Where We're At

dboss wrote:

prakash wrote:Sorry dboss, we are on different planets.

Josh was washed up.  Dumped by Philly and by the Mavs.  He got better here because of what was surrounding him.  His defensive rating is more a factor of playing against bench players.  White's defensive rating is as a starter.  Plus, I did not like his ponderous style.  Did you notice how much time he needed to get his shot off?  When he drove to the basket, how many good passes did you see?

As for the picks, we want them but we can't really invest in developing them.  We have developed Tatum, Brown, RWill and Smart.  Perhaps Langford will become a good player but since the beginning of the season I have been saying that the Celts have to decide: win or develop players.  Players develop faster on bad teams.  Invest in developing players and the Js may get turned off.

Would you have traded Josh, Langford, 2022 1st and a 2028 pick swap for Marcus Smart?  I guess that is the litmus test.

As for Horford, are you really complaining about trading away Kemba?  And for Theis, what did we have to have a chance of preventing Embiid just eating us up for breakfast.

As for Nesmith, would you have preferred that the Celts kept Langford and traded Nesmith?  You are professing the value of 1st round picks.  There are two on the roster right now.  Should we invest in them?

We would have done well to get another star/super star although how?  Otherwise, Brad seems to have made some nice moves.  I am hoping that they work out.

I'm on earth. What planet are you on.

I am going to respond in detail to your response after I get back from the pizza shop.

dboss wrote:Prakash

Lets set the record straight a bit.  Yours in blue and my response in Black Bold

Josh was washed up.  Dumped by Philly and by the Mavs.  He got better here because of what was surrounding him.  His defensive rating is more a factor of playing against bench players.  White's defensive rating is as a starter.  Plus, I did not like his ponderous style.  Did you notice how much time he needed to get his shot off?  When he drove to the basket, how many good passes did you see?

Josh was not and is not washed up.  He did not get dumped by Philly.  As a matter of fact he gave them a heads  up that he was not going to resign with them.  See link to article https://nba.nbcsports.com/2020/12/31/agent-josh-richardson-encouraged-76ers-to-trade-him/

The Mavs did not Dump him either.  He exercised his player option so that he could sign with Boston and Brad added a 2nd year.  His defensive rating has absolutely nothing to do with him playing against bench players.  He started 2 years in Miami and then he was a starter in Philly and a starter in Dallas.  I previously pointed this out several times in other threads.  Although defensive ratings capture an individual's defense, if a team is a poor defensive team it is likely to impact an individuals rating.  Further his last year in Miami as a starter he had  105 rating and then in Philly it was 106 and then in Dallas it jumped to 113.  With Boston it was back to 106.  Dallas by the way was 21st in defensive rating the year that he played there.  White is no better a defender than Josh.  Josh is not a PG so his ply making skills are limited.  Up until this year White never average more than 3.9 assists in any of his previous season.  Let's not try to make him into what he is not.

As for the picks, we want them but we can't really invest in developing them.  We have developed Tatum, Brown, RWill and Smart.  Perhaps Langford will become a good player but since the beginning of the season I have been saying that the Celts have to decide: win or develop players.  Players develop faster on bad teams.  Invest in developing players and the Js may get turned off.

I am all for trading draft picks to help acquire players  but I would never use a first on a player on White's level.  I would not have use the same package that we gave up to get Marcus Smart.

As for Horford, are you really complaining about trading away Kemba?  And for Theis, what did we have to have a chance of preventing Embiid just eating us up for breakfast.

Way before most everyone on this board realized that Kemba needed to be traded I was all over what a poor decision Danny made when he signed him.  As a matter of fact when the need to move Kemba consensus kicked in I stated that we would probably have to give up a first just to get rid of him.

As for Nesmith, would you have preferred that the Celts kept Langford and traded Nesmith?  You are professing the value of 1st round picks.  There are two on the roster right now.  Should we invest in them?

I wish Danny never drafted so many players because there was no way for them to be developed.  I figured that either Lanford or Nesmith had to go.

dboss wrote:Prakash

Lets set the record straight a bit.  Yours in blue and my response in Black Bold

Josh was washed up.  Dumped by Philly and by the Mavs.  He got better here because of what was surrounding him.  His defensive rating is more a factor of playing against bench players.  White's defensive rating is as a starter.  Plus, I did not like his ponderous style.  Did you notice how much time he needed to get his shot off?  When he drove to the basket, how many good passes did you see?

Josh was not and is not washed up.  He did not get dumped by Philly.  As a matter of fact he gave them a heads  up that he was not going to resign with them.  See link to article https://nba.nbcsports.com/2020/12/31/agent-josh-richardson-encouraged-76ers-to-trade-him/

The Mavs did not Dump him either.  He exercised his player option so that he could sign with Boston and Brad added a 2nd year.  His defensive rating has absolutely nothing to do with him playing against bench players.  He started 2 years in Miami and then he was a starter in Philly and a starter in Dallas.  I previously pointed this out several times in other threads.  Although defensive ratings capture an individual's defense, if a team is a poor defensive team it is likely to impact an individuals rating.  Further his last year in Miami as a starter he had  105 rating and then in Philly it was 106 and then in Dallas it jumped to 113.  With Boston it was back to 106.  Dallas by the way was 21st in defensive rating the year that he played there.  White is no better a defender than Josh.  Josh is not a PG so his ply making skills are limited.  Up until this year White never average more than 3.9 assists in any of his previous season.  Let's not try to make him into what he is not.

As for the picks, we want them but we can't really invest in developing them.  We have developed Tatum, Brown, RWill and Smart.  Perhaps Langford will become a good player but since the beginning of the season I have been saying that the Celts have to decide: win or develop players.  Players develop faster on bad teams.  Invest in developing players and the Js may get turned off.

I am all for trading draft picks to help acquire players  but I would never use a first on a player on White's level.  I would not have use the same package that we gave up to get Marcus Smart.

As for Horford, are you really complaining about trading away Kemba?  And for Theis, what did we have to have a chance of preventing Embiid just eating us up for breakfast.

Way before most everyone on this board realized that Kemba needed to be traded I was all over what a poor decision Danny made when he signed him.  As a matter of fact when the need to move Kemba consensus kicked in I stated that we would probably have to give up a first just to get rid of him.

As for Nesmith, would you have preferred that the Celts kept Langford and traded Nesmith?  You are professing the value of 1st round picks.  There are two on the roster right now.  Should we invest in them?

I wish Danny never drafted so many players because there was no way for them to be developed.  I figured that either Lanford or Nesmith had to go.

gyso wrote:Here's another sample of our attitudes about the trade deadline action last season.

Anyone want a mulligan?