This team needs to blow it up too

MY NOTE:  This being a thread about trading players en masse (i.e. "blowing it up") this seems like a good spot for this article.  I will reserve my opinions about these "potential trade targets" until the end of the article.


https://www.yahoo.com/sports/potential-trade-targets-starting-december-223101624.html



Potential trade targets starting on December 15


Yossi Gozlan
Wed, December 8, 2021, 2:31 PM


With the NBA season more than a quarter of the way complete, teams are finally starting to understand their rosters and if changes are required. There hasn’t been a trade in two months but discussions should begin to pick up soon as most players that were free agents in the offseason will become trade-eligible on December 15. The trade deadline is also two months away, so transactions should start occurring soon. Here are some players that are set to become eligible next week:


Kemba Walker (New York)


Kemba Walker

Kemba Walker’s decline hay have come more rapidly than many realized. Tom Thibodeau removed Walker from the Knicks’ rotation despite him being just two years removed from being selected as an All-Star starter. The decision was due to defense as the Knicks’ starting lineup with Walker has a 118.9 defensive rating, which is the most among lineup combinations that have played at least 100 minutes together. While the goal was to improve defensively, they’ve actually performed worse on that end while slightly performing better offensively. It may take some time for the Knicks to figure out how to strive without Walker, but the early returns are not looking good.

Walker should become available for trade assuming his exile from the rotation is permanent. After seeing the Celtics and Knicks give up on him, it’s hard to imagine what kind of role he will have in the league going forward. Seeing how he is just making $8.7 million this season and $9.2 million the next, it shouldn’t be hard for interested teams to acquire him and they can justifiably bring him off the bench at his salary. Teams who could improve their bench scoring like Milwaukee, Chicago, and Toronto could take a flier on him.


Dennis Schroeder (Boston)


Dennis Schroeder, Boston Celtics

Dennis Schroeder has played very well for the Celtics so far this season. His numbers and efficiency are on par with where he left off with Oklahoma City in 2019-20. He’s had to start the majority of Boston’s games so far with Jaylen Brown missing time with a hamstring injury and has held his own in those games. He has certainly exceeded his $5.9 million salary and should get a considerable raise this offseason. Schroeder’s contractual situation could make it difficult for the Celtics to retain him and thus could consider trading him.

Boston holds his non-Bird rights which limits them to re-signing him to a four-year, $30.4 million deal with a starting salary of $7.1 million. While very few teams are projected to have significant cap space this offseason, offers for Schroeder can begin at the full mid-level exception. It is projected with a starting salary of $10.1 million with teams being able to offer him up to four years, $43.4 million. Boston isn’t projected to have access to the full mid-level exception next offseason to increase their offer, nor may they want to go over the luxury tax to keep him or become hard capped doing so. If the Celtics are still hovering above .500 around the trade deadline and they’re unsure about keeping him long-term, it would make sense to trade him.


Kelly Oubre Jr. (Charlotte)


Kelly Oubre, Charlotte Hornets

Kelly Oubre Jr. has been valuable for the Hornets this season. The Hornets hold the league’s fourth-best offensive rating and Oubre’s 15 points per game off the bench contributes towards that. They play a very thin bench and are below league-average in bench scoring and differential. Oubre has been an important part in keeping their bench production afloat and at $12 million this season, the Hornets are certainly getting their money’s worth.

Charlotte has a lot of offensive talent on their roster but is also well below league average defensively, and their defensive rating has plummeted to league-bottom over the past few weeks. While they’ve been able to outscore their opponents enough to stay afloat so far, it may not be sustainable. If they decide to make a move to improve their defensive personnel, Oubre makes sense to move mostly because of his large salary slot which Charlotte lacks.


Will Barton (Denver)



The Denver Nuggets could be looking at a potentially lost season due to all the injuries they’ve endured thus far. As long as Nikola Jokic is healthy, he will keep the Nuggets in the mix for the play-in. Aside from the injuries, things are already looking very shaky as their defense has fallen off a cliff after starting the season at the top. Their performance towards the trade deadline could be worth keeping an eye on because if things fall off the rails, they could potentially be open to moving role players.

One such player that comes to mind is Will Barton. He’s in his age-31 season and so far is having a career year across the board on great efficiency, largely thanks to his higher usage. If he continues to play well and Denver slides, it could make sense to trade him if there are strong offers. A package with a good young guard or perhaps even a late-first round pick might be enticing enough to accept. Alternatively, Denver could look to consolidate him with a future first-round pick for an upgrade at shooting guard.


Kelly Olynyk (Detroit)



Kelly Olynyk was brought in to boost Detroit’s three-point shooting but he’s been mostly unavailable due to a knee injury. The Pistons have been unable to score or make threes well at all this season, but his return and enough time building chemistry with Cade Cunningham should help improve their shooting.

Despite Detroit’s need for Olynyk’s skillset, he is by no means untouchable. The Pistons are one of the league’s deepest rebuilding teams and most likely all their veterans can be acquired for the right price. Olynyk is on a very reasonable three-year, $37.2 million contract that is only guaranteed for $3 million in year three. Teams who could use a stretch-five like Olynyk include Boston, Dallas, Philadelphia, and Sacramento.


Daniel Theis (Houston)


Daniel Theis, Houston Rockets

Daniel Theis is a very productive big man who can help many competitive teams. When he was sign-and-traded to the Rockets, it felt like a long-term asset play on their part. They are in the midst of a long rebuild where no veteran should be off-limits in a trade. Houston’s recent success with him out of the rotation should make him very available, especially with Christian Wood striving at center and the emergence of Alperen Sengun.

At four years, $35.6 million, Theis’ deal is very moveable and could be attractive for many good teams. A trade would be a good piece of business for him as he has a 15 percent trade kicker. He might not fit in Houston’s timeline in the long run and perhaps he got that trade kicker negotiated in with that in mind. Teams like Atlanta, Charlotte, Minnesota, and San Antonio make sense for Theis.


Doug McDermott (San Antonio)


Doug McDermott, San Antonio Spurs

The Spurs continue to tread as competitively as possible while simultaneously developing their young players. They may continue this path for as long as Gregg Popovich remains head coach. If the Spurs go in another direction and fully embrace a rebuild, McDermott would be a prime trade candidate at some point.

McDermott got a raise last offseason and he’s playing up to the value of his deal. He’s currently averaging career highs in three-pointers made per game and three-point percentage at 42.6 percent. The Spurs are dead last in the league in three-pointers, so McDermott and Bryn Forbes still hold a lot of value for them. At $13.7 million annually, any team needing three-point shooting should be able to acquire him in the future.


Bob
MY NOTE:  I don't see a snowflake's chance in Hell of Brad trading for Kemba, not even at his reduced salary.  Will/is he "on the block"?  Probably, but not to us.  

Schroder is an obvious trade FROM us to someone and has been discussed quite a bit on this board.  

Oubre is a good player but I don't see him here.  We need consistent scoring, and maybe he can give us that (46% fg%, 38.5% from 3) but I see him as a bigger version of Josh Richardson (6'7" vs 6'5").  Their contracts are almost identical at $12M/year for the next 2 years.  JRich's defensive rating is better than Oubre's, but maybe that's because we're a better defensive team than Charlotte.  Oubre is averaging 28.9mpg vs 24.4mpg for JRich.  I'd consider this trade, straight up, maybe even throwing in a 2nd rounder.  A bigger player, a more prolific shooter that should also free up minutes for Nesmith since he's not in direct competition like JRich is.

I don't watch anywhere near enough Nuggets basketball to have an opinion on Will Barton.  Everything about him looks good.  His contract is $15+ this year and $16+ next year, so it'd have to be JRich + TPE.  At almost 31 years old though, man, I just don't know.  If we need change, and can't do much more than a tweak, this might be a good tweak.

I would trade for the other Kelly just to see Cowens' head explode.  Clean up in aisle 6!

I'm a big fan of Theis', I have been since I first started watching film of him in Germany, but I think this train has pulled out of the station.  I know Jayson would love to have Theis setting those screens for him but that's just not enough of a reason.  

It is a tribute to McBucket's singular marketable skill that he has survived in this league until now.  I thought he was too slow on defense when he came into the league and, at almost 30 years old (January 3rd), he's still no twinkletoes.  He can shoot though, and if Ime really is a defensive-oriented coach he should be able to come up with some schemes that can mitigate McDermott's lead feet.  He's 6'7" tall, so he has the height.  He's under contract until 2023-2024, so two more years after this one @ $13.75M/year.  Who would I give up for him?  Nobody that I like, because I'm not impressed with one-dimensional players.  Then again, I was never a fan of Kyle Korver's except for when he was raining 3s on us, so...If there's a player on the Spurs I covet it's one with the same initials as Doug McDermott, and that's Dejounte Murray.


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Lots of ideas thrown out here and it appears that we all agree that a change is needed.
I have given this a lot of thought and will continue to until we are back in contention.
I honestly have to say that based on my observation over the past 5-6 years, that there is a growing concern on my part that this 2 J thing may not work.
I’m not the one taking the shots, dribbling or passing the ball so don’t shoot the messenger.
When we were in the ECF the first couple of times 2 J’s were not the big guns. They still had carnation on their breath and were not expected to lead. Back then we had other so-called leaders and best players.
However, since then, 2 J’s have grown to the point where over the past 2 yrs, they became the best players on this team and this team has not gotten any better. In fact we are worse. Not entirely the 2 J’s fault as there have been several moving parts and some pretty bad decisions and indecision’s on the part of the front office.
Based on everything I’ve witnessed up to this point I am beginning to feel that we need one significant addition (a strong PG), preferably a star player thats going to set the 2’J’s up and straight OR addition by subtraction has to take place meaning one J must go.
I prefer the former. Adding another star to go along with 2 J and I know thats easier said then done. How do we facilitate one or the other? Haven’t a clue and its not my job but one or the other has to be facilitated within the next 6-9 months. If not we’ll be irrelevant and probably wont see 18 because none of us will be around to fog up a mirror.
Ive heard the words overrated and selfish but I’m not going to go that far-yet.
There’s also talk of a stench in the locker room that still hasn’t dissipated.
None of us know for sure but what is sure is that this teams performance, not the losses has irritated me to no end.
The effort, and the inconsistency. Did I say effort? This is what wearing on me and I’m sure most of you.
Cue Sam Cooke’s “ A Change is Gonna Come”.

Thanks for the tradeable info gyso. According to your list, excluding the J's we have 12 tradeable players between now and the end of January.

Are there trades there that could interest a team like the Thunder with 6 draft picks next year including two of their own, one of which will be quite high? Would giving up Schröder this year to get a decent pick from someone and raise our own chances of a better pick his loss might cause in our standing be worth it? I don't approve of tanking personally at all, just throwing it out there though.

No draft pick is a sure thing, always a gamble. We did well with the J's, prior history was not good.

Brad for sure has his own ideas and as dbrown said

dbrown4 wrote:We'll never know what Brad is up to until an announcement is made (or not).  

db      

bygone wrote:Thanks for the tradeable info gyso. According to your list, excluding the J's we have 12 tradeable players between now and the end of January.

Are there trades there that could interest a team like the Thunder with 6 draft picks next year including two of their own, one of which will be quite high? Would giving up Schröder this year to get a decent pick from someone and raise our own chances of a better pick his loss might cause in our standing be worth it? I don't approve of tanking personally at all, just throwing it out there though.

No draft pick is a sure thing, always a gamble. We did well with the J's, prior history was not good.

Brad for sure has his own ideas and as dbrown said

dbrown4 wrote:We'll never know what Brad is up to until an announcement is made (or not).   

db      

Hi bygone,

I see from your 'join' date that you've been a member of this board since October 26, 2009.  That's two days before I joined, old timer.  Hope to see you around a bit more.


Bob


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Theis and Olynyk are available. I choose Theis.

Who here would trade Freedom for Theis? The salaries may not match, so TPEs and second round picks may come into play.

The question remains, who here would trade Freedom for Theis?

Why would this team go back and get players that were discarded? I like Theis too but lets move on.

Ktron wrote:Why would this team go back and get players that were discarded? I like Theis too but lets move on.

I guess that's a "No". You prefer Kanter, all things considered.

Recent examples of recycled players: Horford and Kanter.

Recent wish lists on this board: Rondo and Rozier.

gyso wrote:

Ktron wrote:Why would this team go back and get players that were discarded? I like Theis too but lets move on.

I guess that's a "No".  You prefer Kanter, all things considered.  

Recent examples of recycled players: Horford and Kanter.

Recent wish lists on this board: Rondo and Rozier.

You’re right and I asked and am still wanting I.T. To be brought back So I’ll reKant. :>)

While we all see the freakish athleticism of RWill for a few years now, I’m starting to have my doubts about him. Zubac outplayed him last game. Javele McGee completely destroyed us inside as RWill, Al and Freedom were useless to put up any kind of fight inside. Javele McGee has been a back up journey man at best, is no spring chicken himself and he outplayed all our bigs. Reminds me of the game from last year, a no name at the time, Moses Brown grabbed 21 rebounds against RWill. F..kin Javele McGee dominated us….let that sink in.

Ktron wrote:Lots of ideas thrown out here and it appears that we all agree that a change is needed.
I have given this a lot of thought and will continue to until we are back in contention.
I honestly have to say that based on my observation over the past 5-6 years, that there is a growing concern on my part that this 2 J thing may not work.
I’m not the one taking the shots, dribbling or passing the ball so don’t shoot the messenger.
When we were in the ECF the first couple of times 2 J’s were not the big guns. They still had carnation on their breath and were not expected to lead. Back then we had other so-called leaders and best players.
However, since then, 2 J’s have grown to the point where over the past 2 yrs, they became the best players on this team and this team has not gotten any better. In fact we are worse. Not entirely the 2 J’s fault as there have been several moving parts and some pretty bad decisions and indecision’s on the part of the front office.
Based on everything I’ve witnessed up to this point I am beginning to feel that we need one significant addition (a strong PG), preferably a star player thats going to set the 2’J’s up and straight OR addition by subtraction has to take place meaning one J must go.
I prefer the former. Adding another star to go along with 2 J and I know thats easier said then done. How do we facilitate one or the other? Haven’t a clue and its not my job but one or the other has to be facilitated within the next 6-9 months. If not we’ll be irrelevant and probably wont see 18 because none of us will be around to fog up a mirror.
Ive heard the words overrated and selfish but I’m not going to go that far-yet.
There’s also talk of a stench in the locker room that still hasn’t dissipated.
None of us know for sure but what is sure is that this teams performance, not the losses has irritated me to no end.
The effort, and the inconsistency. Did I say effort? This is what wearing on me and I’m sure most of you.
Cue Sam Cooke’s “ A Change is Gonna Come”.

I don’t think it’s the J’s, they are not the problem, they are still our strength. It’s all the other pieces around them, Smart with another epic brick laying performance where in the first quarter he couldn’t even hit the rim on 3-4 shots he was so inept. Al can’t hit 3’s anymore. He helped us get rid of Kemba, but is no spring chicken himself. Another poster noted on the Game On that everyone on the Suns can shoot, I noticed on the Jazz everyone on that roster/floor can shoot and drain 3’s. Maybe the way to go, is enough paint protection and rebounding with lockdown shooters, don’t even need superstars. That isn’t a knock on 2 J’s, with a healthy Jaylen, the version that’s as good or better than Tatum, we would have won a lot of these recent close games IMHO.

We have half a team right now. The other half will show up once we do a major trade or two and bring in players who know their roles and responsibilities and can execute them!

One thing for sure....they ain't firing the coach!

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Bob,

I think we all including myself start talking about what we need on the team that has not been given to us now with the current roster. A few that stand out is a real low post presence on both sides of the ball, DEFENSE, and a SNIPER......a guy(s) that can do one thing great - score!

I would like us to start sifting through the NBA and see who would be the potential candidates to fill the 3 needs listed above.

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bobheckler wrote:MY NOTE:  This being a thread about trading players en masse (i.e. "blowing it up") this seems like a good spot for this article.  I will reserve my opinions about these "potential trade targets" until the end of the article.


https://www.yahoo.com/sports/potential-trade-targets-starting-december-223101624.html



Potential trade targets starting on December 15


Yossi Gozlan
Wed, December 8, 2021, 2:31 PM


With the NBA season more than a quarter of the way complete, teams are finally starting to understand their rosters and if changes are required. There hasn’t been a trade in two months but discussions should begin to pick up soon as most players that were free agents in the offseason will become trade-eligible on December 15. The trade deadline is also two months away, so transactions should start occurring soon. Here are some players that are set to become eligible next week:


Kemba Walker (New York)


Kemba Walker

Kemba Walker’s decline hay have come more rapidly than many realized. Tom Thibodeau removed Walker from the Knicks’ rotation despite him being just two years removed from being selected as an All-Star starter. The decision was due to defense as the Knicks’ starting lineup with Walker has a 118.9 defensive rating, which is the most among lineup combinations that have played at least 100 minutes together. While the goal was to improve defensively, they’ve actually performed worse on that end while slightly performing better offensively. It may take some time for the Knicks to figure out how to strive without Walker, but the early returns are not looking good.

Walker should become available for trade assuming his exile from the rotation is permanent. After seeing the Celtics and Knicks give up on him, it’s hard to imagine what kind of role he will have in the league going forward. Seeing how he is just making $8.7 million this season and $9.2 million the next, it shouldn’t be hard for interested teams to acquire him and they can justifiably bring him off the bench at his salary. Teams who could improve their bench scoring like Milwaukee, Chicago, and Toronto could take a flier on him.


Dennis Schroeder (Boston)


Dennis Schroeder, Boston Celtics

Dennis Schroeder has played very well for the Celtics so far this season. His numbers and efficiency are on par with where he left off with Oklahoma City in 2019-20. He’s had to start the majority of Boston’s games so far with Jaylen Brown missing time with a hamstring injury and has held his own in those games. He has certainly exceeded his $5.9 million salary and should get a considerable raise this offseason. Schroeder’s contractual situation could make it difficult for the Celtics to retain him and thus could consider trading him.

Boston holds his non-Bird rights which limits them to re-signing him to a four-year, $30.4 million deal with a starting salary of $7.1 million. While very few teams are projected to have significant cap space this offseason, offers for Schroeder can begin at the full mid-level exception. It is projected with a starting salary of $10.1 million with teams being able to offer him up to four years, $43.4 million. Boston isn’t projected to have access to the full mid-level exception next offseason to increase their offer, nor may they want to go over the luxury tax to keep him or become hard capped doing so. If the Celtics are still hovering above .500 around the trade deadline and they’re unsure about keeping him long-term, it would make sense to trade him.


Kelly Oubre Jr. (Charlotte)


Kelly Oubre, Charlotte Hornets

Kelly Oubre Jr. has been valuable for the Hornets this season. The Hornets hold the league’s fourth-best offensive rating and Oubre’s 15 points per game off the bench contributes towards that. They play a very thin bench and are below league-average in bench scoring and differential. Oubre has been an important part in keeping their bench production afloat and at $12 million this season, the Hornets are certainly getting their money’s worth.

Charlotte has a lot of offensive talent on their roster but is also well below league average defensively, and their defensive rating has plummeted to league-bottom over the past few weeks. While they’ve been able to outscore their opponents enough to stay afloat so far, it may not be sustainable. If they decide to make a move to improve their defensive personnel, Oubre makes sense to move mostly because of his large salary slot which Charlotte lacks.


Will Barton (Denver)



The Denver Nuggets could be looking at a potentially lost season due to all the injuries they’ve endured thus far. As long as Nikola Jokic is healthy, he will keep the Nuggets in the mix for the play-in. Aside from the injuries, things are already looking very shaky as their defense has fallen off a cliff after starting the season at the top. Their performance towards the trade deadline could be worth keeping an eye on because if things fall off the rails, they could potentially be open to moving role players.

One such player that comes to mind is Will Barton. He’s in his age-31 season and so far is having a career year across the board on great efficiency, largely thanks to his higher usage. If he continues to play well and Denver slides, it could make sense to trade him if there are strong offers. A package with a good young guard or perhaps even a late-first round pick might be enticing enough to accept. Alternatively, Denver could look to consolidate him with a future first-round pick for an upgrade at shooting guard.


Kelly Olynyk (Detroit)



Kelly Olynyk was brought in to boost Detroit’s three-point shooting but he’s been mostly unavailable due to a knee injury. The Pistons have been unable to score or make threes well at all this season, but his return and enough time building chemistry with Cade Cunningham should help improve their shooting.

Despite Detroit’s need for Olynyk’s skillset, he is by no means untouchable. The Pistons are one of the league’s deepest rebuilding teams and most likely all their veterans can be acquired for the right price. Olynyk is on a very reasonable three-year, $37.2 million contract that is only guaranteed for $3 million in year three. Teams who could use a stretch-five like Olynyk include Boston, Dallas, Philadelphia, and Sacramento.


Daniel Theis (Houston)


Daniel Theis, Houston Rockets

Daniel Theis is a very productive big man who can help many competitive teams. When he was sign-and-traded to the Rockets, it felt like a long-term asset play on their part. They are in the midst of a long rebuild where no veteran should be off-limits in a trade. Houston’s recent success with him out of the rotation should make him very available, especially with Christian Wood striving at center and the emergence of Alperen Sengun.

At four years, $35.6 million, Theis’ deal is very moveable and could be attractive for many good teams. A trade would be a good piece of business for him as he has a 15 percent trade kicker. He might not fit in Houston’s timeline in the long run and perhaps he got that trade kicker negotiated in with that in mind. Teams like Atlanta, Charlotte, Minnesota, and San Antonio make sense for Theis.


Doug McDermott (San Antonio)


Doug McDermott, San Antonio Spurs

The Spurs continue to tread as competitively as possible while simultaneously developing their young players. They may continue this path for as long as Gregg Popovich remains head coach. If the Spurs go in another direction and fully embrace a rebuild, McDermott would be a prime trade candidate at some point.

McDermott got a raise last offseason and he’s playing up to the value of his deal. He’s currently averaging career highs in three-pointers made per game and three-point percentage at 42.6 percent. The Spurs are dead last in the league in three-pointers, so McDermott and Bryn Forbes still hold a lot of value for them. At $13.7 million annually, any team needing three-point shooting should be able to acquire him in the future.


Bob
MY NOTE:  I don't see a snowflake's chance in Hell of Brad trading for Kemba, not even at his reduced salary.  Will/is he "on the block"?  Probably, but not to us.  

Schroder is an obvious trade FROM us to someone and has been discussed quite a bit on this board.  

Oubre is a good player but I don't see him here.  We need consistent scoring, and maybe he can give us that (46% fg%, 38.5% from 3) but I see him as a bigger version of Josh Richardson (6'7" vs 6'5").  Their contracts are almost identical at $12M/year for the next 2 years.  JRich's defensive rating is better than Oubre's, but maybe that's because we're a better defensive team than Charlotte.  Oubre is averaging 28.9mpg vs 24.4mpg for JRich.  I'd consider this trade, straight up, maybe even throwing in a 2nd rounder.  A bigger player, a more prolific shooter that should also free up minutes for Nesmith since he's not in direct competition like JRich is.

I don't watch anywhere near enough Nuggets basketball to have an opinion on Will Barton.  Everything about him looks good.  His contract is $15+ this year and $16+ next year, so it'd have to be JRich + TPE.  At almost 31 years old though, man, I just don't know.  If we need change, and can't do much more than a tweak, this might be a good tweak.

I would trade for the other Kelly just to see Cowens' head explode.  Clean up in aisle 6!

I'm a big fan of Theis', I have been since I first started watching film of him in Germany, but I think this train has pulled out of the station.  I know Jayson would love to have Theis setting those screens for him but that's just not enough of a reason.  

It is a tribute to McBucket's singular marketable skill that he has survived in this league until now.  I thought he was too slow on defense when he came into the league and, at almost 30 years old (January 3rd), he's still no twinkletoes.  He can shoot though, and if Ime really is a defensive-oriented coach he should be able to come up with some schemes that can mitigate McDermott's lead feet.  He's 6'7" tall, so he has the height.  He's under contract until 2023-2024, so two more years after this one @ $13.75M/year.  Who would I give up for him?  Nobody that I like, because I'm not impressed with one-dimensional players.  Then again, I was never a fan of Kyle Korver's except for when he was raining 3s on us, so...If there's a player on the Spurs I covet it's one with the same initials as Doug McDermott, and that's Dejounte Murray.


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Trade availability, Player by player:
2021-2022 Base Salary:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/cap/

Jayson Tatum: No restrictions.
$28,103,500

Al Horford: No restrictions.
$27,000,000

Jaylen Brown: No restrictions.
$24,830,357

Juan Hernangomez: No restrictions.
$6,175,440

Romeo Langford: No restrictions.
$3,804,360

Aaron Nesmith: No restrictions.
$3,631,200

Grant Williams: No restrictions.
$2,617,800

Payton Pritchard: No restrictions.
$2,137,440

Bruno Fernando: No restrictions.
$1,782,621

Enes Kanter Freedom: Trade Restriction: This player cannot be traded until Dec 15, 2021.
$2,641,691

Dennis Schröder: Trade Restriction: This player cannot be traded until Dec 15, 2021.
$5,890,000

Josh Richardson: Trade Restriction: This player cannot be traded until Jan 07, 2022.
$11,615,328

Jabari Parker: Trade Restriction: This player cannot be traded until Jan 19, 2022.
$2,239,544

Marcus Smart: Trade Restriction: This player cannot be traded until Jan 25, 2022.
$13,839,285

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Robert Williams III: Trade Restriction: This player cannot be traded until Jul 01, 2022.
$3,661,976

My note: I added the player's salary to this list.  There are four weeks left before JRich's salary is available for trading.  We will have to put up with mediocre basketball for a bit still before Brad and Co. can use his salary to add whatever is missing for this team.

RWill is below the line because he is not available for a trade before the deadline, due to his "upcoming contract extension".

BOLD Salary numbers are players I expect Brad will try to move.

I’m kind of torn over Smart, his best role was coming off the bench to add toughness and grit to either guard spot, but it’s so obvious he is not a full time point guard, just doesn’t have the burst or skills. It’s a shame Schroder will be leaving, he definitely has the attributes for the point and if Jaylen was healthy; the floor would open up for him even more playing off 2 J’s. Gonna be hard to find a point as good as Schroder, they don’t just fall off trees and teams don’t give away those kind of players.

dboss wrote:If Boston managed to win 114-111 last night, which was a real possibility, we would not be pulling our hair out.

I am going to be the voice of reason.

Calm the f down.  We will not be blowing this team up.  Some roster moves are needed but we knew this going into the season.  Did anybody out there really believe that Brad assembled a championship contender?

We are what our record says we are.  Nothing more and nothing less.  13 wins and 13 losses.

At this point it’s not about wins and losses it’s about how they’re playing. If you think subtle moves are going to improve this team and the effort that’s being put out, please expound on what you’re thinking. After LA LA (& not talking about Carmelo’s old lady) and PHX,  I’m now convinced that we need to check the footlocker for hand grenades!

cowens/oldschool wrote:I’m kind of torn over Smart, his best role was coming off the bench to add toughness and grit to either guard spot, but it’s so obvious he is not a full time point guard, just doesn’t have the burst or skills. It’s a shame Schroder will be leaving, he definitely has the attributes for the point and if Jaylen was healthy; the floor would open up for him even more playing off 2 J’s. Gonna be hard to find a point as good as Schroder, they don’t just fall off trees and teams don’t give away those kind of players.

I think you’re right about Marcus but disagree about Dennis. Dennis is not the type of PG this team needs. He’s really not a PG in the sense of distributing and as you said opening up the floor for others. Good player. Wish we could keep him but he’s not the answer at that particular position IMO.

Thanks for the list GYSO! That at least will help us understand when we may see some personnel movement.

I will also add a key component besides low post, defense and shooting. My fourth element is, can a player truly understand his role/needs and ACCEPT IT!

I think we trade for players without truly knowing if the player will accept the role we are asking him to play on the team.

I will add another 2 cents > was Brad a good coach in making rookies like Tatum and Brown ready to play NBA Basketball and not a continuation of College Ball? I am starting to wonder based on Brown and Tatum not quickly adapting to our new coaches style of basketball which is Pop's style and why he was so successful - Defense, ball pressure, run run run, look for the pass and share the ball!

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Ktron wrote:

cowens/oldschool wrote:I’m kind of torn over Smart, his best role was coming off the bench to add toughness and grit to either guard spot, but it’s so obvious he is not a full time point guard, just doesn’t have the burst or skills. It’s a shame Schroder will be leaving, he definitely has the attributes for the point and if Jaylen was healthy; the floor would open up for him even more playing off 2 J’s. Gonna be hard to find a point as good as Schroder, they don’t just fall off trees and teams don’t give away those kind of players.

I think you’re right about Marcus but disagree about Dennis. Dennis is not the type of PG this team needs. He’s really not a PG in the sense of distributing and as you said opening up the floor for others. Good player. Wish we could keep him but he’s not the answer at that particular position IMO.

He might not be ideal, but still good enough. Rondo was a flawed player, but he brought enough, with his warts and a HoF supporting cast, just as Perk was a flawed player. I see Schroder being head and shoulders above Smart, with enough of the right attributes and burst; the other flaws can be managed hopefully, as Chris Paul and Stephon Curry are not walking thru that door….

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/team-by-team-look-at-every-nba-player-eligible-to-be-traded-on-dec-15/?utm_medium=news_tab&utm_source=facebook



Team-by-team look at every NBA player eligible to be traded on Dec. 15

Every general manager around the league has this date circled on the calendar
   
   
By Michael Kaskey-Blomain
1 hr ago
2 min read


If you've heard Dec. 15 mentioned as an important date when it comes to NBA trade talks, there's a good reason why. That's the date that players who signed new contracts over the offseason can be traded. Up until that date, those players aren't permitted to be included in any trades.

Considered as the unofficial start of trade season -- which runs through the trade deadline on Feb. 10 -- this is a date that all of the league's general managers have circled on their calendars. There's a reason that there haven't really been any trades yet this season. Front offices were waiting for this date in order for the pool of movable parts to be expanded.

Trade season this year has the potential to be especially intriguing, as there are several major moves that could be made. The Philadelphia 76ers are still searching for the perfect deal for Ben Simmons, who hasn't played for the team this season. Similarly, the Brooklyn Nets are open to trading Kyrie Irving, given the fact that he also doesn't appear to be any closer to playing for the team than he was at the start of the season. Also, the New York Knicks are looking to move Kemba Walker after the veteran guard lost his spot in the team's rotation. Plus, other teams like the Indiana Pacers, Portland Trail Blazers and Sacramento Kings could be looking to shake things up in a major way.


Ahead of Dec. 15, here's a team-by-team look at all of the players from across the league's landscape that will become eligible to be traded on that day.

*These players would have the opportunity to veto a trade.


Atlanta Hawks

Gorgui Dieng
Solomon Hill *
Lou Williams *


Boston Celtics

Enes Freedom
Dennis Schröder


Brooklyn Nets

LaMarcus Aldridge *
DeAndre' Bembry
Blake Griffin *
James Johnson
Patty Mills
Paul Millsap


Charlotte Hornets

Ish Smith
Kelly Oubre


Chicago Bulls

Lonzo Ball
Tony Bradley
Alex Caruso
DeMar DeRozan
Javonte Green
Alize Johnson


Cleveland Cavaliers

Lauri Markkanen
Kevin Pangos


Dallas Mavericks

Reggie Bullock
Sterling Brown
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Boban Marjanovic
Frank Ntilikina


Denver Nuggets

Will Barton
JaMychal Green *
Jeff Green
Austin Rivers *


Detroit Pistons

Frank Jackson *
Cory Joseph *
Saben Lee
Trey Lyles
Rodney McGruder *
Kelly Olynyk


Golden State Warriors

Nemanja Bjelica
Andre Iguodala
Otto Porter


Houston Rockets

Daniel Theis


Indiana Pacers

Torrey Craig


Los Angeles Clippers

Nicolas Batum *
Kawhi Leonard
Justise Winslow


Los Angeles Lakers

Carmelo Anthony
Trevor Ariza
Kent Bazemore
Wayne Ellington
Dwight Howard
DeAndre Jordan
Malik Monk
Kendrick Nunn
Rajon Rondo


Memphis Grizzlies

None


Miami Heat

Dewayne Dedmon *
Udonis Haslem *
Kyle Lowry
Markieff Morris
Victor Oladipo *
Max Strus
P.J. Tucker
Gabe Vincent
Omer Yurtseven


Milwaukee Bucks

Thanasis Antetokounmpo *
George Hill
Rodney Hood
Semi Ojeleye
Bobby Portis *


Minnesota Timberwolves

None


New Orleans Pelicans

Devonte' Graham
Willy Hernangomez
Didi Louzada
Garrett Temple


New York Knicks

Alec Burks
Evan Fournier
Taj Gibson
Nerlens Noel
Kemba Walker


Oklahoma City Thunder

Mike Muscala *


Orlando Magic

Robin Lopez
E'Twaun Moore
Moritz Wagner


Philadelphia 76ers

Andre Drummond
Danny Green
Georges Niang


Phoenix Suns

Frank Kaminsky *
JaVale McGee
Abdel Nader *
Chris Paul
Elfrid Payton


Portland Trail Blazers

Ben McLemore
Tony Snell
Cody Zeller


Sacramento Kings

Maurice Harkless
Alex Len


San Antonio Spurs

Keita Bates-Diop
Zach Collins
Bryn Forbes
Jock Landale
Doug McDermott


Toronto Raptors

Khem Birch
Isaac Bonga
Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk


Utah Jazz


Mike Conley
Rudy Gay
Hassan Whiteside


Washington Wizards

Spencer Dinwiddie
Raul Neto *


Bob
MY NOTE:  This is list is only a tease without salary $.  Here's the link to an NBA Trade Machine.  You can "what if" your scenarios there.  THE PROBLEM is that no trade machine will allow you to override the trade limitation ahead of schedule.  In other words, you cannot see if a trade involving Schroder will work until 12/15 because the software won't ignore the 12/15 date.

https://fanspo.com/nba/trade-machine

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Bob,

December 15th is just the earliest date a player that was signed last summer as a free agent can be traded. Other players trickle in later than that, due to other criteria (3 months after signing). Of course, the author makes no mention of that. That is why I made my list (above).

The list in your post has two Celtics players on it, my list adds an additional three. Carry that across the entire league and the results could be double (or more) than is what is shown here. While this is a good starting point, it is incomplete

Here is the rule:

96. When can a team trade a free agent it signs? Do they have to keep him forever?

Generally a team only has to keep a player for three months after signing a contract or December 15 of that season, whichever is later

Someone who has lots of time could use the spotrac site and look, team by team, for other players that may become available later than Dec. 15th, but before Feb.10.

cowens/oldschool wrote:

Ktron wrote:

cowens/oldschool wrote:I’m kind of torn over Smart, his best role was coming off the bench to add toughness and grit to either guard spot, but it’s so obvious he is not a full time point guard, just doesn’t have the burst or skills. It’s a shame Schroder will be leaving, he definitely has the attributes for the point and if Jaylen was healthy; the floor would open up for him even more playing off 2 J’s. Gonna be hard to find a point as good as Schroder, they don’t just fall off trees and teams don’t give away those kind of players.

I think you’re right about Marcus but disagree about Dennis. Dennis is not the type of PG this team needs. He’s really not a PG in the sense of distributing and as you said opening up the floor for others. Good player. Wish we could keep him but he’s not the answer at that particular position IMO.

He might not be ideal, but still good enough. Rondo was a flawed player, but he brought enough, with his warts and a HoF supporting cast, just as Perk was a flawed player. I see Schroder being head and shoulders above Smart, with enough of the right attributes and burst; the other flaws can be managed hopefully, as Chris Paul and Stephon Curry are not walking thru that door….

Dennis is still good enough for what? Depends on ones expectations of this team. As you stated, those flawed players, RR and Perk were surrounded by HOF players. Who’s currently surrounding Dennis?   As i said, I like Dennis. He is a better offensive player than Smart but I don’t believe he’s the answer and as we all know is probably ghost come June.
No, CP3 or Curry are not walking through that door but it doesn’t mean that there isn’t someone out there that can fit the bill. They may be on another team, in college, G league, ignite, or in HS. Who knows? That’s what a good FO and scouting teams job is- to find out who and where and go git em.  Let’s face it, The C’s aren’t going anywhere but down until they find the right players to compliment each other. We don’t have it at point guard or center. We got 2 all star wings who we are not winning with and may be gone by the time this inept front office (Wyc and all) is shaken up or gone as well.

Adam Himmelsbach @AdamHimmelsbach
about 10 hours ago
“We’ll look at everything based on these 25 games and see where changes need to be made, whether it’s lineup, rotation, minutes, everything.” After another lopsided loss, Ime Udoka hinted that things might be shaken up soon.


Bob
MY NOTE:  Change is a-comin'.  The question is whether Brad and Wyc will wait to give Ime's changes a chance before pulling the trigger.  In my never-humble-opinion I think that will boil down to how good the offers on the table right now are.  If a trading partner is highly motivated and is willing to make it worth Brad's while, then he'll move.  If not, and I don't think the deals will be that great because Brad's peers think he's in 'sell mode' and will underbid to try and get a steal, then he'll give Ime until the trade deadline, which is February 10, 2022.  That's 61 days from today.  If nothing happens by this coming Wednesday December 15th, or within 72 hours or so of then, then Ime will have 2 months to figure it out.  If he hasn't figured it out by then the axe will come down on some necks.


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I expect to see plenty of change this year before the trading deadline. The Celtics have acquired some nice addible contracts, some of them expiring, so it is just that we have to wait for them to become available. Patience is required, 4 or 5 weeks until they all ripen, including those from other teams, as I explained earlier.

We also have a barn full of TPEs, so any team that wants to easily shed some salary can trade with Brad.

Danny rarely traded at the deadline, much to Brad's chagrin. I don't expect Brad to hold onto his cards like Danny did. My guess is that Brad has all his guys poking into the crevasses to see what is hiding.