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Post by RosalieTCeltics Wed Sep 27, 2023 2:37 pm

Lillard goes Milwaukee as part of a 3-team deal with Jrue Holiday, Deandre Ayton, Toumani Camara, a 2029 unprotected MIL 1st, and unprotected MIL swap rights in 2028 and 2030 to Blazers. Phoenix lands Jusuf Nurkic, Grayson Allen, Nassir Little and Keon Johnson.


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Post by RosalieTCeltics Wed Sep 27, 2023 2:39 pm

this makes Milwaukee a powerhouse, UNLESS, Dame gets injured. Giving up Jrue is a tough one for them, they managed to keep Middleton Will make the Greek Freak happy?????? I know Pat Riley isn't!
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Post by NYCelt Wed Sep 27, 2023 2:53 pm

Giannis, Middleton and Dame?

Look out for the Bucks.
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Post by RosalieTCeltics Wed Sep 27, 2023 2:54 pm

Big one, I figured he would end up in Toronto
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Post by gyso Wed Sep 27, 2023 3:46 pm

Damian Lillard reportedly traded to Bucks after 11 seasons with Portland Trail Blazers

https://sports.yahoo.com/damian-lillard-reportedly-traded-to-bucks-after-11-seasons-with-portland-trail-blazers-182340822.html

Lillard is on his way to Milwaukee as part of a three-team deal with the Phoenix Suns.
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Damian Lillard finally got his wish. Mostly. The Milwaukee Bucks are reportedly acquiring the seven-time All-Star guard from the Portland Trail Blazers in a three-team deal with the Phoenix Suns.

As part of the deal, Jrue Holiday, Deandre Ayton and Toumani Camara are going to the Blazers, as well as the Bucks' 2029 unprotected first-round pick and unprotected swap rights in 2028 and 2030. The Suns land Jusuf Nurkić, Grayson Allen, Nassir Little and Keon Johnson.

Lillard requested a trade on the second day of 2023 free agency after years of seemingly going back and forth with Portland on trying to build a championship contender around him. He signed a two-year, max contract extension in the summer of 2022. Lillard is owed $216.2 million over the next four seasons, including $63.2 million in the 2026-27 campaign.

Lillard averaged 32.2 points per game last season, a career high, in a resurgent season after injuries hampered him for stretches of the past two seasons, missing 77 games in that stretch, double the games he missed over the first 10 seasons of his career. The Trail Blazers missed the postseason the past two seasons.

Lillard led the franchise to eight postseason appearances, making it to the Western Conference finals in the 2018-19 season. However, the Blazers mostly suffered first-round exits and could never make it to the pinnacle of the league despite having its best player in franchise history.

Lillard leaves Portland as the Blazers' all-time leading scorer (19,376 points), passing Clyde Drexler in 2022, and the franchise leader in 3-pointers made, free throws made and scoring average.

Why Damian Lillard is leaving the Portland Trail Blazers
Lillard’s loyalty to Portland had long since become one of the NBA’s most frequently repeated talking points. But speculation about whether he’d one day seek greener pastures reached new heights following a disappointing end to the 2020-21 campaign.

The Blazers bowed out to the Nuggets in six games in the first round — their fifth Round 1 exit in eight postseason appearances under head coach Terry Stotts — despite Denver playing without injured star guard Jamal Murray, despite Lillard putting up 55 points on 24 shots in a pivotal Game 5 that Portland lost in double overtime and despite holding a 14-point second-half lead in Game 6. After that dispiriting defeat, Lillard delivered loud and clear on-the-record comments about how he wanted to see increased urgency from then-general manager Neil Olshey and the Blazers’ front office in renewed pursuit of championship contention.

What followed underwhelmed: Olshey fired Stotts, replacing him with first-time head coach Chauncey Billups; brought back swingman Norman Powell on a five-year, $90 million deal; and signed Cody Zeller, Tony Snell and Ben McLemore as rotation ballast. (The Blazers fired Olshey a couple of months later, citing violations of the team’s code of conduct uncovered in an investigation of workplace misconduct within the organization.) Without significant reinforcements, and with Lillard struggling through an abdominal injury that would eventually require surgery, limiting him to a career-low 29 games, Portland plunged to a 27-55 record, setting the stage for what Lillard called a “critical summer” … during which he signed a $122 million extension to his previous supermax deal to stay under contract in Portland for two additional years.

Healthy again, Lillard turned in a career year last season, finishing third in the NBA in scoring at 32.2 points per game and 10th in facilitating at 7.3 assists a night. That wasn’t nearly enough to lift the Blazers out of the doldrums, though, as Portland stumbled to a 33-49 mark and another lottery pick — this time, third overall. Landing the No. 3 selection forced new Blazers GM Joe Cronin into a difficult choice. Would he dangle that enticing trade chip, and potentially talented young players like Anfernee Simons or Shaedon Sharpe, in search of established veterans who could help build a more competitive roster around Lillard? Or was it better to sit tight and take the pick, continuing to build out Portland’s young core — while also knowing that committing to the path of rebuilding might lead Lillard to finally ask out?

The draft came and went. The Blazers kept the pick, drafting G League Ignite star Scoot Henderson — a 19-year-old über-prospect who just happens to play Lillard’s position. Lillard and his agent, Aaron Goodwin, met with Cronin to discuss the future; Lillard reportedly said he’d wait to see what Cronin and Co. did at the start of free agency before making any decisions.

As soon as free agency opened, Portland gave Jerami Grant $160 million. The following morning, Lillard requested a trade from the only franchise he’s ever known.

The Blazers said they wanted to accommodate that request. But the fact Lillard had pegged Miami as the only place he wanted to go — and that his representatives were trying to depress the market by scaring off other potentially interested suitors, telling them they’d be getting an unhappy Dame if they dealt for him — complicated matters. (The NBA later sent all 30 teams a memo emphasizing any comments suggesting a player “will not fully perform the services called for under his player contract in the event of a trade” will be subject to league discipline.)

The most frequently theorized packages for Miami to send to the Pacific Northwest were headlined by former Sixth Man of the Year Tyler Herro. But adding another combo guard who’d cannibalize touches and playmaking opportunities for Simons, Sharpe and Henderson didn’t seem all that enticing to the Blazers … which is why Portland reportedly preferred constructions that would move Herro to a third team … which, with Herro just about to start a four-year, $120 million contract extension, profiled as a tricky bit of business.

And so: a holding pattern. The Blazers, who’d hoped for a return for Lillard on the order of what the Timberwolves gave up for Rudy Gobert or the Suns forked over for Kevin Durant, didn’t like Miami’s offer enough to quickly consummate a deal. The Heat, seeing no other actual offers on the board, felt no compulsion to bid against themselves and add any sweeteners to their package. And with Lillard having signed that extension to keep him under team control through at least the summer of 2026, the Blazers represented a willingness to just hunker down and wait for something better.

“We're going to be patient,” Cronin told reporters at Las Vegas Summer League in July. “We're going to do what's best for our team. We're going to see how this lands. And if it takes months, it takes months.”

That made sense. The nearest pseudo-deadline in the proceedings was when NBA teams reconvene for media day on Monday ahead of the start of training camp. (Even the question of which camps Lillard would be willing to report to spurred a little drama.) Sure enough, ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski reported in mid-September the Blazers had “done a lot more talking with teams in the [previous two weeks] than they did probably in at least a month-plus prior,” with their sights set on constructing multi-team deals that could net a larger package of draft picks and young players than a straight one-to-one swap with Miami would offer.

Lillard, for his part, said during multiple media appearances that while “in a perfect world” he’d love to stay in Portland, he can’t help seeing himself and the Blazers organization moving in different directions.

“You don’t want the same thing no more, and you show me that you don’t want the same thing,” he said. “We don’t want the same thing."

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Post by sinus007 Wed Sep 27, 2023 4:04 pm

Hi,
So, the Bucks swapped defense for offence. Giannis will be able to spend more time on D.
We'll see how it plays out.

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Post by jrleftfoot Wed Sep 27, 2023 4:17 pm

Milwaukee swap rights to Blazers is meaningless, unless I'm missing something. So, Bucks get Lillard for Jrue, Grayson Allen and a #1. Seems like Toronto could have offered a better package. Color me Green, but not with envy. I still think we are better than them, but the gap is less wide. Is Porzingis a better pickup for us than Dame for them ? Did Marcus and Grant have more value for us than Jrue and Allen did for them? Which team has the better role players and bench? All TBD
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Post by RosalieTCeltics Wed Sep 27, 2023 5:00 pm

Spoken by someone who bleeds green!!!! You are right, TBD
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Post by jrleftfoot Wed Sep 27, 2023 5:57 pm

RosalieTCeltics wrote:Spoken by someone who bleeds green!!!!   You are right, TBD
                                            Thanks for the compliment .It is going to be fun...
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Post by prakash Wed Sep 27, 2023 6:05 pm

NBA is so interesting. The Bucks definitely got better on paper but they will have to figure some things out.

We added Porzingis. I think that we are OK. I would like to see if we can upgrade Brogdon in some way. Then there is this whole luxury tax apron issue to think about.

My gut tells me that the Celts will make a move, likely at the trade deadline and not before the start of the regular season.

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Post by worcester Wed Sep 27, 2023 7:59 pm

Dan Devine said that Dame was the best player in Blazers franchise history, echoing the South Pacific song, "There is nothing like a Dame."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ljm9CDRAhMQ

How quickly they forget. Dame averaged 25.2 ppg in 11 years with 0.3 blocks, 4.2 rb and 6.7 assists.

Bill Walton in four years as a Blazer averaged 17.1 ppg, 2.6 blocks, 13.5 rb, and 4.4 assists.

For the years Walton played, he was the best Blazer ever.
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Post by willjr Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:28 pm

worcester wrote:Dan Devine said that Dame was the best player in Blazers franchise history, echoing the South Pacific song, "There is nothing like a Dame."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ljm9CDRAhMQ

How quickly they forget. Dame averaged 25.2 ppg in 11 years  with 0.3 blocks, 4.2 rb and 6.7 assists.

Bill Walton in four years as a Blazer averaged 17.1 ppg, 2.6 blocks, 13.5 rb, and 4.4 assists.

For the years Walton played, he was the best Blazer ever.

I rank Dame no higher than 3rd. Drexler 1. Walton 2. Dame 3. LaMarcus Aldridge 4. Geoff Petrie 5. Jim Paxson 6. Terry Porter 7.
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Post by worcester Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:33 pm

I forgot Clyde the Glide. How quickly I forgot!
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Post by dbrown4 Thu Sep 28, 2023 6:01 am

Yeah, it's time for Giannis to get the pen out and have a glass of STHU after that rabbit got pulled out of the hat.  Too bad they will come up short again.  But dang, if you don't love this season coming up, there's something wrong with you!  This will clearly be a game of inches.  

I'm with prakash.  Celtics do need one more move to get over the top.  Paging Mr. Stevens.  Paging Mr. Stevens...  

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Post by cowens/oldschool Thu Sep 28, 2023 8:54 am

This trade doesn’t really scare me. Bucks lost their best perimeter defender Holliday, who was coming off his best year. He defended everywhere impactfully from 1-3, Damien can’t do that. We beat Bucks by 30 and 40 in 2 games last year, they couldn’t defend our wings and still can’t after this trade. We can still defend him with White and Tatum and Brown like defending points for stretches. Dame will have his moments offensively, but Bucks defense and depth just went down a notch….

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Post by RosalieTCeltics Thu Sep 28, 2023 9:19 am

Looks like Jimmy was a bit ticked off!! Accused Milwaukee of tampering, I just laughed and shut it off!!
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Post by worcester Thu Sep 28, 2023 9:26 am

Cow...you are right.  Dame won't improve their O enough to overcome their lack of D against the C's.

Rosalie...Jimmy B has an amazing sense of humor or else no memory of how Miami tampered to get its
Big 3.


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Post by willjr Thu Sep 28, 2023 9:39 am

Don’t know if there’s any substance to this but…

https://share.newsbreak.com/5159kjvu
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Post by worcester Thu Sep 28, 2023 9:47 am

Milwaukee would Jrue the day they traded him if he winds up as a Celtic, but who would Portland want from us in return?
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Post by willjr Thu Sep 28, 2023 9:59 am

Good question Worcester, maybe Malcolm and Pritchard. I didn’t run it through the trade machine or even check salaries. And I love your play on words! Very Happy
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Post by RosalieTCeltics Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:00 am

It is rather sad....just a couple of days before this trade Jrue came out and said he wanted to retire a Buck, finish his career in Milwaukee. Then.......?? Bang, gone in a heartbeat. I will tell you if Brogden got ticked off about them trading him to LA, how would he feel now. But my thinking is, they would want Derrick White, younger, healthier, and in my estimation, more valuable. Yes Worcester, Jimmy has a short memory. This has to have been a slap in the face to Miami. Unfortunately, I feel their next move is going after Siakam.
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Post by RosalieTCeltics Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:04 am

Jrue would probably jump at the chance to come here. Look out, Riley may go after him instead. By the way, who is Jordan Schakel? did I spell it right? just got signed to a training camp contract, he was with Wizards last year. Come on Brad, shock the NBA and put them on on their heels and sign a shocker
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https://us.yahoo.com/sports/breaking-down-players-phoenix-suns-035126444.html



Breaking down new players on Phoenix Suns roster after Ayton trade


Dana Scott, Arizona Republic

Updated Thu, September 28, 2023 at 7:41 AM PDT·4 min read


The Phoenix Suns are closing their busy offseason with a bang entering training camp next week.

Deandre Ayton, Phoenix's only No. 1 overall draft pick in franchise history, was sent to the Portland Trail Blazers in a mammoth three-team trade deal on Wednesday. He was Phoenix's five-year starting center who helped lead the team to the 2021 finals.

Phoenix got four players in the deal: Jusuf Nurkic, Nassir Little, and Keon Johnson from Portland; and Grayson Allen from Milwaukee.

Now, Phoenix has 20 players on its current roster. That will be whittled down to the league's standard 15 before the team's regular season tips off on Oct. 24 at the Golden State Warriors.


Meet the new players.

NBA championship odds: Where Bucks, Suns stand after Damian Lillard, Deandre Ayton trade


Jusuf Nurkic

Position: Center

Height: 7-foot

Age/years of experience: 29/nine

Career statistics: 12.3 points, 8.6 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 1.2 blocks, .502/.292/.671

Salary owed in 2023-24 season/contract years left: $16.8 million/three

Outlook: From the Nurkic acquisition, Phoenix gets some relief in its top-heavy payroll. Phoenix saves about $16 million from paying Ayton over $33 million he's owed this season from the rookie max extension he signed in July 2022. The Bosnian big Nurkic is a burly 290-pound formidable rim protector and rebounder for Phoenix's new defensive-minded coach Frank Vogel's system. Nurkic produces close to a double-double like Ayton, and is solid passing big will likely be Phoenix's starter to replace him. But Nurkic's health has been a concern for most of his career, especially since January 2019. He's played 153 games since then, including 52 last season (all starts), and has just four seasons appearing in over 60 games. Nurkic adds depth in the middle for Phoenix with his former Portland teammate Drew Eubanks, Bol Bol, and Udoka Azubuike.


Grayson Allen

Position: Guard

Height: 6-4

Age/years of experience: 27, five

Career statistics: 9.7 points, 2.8 rebounds, 1.7 assists, .435/.395/.861

Salary owed in 2023-24 season/contract years left: $8.5 million/one

Outlook: Allen's reputation as a menacing cheap-shot artist has followed him since his days at Duke. However, Allen is a sharpshooter who stretches defenses when he's in the groove from deep. Phoenix will need that from him backing up Beal and Booker at the two spot, and because Phoenix ranked last in 3s made in this past postseason. Allen started in 131 of the 138 games through two years in Milwaukee, which had the league's best record 58-24 last season. He'll be an unrestricted free agent next summer.


Nassir Little

Position: Forward

Height: 6-5

Age/years of experience: 23/four

Career statistics: 6.0 points, 3.2 rebounds, .451/.335/.725

Salary owed in 2023-24 season/contract years left: $6.25 million/four

Outlook: The former one-and-done out of North Carolina's 7-foot-1 wingspan adds more length to Phoenix, which has a lot of that from its free agent additions this summer. Little has an explosive first step as slasher from the perimeter. He signed a four-year, $28 million rookie extension with Portland last October after he produced career-highs 9.8 points, 5.6 rebounds, 1.3 assists in 25.9 minutes per game in the 2021-22 season. Little flourished as he got more touches when Damian Lillard, the centerpiece of the three-team trade deal, was sidelined for 53 games that year. In Lillard's return last season, Little's averages slipped to 6.6 points and 2.9 rebounds in 18.1 minutes, in 54 appearances, but his 3-point shooting was slightly improved to his best ever at 36.7%.


Keon Johnson

Position: Guard

Height: 6-4

Age/years of experience: 21, two

Career statistics: 5.9 points, 1.8 assists, .362/.343/.739

Salary owed in 2023-24 season/contract years left: $2.8 million/two

Outlook: One thing about Johnson is that he's got crazy hops. The former Tennessee standout still holds the NBA Combine's best ever 48 inches recorded in 2021. Johnson has a sinewy 185-pound frame, still has some rawness to in his game, but possesses speed, decent defender, and plays well above the rim like Phoenix wing Josh Okogie. Johnson's best career numbers came in 2021-22 like Little. Johnson produced 9.7 points, 2.9 assists, 2.7 rebounds, and one steal in 25.5 minutes in 22 games that year. Last season, his numbers dropped to 4.7 points in 10.4 minutes through 40 games played. Similar to Allen, Johnson's contract is tradeable and doesn't break the bank for a potential suitor if Phoenix pursues another deal in the near future. Johnson's a restricted free agent in 2025.


Bob


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Post by dbrown4 Thu Sep 28, 2023 2:25 pm

I thought once you were traded, you had to hang out for a while and couldn't move to another team via trade. I'm sure I'm missing something!

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Post by Celtics17 Thu Sep 28, 2023 2:28 pm

No doubt Bucks are a serious threat now, but I think it is pretty even between us and them. I'm concerned about where Holiday will land? I hate to see Pat Riley get him.

I'm not an expert on the salary cap, but I don't think Brogdon and Pritchard would do it? I don't want to add in either Al, Rob or D White. Can someone comment or make a guess on how we could get Holiday???
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