Re: OK.....SO WHAT DOES DANNY DO?

by **cowens/oldschool** Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:26 pm

Murphy can't and never could defend,he doesn't have a versatile offensive game,all hes got is an outside shot,hes actually like a shorter version of Raef that can't block shots,when has any team hes been on been a winning team?

by **steve3344** Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:28 am

cowens/oldschool wrote:Murphy can't and never could defend,he doesn't have a versatile offensive game,all hes got is an outside shot,hes actually like a shorter version of Raef that can't block shots,when has any team hes been on been a winning team?

His elementary school team went 15-10.

by **beat** Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:13 am

Cow

You mean he plays D like Dino " my man can't stop me either" Radja?

beat

by **beat** Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:19 am

Personally I do not expect any moves. We really don;t have much wiggle room anyway. Our core is pretty well set and I think with the exception of Quis and JO our health will be OK, Perk certainly gets a gold star for coming back so soon after major surgery nearly playing as if he had not skipped a beat.

But one never knows DA has a much better read on this than any of us.

we shall know soon.

beat

by **112288** Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:27 am

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by **beat** Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:49 am

112288

already read it before you posted it.

Interesting options but again I really do not see any moves with the exception of Quis's spot should DA find out the likelyhood of his returning this year poor.

beat

by **Outside** Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:01 am

On the bright side, there's only one week left until the trading deadline passes and most of this hilarity subsides.

by **beat** Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:04 am

Outside wrote:On the bright side, there's only one week left until the trading deadline passes and most of this hilarity subsides.

gotta believe Carmelo will be glad when this is over.

by **RosalieTCeltics** Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:13 am

What I have read about Rudy Fernandez is that he no longer wants to be traded and is very happy now in Portland. He bought a house and is settled in there. The
team seems to use him more, especially with Roy injured half the year or more. So,
I think you can forget about him, the ship has sailed there.

by **LACELTFAN** Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:31 am

Once again I go where wise men fear to tread...
I predict DA does nothing unless he gets some kind of really sweet deal, the no brainer kind...He will troll the waters because he'd be a fool not to, but that big fish probably isn't out there. Then to ridiculously mix my metaphors...he'll cut bait and go home.

by **RosalieTCeltics** Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:27 pm

I am totally in agreement with you. Danny will not do anything just for the sake of making a move. West will come back, and God willing, he will be alot of help backing up Rondo and Allen. Maybe that will put Nate in the position he belongs, the two guard, and hopefully he will find that shot he has lost so far this year. I still believe he and West could work together and relieve the first unit. Then there is Wafer.
I know he is no superstar, but he is finding his way around in the past few weeks and could be an asset. Sure, it would be great to sign a guy like Rip, but is he really going to be happy coming off the bench playing second fiddle? I doubt it. He has to be disgusted by now at the way he has been treated so I think he will seek out a team that will use his talents in the way they should be.

by **celtic fan** Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:51 am

beat wrote:Cfan

Are we really doing fine without him? Seems we have NO reliable BU PG and Tmac would not fill that role period. West seemed to be fitting in nicely until the injury.............plus Tmac is a lot like JO now in that he is too often injured.

Gotta agree with Sam, give me West back and see how things go.

beat

well let's see, the Celtics have the best record in the East and well West has played in 6 games this year. Yup it's safe to say they've managed without him. Is it better to have West than not? Absolutely, but if Danny were to include him in a deal, it's not like the team would notice it at all at this point.

I agree T-mac has been injury prone throughout his career, but with his rolled back mins (23/game) this year, he's played in all 58 games for the Pistons. I think he'd be worth the gamble if there's a deal to be had there. I don't think this move is essential, but with Daniels down it's a solid move if Danny is going to make a move.

by **celtic fan** Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:05 am

sam wrote:CF,

Whoa there. Let's rethink the part about McGrady being more than capable of running the very complex, precision Celtics offense. Where's the support for that statement? In addition, what is there about his recent play that suggests he has defensive instincts that are in the same arena with guys like West or Prince? This is a team that not only depends on stifling defense but also has a highly involved defensive scheme.

I hear a lot about freeing Nate Robinson to be himself. Well, it doesn't really seem to matter which position he's playing this season. His FG and 3-point shooting percentages are among his worst-ever in this league. And, forgetting stats for the moment, he seems to lack any kind of sense for when to launch and not to launch a three, to the point where he can be a downright rally-killer. I will credit him for greatly improved defense as a Celtic, but that doesn't make him any taller to defend against much longer SGs.

Finally, when you say McGrady is capable of playing SF or SG and is also capable of running the Celtics' offense, do you mean he'd be doing all three simultaneously? What they need is not tweeners but solid players suited to each position. Perhaps McGrady might be considered for the SF spot, but I'd be very concerned about his defense.

I'm hoping that, IF Danny makes a move for a SF, it'll be someone with strong defensive credentials. I'll be satisfied with West and Wafer at the 1 and 2 respectively, with both of them also helping to spread the floor. IF Marquis comes back, he can be an excellent swing man.

Sam

Sam, I'm not saying Run T-Mac at the point. He'd be more like a Pippen type role as the offense would flow through him on the 2nd unit after Nate brings the ball up the court and is able to freelance.. cause that's what Nate will do anyways. Nate's like Vinny Johnson, a spark off the bench. I knew he wouldn't compeletely reer his game in from his Knicks days so you take the good and the bad with Nate.

By some of your comments, I'm thinking you haven't seen a lot of T-Mac in his career. First off he's 6'7" and not a tweener. He's played both the SG and SF role capably. T-Mac biggest fault is that he's not a Batman type player to lead a team to playoff success. He's a Robin. 5 tool player, was a very good defender (above average in his prime). He was also and elite scorer, but his game was more rounded than most elite scorers. Injuries have diminished his athleticism, but he's figured out how to compenstate for that in Detroit and is not trying to do it all anymore. He's more than capable of running the offense for the 2nd unit from the wing, either by making smart passes or dribble driving and dishing.

I'm not 100% on how well he plays Def now, but I think he'd do well with the team philosophy. I like that he's accepted a lesser role on the Pistons.
I'd definitely like to see him in Celtic green over some other guys.

However if Shane Battier is even remotely possible, giddy up bounce

by **Sam** Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:54 pm

CF,

Apparently the Battier thing is a pipe dream. Too bad.

I only mentioned "tweener" because it seemed that was how you were positioning McGrady in terms of being suited to multiple positions. I'd prefer a SF specialist because we have other bench players with that kind of versatility.

I haven't made the kind of study of McGrady that I have of Celtics players, but I've certainly watched him play a fair amount (when he wasn't injured). I wouldn't want to judge him on what he used to be because he's clearly not that. And what he used to be included being what I'd call a selective defender. He'd defend when he got the urge; and he didn't seem to get the urge against elite SFs.

I suppose it could be hoped that the Celtics' defensive culture could change his defensive instincts. But that sort of thing usually involves a learning curve; and I believe the Celtics' bench has a lot of improving to do in a short period without also having a key member of that bench retooling his defensive instincts.

But we'll see what (if anything) happens. If McGrady wound up in Boston, I'd certainly root my hardest for him.

Sam

by **celtic fan** Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:43 pm

well rumours are strong for 2 things from what I've seen today. C's are after Parker in Cleveland (not a huge fan and his Def is wanting for sure) and the Warriors have engaged talks about acquiring Nate, not sources yet on what they'd be sending to beantown.

I have to admit I've been a huge T-Mac hater. Couldn't stand the way he sulked out of T.O. because Vince was the man and he was the sidekick who did all the little things. He watned to be the man and when he got that shot he couldn't win a single playoff series. So he sulked out of Orlando to Houston.

that said I think he's matured and faced the facts with his injuries and I think having such a versatile player on the 2nd unit would be a solid addition so long as there wasn't too much subtraction. I'd like him better than Parker, but Parker is younger and healthier so maybe that's something to look at. Toss in teh fact that T-Mac hasn't been mentioned in any rumours and it was more of a thought as to who'd be a good addtion. Parker is a possibility, T-Mac probably not.

by **Sam** Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:09 pm

McGrady was mentioned early in the trade speculation, but I haven't seen anything lately. I think of Parker more as a 6' 6" guard.

But the more time passes, the more it seems that whatever happens (if anything) won't be an ideal scenario. Compromises will be made, and it will be up to all parties involved to make the best of it. I had sort of hoped the Knicks trade (not the one for Anthony...the one for Brewer) would jump start the trade winds for wing players, but that doesn't seem to be happening.

A. Sherrod Blakely (who I sometimes think is a lightweight in a big man's suit) said last night that buyouts have usually occurred by this time. If he's right, that blows up my hope that they could still acquire a player via that route even after the trade deadline.

Still, it seems imperative that Danny do something. I guess the smart thing is not to miss any meals over it. He does or he doesn't. Whatever.

Sam

by **Sam** Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:37 pm

So now I'm reading (on Hoops Hype) that the Celts have had discussions with Phoenix about Grant Hill (I'll believe it when I see it), Jared Dudley, and Mickael Pietrus.

Dudley is 6' 7" and is regarded as a very good defender (especially on the perimeter, stopping penetration and in transition) but mediocre otherwise. Fair jumper, shoots around 40% from the arc.

Pietrus now seems more likely to go to Golden State.

Sam

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