Celtics Related Trade Rumors

Gyso,

Nice rewrite of Joni Mitchell.  My favorite is "Free Man in Paris", especially the live version where she's backed up by the musicians who went on to form Weather Report.




Doesn't have a damn thing to do with the Js or basketball, but it's a great song and one of the best back up bands ever.  The Beach Boys singing back up vocals for Chicago doing "Wishing You Were Here" was pretty cool too.  Can we do a rewrite of that for Jokic or some other elite center?



Ok, and now back to your regularly scheduled sports talk.


Bob


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A trade rumor going making the rounds is Jaylen for LeMelo Ball.

According to an NBA Trade Machine this deal, straight up, works from a salary cap perspective so, while you may not like it, it isn't just throwing junk at the wall.


Bob


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so who is going to be the superstar on the team with a trade like that???? Ball has taken over his team completely, think Jayson would like that????? I am thinking of going into a big hole and come out when all of this is over. Driving me nuts. Maine will never look so good as it will next week when I go on a week's vaca

I just hope Celtics brass has told Jaylen he will remain a Celtic and ignore all these BS rumors.

Im beginning to be convinced that these are not rumors at all.
Relax everyone. Ain’t a darn thing we can do about it.
Trust the process….oops never mind

My guess is the LaMelo Ball rumor has no grounds in reality.

If you were to trade Brown, wouldn't you trade him for an established player at a position you're weak at? Then you're improving the balance on the roster.

But to trade Jaylen for someone at a spot you already have strength at? I don't think so.

Common sense says no one is untradeable, sure, but don't you make trades to build a better roster?

JUST TO SET THE RECORD STRAIT ABOUT MY COMMENT ON THE 70% OF CAP SPACE HERE IS AN EXCERP FROM CHRIS FORSBERG PUBLISHED ARTICLE 4 HRS AGO!

Celtics patiently built a title contender; will CBA make them alter course?
The NBA's new CBA throws a wrench in Brad Stevens' master plan.
By Chris Forsberg, Celtics Insider • Published 4 hours ago • Updated 4 hours ago

HERE YOU GO MATES!

For Brown, that’s a $295 million extension with an average annual value of nearly $60 million. Tatum’s extension comes a summer later and is expected to be worth $318 million, or an average annual value of nearly $64 million. Forget the sticker shock of contract values, that’s just where the league is headed. The bigger issue for Boston is just how much of the pie the Jays will eat up with their new deals.

With the Jays combining for up to 70 percent of the salary cap starting in the 2025-26 season, that doesn’t leave a whole lot of pie left to fill out the rest of a 15-man roster. It’s reasonable to ponder how the Celtics can put a championship core around that duo and stay below the second apron.

Everyone have a wonderful and safe summer! God Bless

112288

NYCelt wrote:My guess is the LaMelo Ball rumor has no grounds in reality.

If you were to trade Brown, wouldn't you trade him for an established player at a position you're weak at? Then you're improving the balance on the roster.

But to trade Jaylen for someone at a spot you already have strength at? I don't think so.

Common sense says no one is untradeable, sure, but don't you make trades to build a better roster?

+1

The only way you trade Brown is to get an elite player in a position where you're weak at.


KJ

112288 wrote:JUST TO SET THE RECORD STRAIT ABOUT MY COMMENT ON THE 70% OF CAP SPACE HERE IS AN EXCERP FROM CHRIS FORSBERG PUBLISHED ARTICLE 4 HRS AGO!

Celtics patiently built a title contender; will CBA make them alter course?
The NBA's new CBA throws a wrench in Brad Stevens' master plan.
By Chris Forsberg, Celtics Insider • Published 4 hours ago • Updated 4 hours ago

HERE YOU GO MATES!

For Brown, that’s a $295 million extension with an average annual value of nearly $60 million. Tatum’s extension comes a summer later and is expected to be worth $318 million, or an average annual value of nearly $64 million. Forget the sticker shock of contract values, that’s just where the league is headed. The bigger issue for Boston is just how much of the pie the Jays will eat up with their new deals.

With the Jays combining for up to 70 percent of the salary cap starting in the 2025-26 season, that doesn’t leave a whole lot of pie left to fill out the rest of a 15-man roster. It’s reasonable to ponder how the Celtics can put a championship core around that duo and stay below the second apron.

Everyone have a wonderful and safe summer!  God Bless

112288

No doubt that newest iteration of the CBA is already making teams look at upcoming contracts. The nearest term decision for the Celtics will probably be Grant Williams, who is an unrestricted free agent. It will be hard to keep him at the 20 mil or so he's likely to want if we're planning on keeping both Jays. If they let Grant walk, that may be an indication they could try and work something out. My guess is Brown will need to take something a fair shot below the max, but they can set the line above what other teams might offer. Sign Grant and there may be other moves in the works.

To be sure, it's not just an issue for the Celtics. This will set bodies in motion over the next few seasons. There will be cap adjustments, but it will still be challenging if you're flirting with that second apron.

NYCelt wrote:

112288 wrote:JUST TO SET THE RECORD STRAIT ABOUT MY COMMENT ON THE 70% OF CAP SPACE HERE IS AN EXCERP FROM CHRIS FORSBERG PUBLISHED ARTICLE 4 HRS AGO!

Celtics patiently built a title contender; will CBA make them alter course?
The NBA's new CBA throws a wrench in Brad Stevens' master plan.
By Chris Forsberg, Celtics Insider • Published 4 hours ago • Updated 4 hours ago

HERE YOU GO MATES!

For Brown, that’s a $295 million extension with an average annual value of nearly $60 million. Tatum’s extension comes a summer later and is expected to be worth $318 million, or an average annual value of nearly $64 million. Forget the sticker shock of contract values, that’s just where the league is headed. The bigger issue for Boston is just how much of the pie the Jays will eat up with their new deals.

With the Jays combining for up to 70 percent of the salary cap starting in the 2025-26 season, that doesn’t leave a whole lot of pie left to fill out the rest of a 15-man roster. It’s reasonable to ponder how the Celtics can put a championship core around that duo and stay below the second apron.

Everyone have a wonderful and safe summer!  God Bless

112288

No doubt that newest iteration of the CBA is already making teams look at upcoming contracts. The nearest term decision for the Celtics will probably be Grant Williams, who is an unrestricted free agent. It will be hard to keep him at the 20 mil or so he's likely to want if we're planning on keeping both Jays. If they let Grant walk, that may be an indication they could try and work something out. My guess is Brown will need to take something a fair shot below the max, but they can set the line above what other teams might offer. Sign Grant and there may be other moves in the works.

To be sure, it's not just an issue for the Celtics. This will set bodies in motion over the next few seasons. There will be cap adjustments, but it will still be challenging if you're flirting with that second apron.

The new CBA is going to further squeeze the mid level players. Grant may want $20M/per but people should be lining up to give him that. Perhaps some middling team that wants to win a little more?

The new CBA is looks onerous. Not only will it have implications on roster construction, we will also see much more load management and reliance on end of the roster players during regular season.

worcester wrote:We old timers are still pretty smart.

Summa ya are. I used to be.

Hmm…how do I respond to this??? I believe some here would say tell the old timers to move into the new world. Personally, I would take my world to the new one. What do you think Worcester?

https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2023/06/13/disgruntled-boston-celtics-g-get-role/



Boston Celtics guard can get major role


by Andrew Hughes1 day ago


An anonymous NBA general manager doesn’t know if disgruntled Boston Celtics guard Payton Pritchard can find the major role he’s looking for anywhere across the league’s 30 franchises — and he shared these doubts with Heavy’s Steve Bulpett.

“I like him, I definitely think he can help a team,” the general manager prefaced before saying, “But he needs to be in a perfect situation to get a 25-minute-a-game role,” he said. “I’m not sure where that is.”

The general manager feels Pritchard is dealing with an identity crisis as a young player who wants to prove to his peers that he belongs.

“Even young great players, they don’t know that it takes other stars to play with, and you’ve got to learn to get along,” the GM said. “He’s no different than anybody else. They just want a chance to prove they’re better than an every third game for 10 minutes kind of player. You don’t really feel like you’re part of winning when it’s like that.”

Boston Celtics guard Payton Pritchard has ‘several supporters in Phoenix’s front office’

Pritchard could have one team out there looking to give him a home. As Yahoo’s Jake Fischer reports, Pritchard has “several supporters” in Phoenix’s front office and could be on the Suns’ radar this offseason or next.

“Payton Pritchard, the former first-round pick who fell out of Boston’s rotation, has several supporters in Phoenix’s front office, sources said, and is expected to feature prominently in the NBA’s general trade landscape this summer, when Pritchard becomes extension eligible,” Fischer wrote.

The Suns are looking to move on from a point guard themselves in 38-year-old Chris Paul, who has been deemed a potential backup fit for the Celtics. Even in the twilight of his career, though, Paul could likely find a starting job somewhere across the Association. Should Phoenix desire a trade for CP3 and Boston be on board, Malcolm Brogdon, Danilo Gallinari, and Pritchard make for a salary match in a potential deal. The Celtics may even be able to get draft capital back in such a scenario.


Bob
MY NOTE:  Ok, first of all, if Phoenix waives CP3, then he can be picked up off the waiver wire for his contract.  CP3's contract this year is guaranteed for $15.8M and the full $30.8M becomes guaranteed on 6/28; exactly 2 weeks from today.  Why would a team trade for a $15M contract and waive him before 6/28 unless they're unloading a bigger contract?  I doubt Phoenix has any draft picks that are good enough to sweeten the pot that much.  If he is traded to another team and they don't waive him then they own his $30.8M contract after 6/28.  On the other hand, if Phoenix buys him out then he can be picked up for however much he'll accept.  Therefore, in my amateur GM opinion, the best strategy is to let Phoenix hang until they are forced to buy him out so they don't own all $30M and then sign him free-and-clear.

The trade idea presented in this article is one I've heard elsewhere and I think it's complete garbage.  Trade the NBA 6th man for a 38 year old player?  Forget about Payton and Gallo, I wouldn't trade Brogdon for CP3 straight up!

We need an upgrade to our front court due to the age of Al and questionable availability of RWill.  We need another player to provide depth behind Tatum.  That's pretty much it.  Try to accommodate Payton and figure out what to do with Grant (taking on CP3's contract would certainly put an end to that!  Sign-and-trade for a big?  Package with Payton for a big?), shore up our front court and run it back again next year with everybody (including our more experienced assistant coaching staff and head coach) a little wiser and hungrier.  That's my position.

How about 25 year old Payton Pritchard for 31 year old Terrence Ross (also of Phoenix) plus a pick?  How about almost 30 year old 6'8" TJ Warren (UFA, Phoenix) + pick for Payton in a sign-and-trade?  Warren made $2.6M last year.  Pritchard will be paid $4M this coming year.  Phoenix resigns Warren for $3M and trades him to us.  We save a million $, we get a shooter that is big enough to back up the Js and understands he's not going to be a 25+mpg player.  So I can see opportunities with Phoenix for a deal, just not involving CP3.


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We cannot receive a player in a sign-and-trade.  We are taxpayers over the apron.

We have the smaller MLE and vet-min exceptions, that is all we have for signing free agents.

If a player on another team is a free agent this summer, cross him off your list for trades.  It cannot happen.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q20

Bob,

If Phoenix waives CP3, then he can be picked up off the waiver wire for his contract. True, but that's not all there is to it.

Once he clears waivers, he can be signed by any of the 29 other teams for whatever they can offer. We can offer the little MLE and the vet-min.

gyso wrote:We cannot receive a player in a sign-and-trade.  We are taxpayers over the apron.

We have the smaller MLE and vet-min exceptions, that is all we have for signing free agents.

If a player on another team is a free agent this summer, cross him off your list for trades.  It cannot happen.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q20

Gyso,

Rule 92:  

To qualify for a sign-and-trade, all of the following must be true:

1.  The player cannot be a restricted free agent who has signed an offer sheet with another team (see question number 42).

2.  The team receiving the player cannot be above the "Apron" (see question number 20) at the conclusion of the trade1, 2. A team above the Apron can receive a player in a sign-and-trade if the trade reduces the team's payroll and the team finishes the trade below the Apron.


#1 is relevant to any sign-and-trade with Grant.  IF he's gone Brad needs to work something out with his agent and Grant sooner rather than later because offers expire quickly and they need to be on-board with any trade or Grant will just take the offer.  IF Grant signs the offer sheet Brad can match, but then we can probably forget about any other sign-and-trades unless Grant is then traded for a player(s) whose combined salaries bring us back down below the Apron.

#2  Well, this all depends upon where we are vis-a-vis "the Apron", and there are two of them.  The first one is $169M and the second is $179.5M.  The Celtics are currently @ $163.1M.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/BOS.html


Unless I'm misunderstanding something that means that sign-and-trades are possible IF they are done in the right order.  First trade Payton for any player that keeps us below the $169M first apron, subject to salary matching requirements.  Either one of my suggested trades for TJ Warren or Terrence Ross will accomplish that because both the Suns players have comparable salaries to Payton (the Suns are @ $165.6M, and that includes $30.8M for CP3.  So, they are below the Apron too.   If they waive him before 6/28 then there should only be $15M on the books, which drops them down to $149,8M.  WAY below the apron.  https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/PHO.html ).  Trade Payton, stay under the Apron, then sign Grant (we can go over because he's ours) and either keep him and be effectively done, or trade him.  If we shed more salary in any Grant trade then we'll be under the Apron again and can keep rolling forward with our teeny-weeny mini-exemption (BFD   ).

The good news is that nobody can make an offer to Grant before the free agent moratorium is lifted, but I'm sure that his agent has got his ear to the ground and can provide Brad feedback on what's coming (assuming Brad believes him).  Payton can be traded at any time, Brad doesn't need to wait for any specific date to make that happen.  So git'er done, Brad!


Bob


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I don't think most of us whether from the past or today have the wisdom to deal with the effects advanced technology, especially AI, is having on our world. I am particularly concerned about AI being interfaced with military applications and bringing the tale of the Terminator series true to real life.
That's why I watch basketball. To forget about such concerns.

Bob, I really like trading Payton for TJ, signing Grant, and somehow finding a big. When healthy, TJ was a damn good player. But that was four years ago, and this year his shot and scoring were off. Still, with a good training camp and ONE team to play for, he might blossom. He's always been good at the frito line.

just exactly how many games did Paul miss this regular season, not counting the games he missed in the playoffs. Why oh why would we want a guy who is 38 years old taking the place of the 6th man of the year. Am I missing something? Did Brogden ask to either be started or traded? I don't think so, but who knows. As far as Payton goes, wherever he goes, he will have a fight for the kind of minutes he wants. I think the kid is talented, but it is not like he is irreplaceable. Trade him when it is right for the Celtics, that is the way it goes. I am sure they are trying to find a place for him since he has made it clear he wants out

Bob,

Have the salary cap numbers have been published yet?  Spotrac has 2023-24 numbers, maybe they are the preliminary projections.  

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/cap/

I think you might be forgetting the many cap holds we may have on the team.  Grant has one for $12,918,843.  You cannot say Grant has zero salary, you have to use his cap hold.

Then there's this: (Also part of Rule 92)

If a team acquires a player in a sign-and-trade, then the Apron effectively becomes a hard cap for the remainder of that season. See question number 20 for details.

We most likely will be taxpayers before all is said and done, therefore we can't be capped, therefore we cannot receive a player in a S&T.

And if it isn't restrictive enough now, all the new regs will kick in over the next couple of seasons.

Teams will have to build a roster with one max contract, one vet minimum, and pay everyone else with IOUs.

That may be as slight an exaggeration as it is a poor attempt at humor.

Maybe we can bring Larry out of retirement and give him a piece of the team He would play for the minimum! Right……. I see some teams just going after whoever they want, $$ b damned. This is all a bit too over the top for me. But the union and the league agreed to this new cap didn’t they. Will there be guys deserving a max contract who will go without? I find that hard to believe

NYCelt wrote:And if it isn't restrictive enough now, all the new regs will kick in over the next couple of seasons.

Teams will have to build a roster with one max contract, one vet minimum, and pay everyone else with IOUs.

That may be as slight an exaggeration as it is a poor attempt at humor.

Looks like the proverbial nail in the coffin for super teams.


KJ

I think that is exactly right KJ, league is tired of these overpaid stars jumping from one place to another in search of a title. Build a damn team from draft, few trades. At the rate they were going, I am sure some owners regretted giving superstars the big contract only to set them play a year or two if lucky, then demand a trade or they ruin the team. Too much money too quick for some of these guys

YA BOY PERK IS AT IT AGAIN
(Don’t shoot the messenger)



The Bradley Beal-to-Celtics rumors have returned for yet another NBA offseason.
On Wednesday, The Athletic's Shams Charania reported that the Washington Wizards will work with Beal to find a trade if the franchise decides to undergo a rebuild in the near future. Given Beal's well-documented friendship with C's star and fellow St. Louis native Jayson Tatum, Boston once again came up as a potential destination for the three-time All-Star guard.

Kendrick Perkins added fuel to the fire on ESPN's NBA Today. The former Celtics big man believes now is the time for Boston to get the deal done.
"Look around the league and what's going on? The timing of the Boston Celtics, Jaylen Brown, right? Coming up for a supermax," Perkins said on Wednesday. "We don't know if him and Jayson Tatum could get it done. We don't know what could happen. But we do know this, that Bradley Beal and Jayson Tatum has been the loudest secret ever as far as wanting to play with each other. They have been tied together like cooked spaghetti.
"So when I think about this situation, I think about Bradley Beal being 29 years old. He don't have time for the Wizards to say give me a couple of years. We look at Jayson Tatum, he's gonna say the right things, but do we know long-term he's going to be a Celtic for life? It's coming to a point where his contract is going to come up and he's going to be looking at the Celtics and saying, 'Hey, what else can we do?
"So I think with the relationship, the St. Louis ties they have, both of those guys wanting to be around each other and play with each other, this is the perfect time to make the move. If I'm the Celtics, I'm calling them ASAP and trying to get a deal done. If I'm Bradley Beal and Jayson Tatum, I'm talking behind the scenes. Hell, they've been doing it for the past three years anyway."

Despite the obvious Tatum-Beal connection, Perkins and others riding the Beal-to-Boston hype train should pump the brakes. Our Chris Forsberg laid out a handful of reasons a trade is unlikely. Chief among them, the new NBA collective bargaining agreement will make it virtually impossible to have Tatum, Brown, and Beal on Boston's books as early as next summer. Even if the Celtics do reach out, the Wizards likely would have little interest in anything Boston would offer to get near Beal’s $46.7 million salary.
ESPN's Brian Windhorst also poured cold water on the idea of the Celtics acquiring Beal, stating that the team's "intention is to get Jaylen Brown done on a contract extension this year."
While the C's are expected to stand pat, two of their Eastern Conference rivals are expected to make a push for Beal. Charania believes the Miami Heat and Milwaukee Bucks will "emerge as significant suitors" for him if the Wizards opt to reset their roster.