to get just as many good looks as he got last year, not less.  

I remember a game we played against the Hornets a year before we signed him.  Kemba was unguardable and scored in every conceivable way imaginable.  He ended up with 43 points (11/19/2018).  

Fosberg sees the numbers on Walker's PNR production but he just does not get it.  He does not understand what made Kemba a reliable part of a PNR scheme.  So now he suggests that Kemba go park himself in the corner.  

The problems we are seeing with Kemba began last year.  On March 10, 2020 Kemba scored 11 points.   His knee was acting up  before the allstar game on 2/16 and things just got worse from there.

He still has some of quickness off the bounce but it seems he is getting blocked at the rim on a regular basis and now his signature jumper is also being challenged.

So is the knee 100%?  Probably not now or ever again.  There are a lot of miles on those knees.  He has definitely loss some verticality and quickness and that more than anything has negatively impacted his efficiency in the PNR which has been the bread & butter of what he has been best at doing.
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Post by cowens/oldschool Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:31 pm

NYCelt wrote:The question of what to do with Walker is easily going to take the entire season to resolve.

He's among the league's better point-guards when healthy. A really steady influence on the floor. At full strength he's a key to title contention.

If that knee isn't going to get any better, however, it's going to be hard for him to adapt. Dealing him away is probably not an option. The best solution might be to cut way back on his minutes, riding Smart upon his return and increasing minutes for Pritchard as well. That might stress the knee less and help healing until the playoffs. You have a three-headed center, may as well add a three-headed point guard.

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Post by cowens/oldschool Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:42 pm

Until he proves otherwise we have to limit his minutes, maybe he can help us in short bursts, what we can’t do is keep on having him play 30 plus minutes with the ball in his hands away from the 2 J’s as much as he has been doing lately. Prove he can be efficient in short bursts, better for the team too as his horrendous play has contributed very much in losses, impossible to overcome, so that type of play has to be limited....

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Post by Vankisa Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:41 pm

I think Forsberg has many valid points here.

What I find the most aggravating about Kemba's current predicament is that it seems he still has the mindset that he is responsible for "carrying" the team, taking the tough shots, making the tough plays etc. As NYCelt points out, his knee has a different opinion.

So this in particular is SPOT ON in my opinion:
... Even if he’s not quite the All-Star player he was at the start of his Boston tenure, getting Walker to be an efficient third option that can make life easier for the Jays has to be the priority for Boston. The first 10 games haven’t been encouraging but the Celtics have other issues beyond Walker, including thinned depth from injuries ...

This is how Kemba Walker is actually a detriment to the team right now. And this needs to be hashed out asap. It must be frustrating for him, but if Kemba can accept that role he could be a great asset. Not a 35m worth, but I think it is a relatively safe bet he will not come back to that level of play. I would be ok if he grows into a Dragic type of player for us.

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Post by Shamrock1000 Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:16 pm

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Walker said that his knee is fine (which is what I would expect him to say). It could be just him getting his timing back, but don't forget: he got a stem cell injection and to me that means there is more going on than the team is letting on.

Totally agree. Other than bone marrow transplants, there are really very stem cell treatments for which there is any scientific evidence of efficacy. Maybe someday, but not yet. If he is getting stem cell injections, I interpret that as there is still something wrong with the knee and they have no idea what to do.

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Post by worcester Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:40 pm

Remember when I said he should wait until after the ASG before coming back?
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Post by jrleftfoot Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:12 am

Tonight was Kemba's 11th game back after a long absence, and probably his best since returning. I think a lot of his problem has been poor decision making , probably due to pressing. Tonight, after a couple early forays into traffic, he started hitting shots and let the game come to him. Let's hope that continues.
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Post by cowens/oldschool Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:33 am

jrleftfoot wrote:Tonight was Kemba's 11th game back after a long absence, and probably his best since returning. I think  a lot of his problem has been poor decision making , probably due to pressing. Tonight, after a couple early forays into traffic, he started hitting shots and let the game come to him. Let's hope that continues.

A key was he was in a lesser role, to score and create for others and have to score is too much for him right now obviously. I have been saying for weeks to decrease his load, let the J’s take turns running the offense, well it sure looked good tonite, also getting PP and Semi going big time.

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Post by jrleftfoot Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:03 pm

cowens/oldschool wrote:
jrleftfoot wrote:Tonight was Kemba's 11th game back after a long absence, and probably his best since returning. I think  a lot of his problem has been poor decision making , probably due to pressing. Tonight, after a couple early forays into traffic, he started hitting shots and let the game come to him. Let's hope that continues.

A key was he was in a lesser role, to score and create for others and have to score is too much for him right now obviously. I have been saying for weeks to decrease his load, let the J’s take turns running the offense, well it sure looked good tonite, also getting PP and Semi going big time.
                I agree wholeheartedly. He can play off the ball if he is hitting his shots.
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Post by Vankisa Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:04 pm

cowens/oldschool wrote:
jrleftfoot wrote:Tonight was Kemba's 11th game back after a long absence, and probably his best since returning. I think  a lot of his problem has been poor decision making , probably due to pressing. Tonight, after a couple early forays into traffic, he started hitting shots and let the game come to him. Let's hope that continues.

A key was he was in a lesser role, to score and create for others and have to score is too much for him right now obviously. I have been saying for weeks to decrease his load, let the J’s take turns running the offense, well it sure looked good tonite, also getting PP and Semi going big time.

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