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Post by dboss Mon Mar 06, 2023 6:00 pm

No single loss should generate much of anything.

There are patterns that we are seeing and I think that is what fuels the  consternation.

To ignore what seems obvious to many Celtic fans and the media is akeen to burying your head in the sand.  

As long as opinions are supported by statistical facts (i.e. the Celtics defense is not as goods as it was last year as evidenced by ...) there should be no problem, if the facts are provable.

Most passionate Celtics fans will seek to identify the reasons for certain outcomes.
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Post by RosalieTCeltics Mon Mar 06, 2023 6:35 pm

Joe has had a target on his back right from the beginning of the season. This could not have been an easy transition for him. The players made no doubt that they loved Ime, in fact, some are still in touch with him. Look at all the mistakes Ime made at the beginning of the season. This is tough taking over and coaching some pretty strong minded young men. It appears they like their coach, I do not feel there is an issue there. I also do not believe that Brad is not available constantly for Joe to pick his brain. So, what the heck do we know about what goes on behind closed doors.

As I said, I am here night in and night out, try hard to respect these players. Disappointed, yes, I am a bit, but do I think it is insurmountable. NO. A couple of good games and we will be back on track. I get where you are coming from though definitely
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Post by worcester Mon Mar 06, 2023 6:36 pm

The Celts are 10-8 since January 28 - niot a championship caliber record. Brad is certainly not a failure. He has done much to improve this team. However, he still needs to get a backup center, and Ime's antics hurt the team. Ime is a better coach than Joe, and the record affirms that. No shade on Joe, but it's true. I am not blaming Brad for replacing Ime with Joe. It had to be done although I think the penalty was extreme and has hurt the Celts. Now let's see if the Celts can resurrect and make a championship run.
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Post by RosalieTCeltics Mon Mar 06, 2023 6:49 pm

I will disagree with you there Worcester. If it was so harsh, why has no one hired him? There is more than we will ever know, we cannot compare coaches it is not fair to Joe or the players
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Post by worcester Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:08 pm

Rosalie, I can't answer your question why no one else has hired him.. You are right that there is more than we'll ever know. However, I do think you can compare coaches. Experience matters, and I expect Joe to be a better coach next year. I just wish he'd prod the team now to be more intense defensively and to take more time outs occasionally.
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Post by cowens/oldschool Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:17 pm

I’m as disappointed as anyone and hate that Jaylen had to play so many minutes in a valiant OT loss. I would have rested him, anyway as much as I have been disappointed by recent play, I think I was still respectful in my analysis of the team, players and moves and all I did was express them truthfully from my eye test. I point out how great we look when we are rolling and call out bad plays or strategy too. I don’t think anyone was being disrespectful either, in general there were alot of agreements of what we have all seen lately. One last comment, can’t believe how many lay ups and floaters we missed, an unusual amount that are usually good looks, but onward and upward.

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Post by jrleftfoot Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:49 pm

worcester wrote:The Celts are 10-8 since January 28 - niot a championship caliber record. Brad is certainly not a failure. He has done much to improve this team. However, he still needs to get a backup center, and Ime's antics hurt the team. Ime is a better coach than Joe, and the record affirms that. No shade on Joe, but it's true. I am not blaming Brad for replacing Ime with Joe. It had to be done although I think the penalty was extreme and has hurt the Celts. Now let's see if the Celts can resurrect and make a championship run.
                                 I respect your opinion, worcester, but I have a couple caveats.Until we know what Ime did, it's impossible to know whether the penalty was "extreme" and I'm confused about how this year's record, which is better than last years, affirms that Ime was a better coach than Joe. He may well have been, but the record doesn't say so.


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Post by jrleftfoot Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:49 pm

worcester wrote:The Celts are 10-8 since January 28 - niot a championship caliber record. Brad is certainly not a failure. He has done much to improve this team. However, he still needs to get a backup center, and Ime's antics hurt the team. Ime is a better coach than Joe, and the record affirms that. No shade on Joe, but it's true. I am not blaming Brad for replacing Ime with Joe. It had to be done although I think the penalty was extreme and has hurt the Celts. Now let's see if the Celts can resurrect and make a championship run.
                                 I respect your opinion, worcester, but I have a couple caveats.Until we know what Ime did, it's impossible to know whether the penalty was "extreme" and I'm confused about how this year's record, which is better than last years, affirms that Ime was a better coach than Joe. He may well have been, but the record doesn't say so.
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Post by Ktron Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:19 pm

I don’t think you can simply look at W-L records and decide who’s the better coach.
Ime inherited a team that had tuned out their former coach in Brad and appeared to not have direction. It took a minute but not just any coach could have turned that situation around in a half season and get to the finals. Ime did just that.

Joe inherited Ime’s team, a team that went to the finals the year before and were on point as to what needs to be done to get there this time and win it.

Based on this comparison as well as watching and observing Coach Joe there is no doubt in my mind that Ime Is a far better coach than Joe and at least a dozen more coaches currently coaching in the NBA.

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Post by worcester Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:25 am

Jr, I respect your opinion as well, and I do not know exactly what happened, so the penalty may not have been extreme. However, if it were just a matter of tawdry verbal exchanges with a woman with whom he had already engaged in an adulterous affair, maybe the response was excessive. But if it were with the VP's wife, well then I understand management's reaction. Still, it has cost us. Joe is a good coach, but Ime had the makings of being a great one. Anyways, if we are all healthy in a month and can stay healthy enough to win sixteen playoff games, then #18 will be ours.
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