Paul Peirce on taking HIS talents down south..

"It's been a pleasure to bring my talents to south beach"


in the words of Ricky Bobby, "That Just Happened"

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Come on Paul, grow up. Just what you need to do, rub salt in the face of the enemy. This stuff is getting out of hand. I am tired of this immature behavior
of all pros who use Twitter as their way of slapping opposing players in the face. I am disappointed in his behavior, certainly not Celtic worthy

Rosalie, I think the problem is that advanced technological communications just give players more vehicles with which to practice the trash talking that so deeply permeates basketball.

It is incomprehensible what physical damage Red Auerbach would have visited on any player that gave an opponent bulletin board material. I realize a lot of people would respond that Red's gone, this is a new era, and his way of doing things is passé. And my response to them is that they're absolutely right and I'll be perfectly willing to follow whatever dictum they preach immediately after they point me to any other person who was both the architect and coach of eight straight championship teams.

It would be interesting to debate which current coach, despite the difference in eras, comes closest to following Auerbachian doctrine in his coaching approach. My vote would be for our own Doc Rivers.

Sam

I have NO problem with it. Lebron James is a spoiled brat, ego maniac that is too selfish to ever be a winner. He throws his body around, ripping off elbows and crashing into people all night - and the dumb shit officials in the NBA let him get away with it.

After being bounced around all night and listening to the King CRY all night long - I am happy to see Pierce stick it to him.

If talking a little trash is what motivates you to have the best record in the east - I say go for it. Doc may say something else in public - but in private, I know he understand competition and if these kinds of things light a fire under his players - SO BE IT.

Rosalie,
I have to disagree with you.
I think PP did great. He didn't trash-talk Lebron, he didn't insult him, he didn't even mentioned his name. PP just publicly ridiculed him. I'd say - bravo, Paul.
Also, I suspect, it's part of the psy war on Heat as a very possible opponent in the playoffs. And as you know - À la guerre comme à la guerre.

AK

If bron needs that to motivate him?


he's got a whole lot more things to worry about than a few twiter words.
He's sailing on the Titanic and there is only one spot left in one boat. Wonder who's ars will be in that seat?

beat

Sam wrote:Rosalie, I think the problem is that advanced technological communications just give players more vehicles with which to practice the trash talking that so deeply permeates basketball.

It is incomprehensible what physical damage Red Auerbach would have visited on any player that gave an opponent bulletin board material. I realize a lot of people would respond that Red's gone, this is a new era, and his way of doing things is passé. And my response to them is that they're absolutely right and I'll be perfectly willing to follow whatever dictum they preach immediately after they point me to any other person who was both the architect and coach of eight straight championship teams.

It would be interesting to debate which current coach, despite the difference in eras, comes closest to following Auerbachian doctrine in his coaching approach. My vote would be for our own Doc Rivers.

Sam

sam,

Providing bulletin board material is significant only if it results in a significant increase in the opponent's intensity and production. If it doesn't, then at worst it's just talk and and at best maybe even helps to get into his head. I don't think LBJ has the mental toughness to want to make Pierce pay. He blames his coach for playing him 44 minutes in a BIG playoff-preview grudge game. HUH? Can you see anybody on the Celtics saying that? Kobe? Durant? He's just not mentally tough enough. Win or lose, they all want to be on the court at crunch time, they need to be on the court at crunch time because that's how leaders are. That's why he cut-and-ran on Cleveland. He couldn't handle the pressure of being the linchpin. He has so many yes-men kissing his ass he has lost all sense of perspective. Pierce could have tattooed those words on the inside of LBJ's eyelids and it wouldn't make a difference since LBJ lacks the ganas to do something about it.

If Russ had done that to Wilt, Wilt would have physically punished Russ every single second in the next game and make it very clear why he was doing it. If DJ or Bird did that to Magic, Magic would have elevated his game even more and they would have reciprocated in kind if the shoe was on the other foot. It'd be personal, very personal. I don't see that in LBJ. I don't see that competitive "who are you looking at, sucker?" fury in him. He expects the coaches to protect him and the league to award him freethrows on every dirty look cast his way. He's a man-child.

bob

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Bob,

Right you are. And another, sometimes overlooked, factor in bulletin board material is the potential impact it might have on the perpetrator's own team. The Heat desperately needs to gain cohesiveness now by capitalizing on every possible motivation to come together. Every little tidbit that could potentially contribute to self-doubt simply subverts that initiative.

Sam

Personally I really do not like trash talking through social networking facilities.

I feel that you should never say anything bad about your opponents when those comments are published for everyone to see. It can come back and haunt you.

His comments seem to reflect a disdain for the Heat that is probably fueled by Shaq who never bites his tongue.

I think that Doc Rivers needs to again tell his players that this type of activity is counter-productive. I think fines should be levied against any Celtics player that does this. The game needs to stay on the court and not off of the court.

I want to see this team win with honor and resepct for the game and the legacy of the Boston Celtics.

dboss

I come from an era where the "greats" let their playing do their talking. That is not to say that every now and then a word or two was spoken to anger the opposition and maybe have an advese effect on the results of a
game. However, in this era of basketball, it seems that everyone wants to get "one up" on the opposing players by getting under their skin. Unfortunately there are way too many talented players today and this action only pushes that player to "get back" at the player doing the taunting.

I agree that Doc needs to tell his players to "shut up" and play ball. They are much too talented to worry about the next guy, Paul especially. I hate
the image that they are beginning to put forth around the country, the Boston Celtics were always a well respected team all over. This behavior only tarnishes what others before them have built.

One of the problems with memory is that it can't always be trusted to regurgitate accurate recollection at any given point in time. Players have always trash talked, it wasn't that long ago that you could stand over your fallen opponent and taunt and not draw a T. For me KG's trash talking seems to often go over the top. He certainly doesn't mind clarifying matters when asked, either. LOL Paul's comment was clever and was not a direct insult. I say it was perfect. What was it that Red said about the pretender? Perfect Each to their own but this is one area where style does matter over substance. IMO, of course. LOL

Again for the few words "twited" I have no problem.

And is again Bron needs this to modivate him............he's got much bigger issues.

beat

People are seriously going to sit here and try and tell us that The Celtics and Lakers teams in the 80s "let their play do the talking"? Really?

Rambis, McHale, Worthy, Cooper, Bird, Ainge, Kareem, Bill Walton - those guys were CONSTANTLY at each others throats (on and off the court).

I dont necessarily like players tweeting about things either - but to suggest trash talk has not ALWAYS been a part of the NBA and professional sports in general, is to have a very selective recall of the past.

WHO IS TALKING ABOUT THE '80"S????

RosalieTCeltics wrote:WHO IS TALKING ABOUT THE '80"S????

There were more rough players in the NBA in the 1960s than you could shake a stick at. Hell, many teams used to have "enforcers" like they do in the NHL. Remember Clyde Lovellette and Jungle Jim?

As for trash talking...yeah, Wilt was a humble, sweet guy on the court.

Mrkleen, for the most part, tough guys of the 60s let their toughness speak for them. To equate roughness with trash-talking really doesn't describe the 60s.

I assume you're being sarcastic in mentioning Wilt's humility on the court. While "humble" certainly wouldn't describe him, he was widely criticized for easing up physically on his opponents, and it has been hypothesized that he did so for fear of hurting them. Supposedly that's one reason why his trademark shot was a fallaway jumper rather than a driving slam. He wasn't that much of a trash talker either, although his private ego got in the way of his effectiveness.

In fact, the amount of trash talking done in the 60s was not sufficient for a term to be coined to describe it. And you actually mentioned a key deterrent; the enforcers of the day would simply level anyone who might have deigned to run his mouth.

The only practices I witnessed personally in those days were Celtics ones—scores of them. But, even during Celtics practice scrimmages, there was virtually no trash talking. There was talking on defense. And, in pickup games after practice, you'd hear whoops and good-natured banter—but not trash talking as it seems to be practiced now.

Believe me, Rosalie knows what she's talking about when she discusses the 60s.

Sam

Anyone remember a comment made following the 69 playoffs and some concern about what the Lakers where going to do about a lot of unneeded ballons?

I think Pauls comments are right along those lines.

There was a time, back in 06 when King Nothing was simply Crown Prince Nothing and HE made the comment that he thought of Paul as the best small forward in the league..

However Paul has continuely been denied the same sort of spotlight King Nothing has enjoyed, and Pauls accomplishments have continuously been overlooked by anything king Nothing has done. Anyone recall the 08 cavs Celtics final game? Many in the media picked the Cavs over the Celtics in that series, and the media went goo goo over each accomplishment Nothing had while largly overlooking Paul.

The final game of that series Paul played one of the best playoff games in Celtics history, dominating the first three quarters and only in the final couple minutes did lebron catch up to pauls numbers..

here is the stats for both players

Paul 43:42, 41 pts, 4 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals
King Nothing 46:48, 45 pts, 5 rebounds, 6 assits 2 steals

again it was only in the last minutes of the game that Paul was finely outscored by Nothing- even with Nothing playing an extra 3+ minutes. the next day i recall seeeing articules talking about the game and how Paul was able to go toe to toe with lebron and was able to "keep up with Lebron james"

Paul has stuck with the Celtics through good and bad, and has countless times come through for the Celtics with heroics worthy of earning his place in the HOF and more importantly, in the Rafters. Paul can never be accused of giving up on his team- and has led his team to the promised land- delivering a Title to Boston.

King Nothing, the love child of the NBA and the media though has given up on his team.. he did it VS Orlando and again this past summer VS Paul and the Celtics. James the leagues current MVP blames everyone and everything but himself for losses.

Paul withstood the hard times and has delivered. James folded when he couldnt get it done with a very, very good team then bolted taking his skills down south beleiving that things would be diffrent there..

On the one hand, yeah Paul was taking a stab at Lebron, but i think too, it was in a way saying to Everyone, hey look, theres more going on in this league than Miami.. theres more than Lebron James.

Remember Sagars question to Rondo after the season opener, after Boston beat the Heat "do you think Miami is the team to beat this season?"

put yourself in Pauls position, he had to hear those words, he's aware of the media's attention on Miami, and as a Player, someone with pride in their own accomplishments, his own team. As a Player, as a Former NBA champion, the current Eastern Conference Champion that has to get on your nerves somewhat.

I think Pauls comments run deeper than just rubbing a win in Lebron James face.

As one member of the Heat said after Pauls comments put it, "Paul who?Nobody is thinking about those guys"

Excactly.. and Pauls comments ought to have reminded people they should be..

Sam wrote:Mrkleen, for the most part, tough guys of the 60s let their toughness speak for them. To equate roughness with trash-talking really doesn't describe the 60s.

I assume you're being sarcastic in mentioning Wilt's humility on the court. While "humble" certainly wouldn't describe him, he was widely criticized for easing up physically on his opponents, and it has been hypothesized that he did so for fear of hurting them. Supposedly that's one reason why his trademark shot was a fallaway jumper rather than a driving slam. He wasn't that much of a trash talker either, although his private ego got in the way of his effectiveness.

In fact, the amount of trash talking done in the 60s was not sufficient for a term to be coined to describe it. And you actually mentioned a key deterrent; the enforcers of the day would simply level anyone who might have deigned to run his mouth.

The only practices I witnessed personally in those days were Celtics ones—scores of them. But, even during Celtics practice scrimmages, there was virtually no trash talking. There was talking on defense. And, in pickup games after practice, you'd hear whoops and good-natured banter—but not trash talking as it seems to be practiced now.

Believe me, Rosalie knows what she's talking about when she discusses the 60s.

Sam

My point Sam was which do you think is worse.....Paul Pierce tweeting a joke about Lebron - or Clyde Lovellette elbowing Wilt's teeth through his lip?

Sam
I don't remember seeing trash talking going on in the 70's,it kind of started in the 80's,what is your recollection of when trash talking started? cow

Mrkleen,

Well, here's what I think, since the subject is trash talking:

1. Clyde elbowing Wilt is an apple.

2. Paul tweeting a joke about Lebron is an orange.

3. One doesn't have to say a word to throw an elbow. What's that got to do with trash talking?

But you did succeed in making me hungry.

Sam

Cow,

I'm not an authority on the matter, but what I said about the 60s also includes seasons through the mid-70s. So my guess would be that trash gathered momentum during the late 70s or 80s. And, since he barely spoke at all when he first came to town, I find it ironic that our own Larry found a way to become an important element in the movement.

I don't know for certain whether it's true that, if anyone tried to talk trash with Havlicek, he'd just run circles around the guy until the guy turned into buttah.

Sam

Well, these days you can level anyone, you can't object to fouls called on you and pretty soon they'll start teeing up trash talking.

I personally found Paul's comment hilarious on many levels. The fact that he tweeted it makes it even funnier because it leaves it open to interpretation as we have witnessed many times on this board and bdc. It's a jab, a joke. As a comedian, you want people to laugh anyway you can. Yes, it may tick a few people off, but the line was truly comedic, an off the top of his head one-liner brilliantly delivered at the right time and right place. Paul came to South Beach, we kicked their ass, LeBron was there, post decision, Paul is talented. True comic genious people.

If the current Techs hold up and you can't object to the refs calls, trash talking is next on the chopping block. I understand the emotion of the game. I just can't decide whether this new ruling is helping or hurting the game or the league, though.

Sam

Thats what I thought too,the oringinal gangsta of trashtalking was indeed Bird,it started vs Philly and Dr J,they brawled later......he went at it with Phil Hubbard,Xavier McDaniel,Chuck Person,Laimbeer and Isiah,he said in the first victory celebration in 81 that Moses does eat $hit.Well it looks like its spread.

cow

Cow,

I remember watching that celebration ceremony live on tv. I had seen the sign when the camera panned over the crowd. When Larry repeated the message about Moses, I actually fell on the floor laughing. I couldn't stop laughing. Besides the sheer audacity of Bird's remark, I was thinking of the local tv people wishing they had put the thing on delay.

Sam

Sam wrote:Mrkleen,

Well, here's what I think, since the subject is trash talking:

1. Clyde elbowing Wilt is an apple.

2. Paul tweeting a joke about Lebron is an orange.

3. One doesn't have to say a word to throw an elbow. What's that got to do with trash talking?

But you did succeed in making me hungry.

Sam

Here I was thinking the subject was how much more respectful of the game those in the past were. Guess I miss read that.

I just got a bag of apples, and for some reason I want one now as well