Roster is set

Hi,
I guess this transaction completes the roster.
What do you think about CA?
I wasn't impressed with his performance in Mia, but here is another team, completely different environment.

AK

Also Shaq not playing Wend, now its his foot, well might as well rest him until one week before playoffs.

Well, for one thing, he wasn't able to operate like a point guard in Miami, that was LeBron's job. Even if it wasn't, LeBron never lets the ball out of his hands.

Here's Carlos Arroyo's stats. Check out /36mpg:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/arroyca01.html

His scoring is about the same this year but he's shooting 46%, which is better than his career 44%. His assist-to-turnover ratio is a respectable 3.6:1.6 (2.25:1) and last season, with Wade letting him run the offense, his assist-to-turnover ratio was 5.1:1.2 (4.25:1). That's quite healthy.

He got a reputation for butting heads with Jerry Sloan, when he was with Utah.
A. You're gonna lose that one, kid.
B. Try doing that with Doc and KG will bite your head off and eat it like a praying mantis.

He played for Maccabi-Tel Aviv, who are the Boston Celtics of the Euro league, and was the Finals MVP in 2008. He was on the 2004-2005 Detroit Pistons that played the Spurs in the Finals. So he has big time playoff experience.

He is, purportedly, not that great on defense.

The plusses:
1. He knows the Heat playbook.
2. He would love nothing better than to bury them.
3. He is a true point guard, not a tweener like Nate.
4. He's shooting 44% from 3 this year.
5. Now we don't have to rely on Bradley, who is still not ready for the big show coming up in a month or so.

The minuses:
1. He got cut instead of Chalmers, who was further down the depth chart.
2. Nothing to write home about on defense and the second unit is already looking shaky on defense.
3. We are now going to war with Shaq, JON and Krstic at center, and two of them are, shall we say, iffy?

bob

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I know that Arroyo doesn't play the same way as West, but, watching what has gone on since West got here, it was important to get another backup guard so that Rondo won't be playing 40 minutes a game. I am not in love with this guy, but.....time will tell.

I figured boston would add a point guard. Ca has experience and should make the 12 man playoff roster.

If the oneals can get healthy, t the celtics should win the whole thing.

Dboss

How do you like the way the Heat are playing???? They seem to have alot of ISSUES lately. Being up by 24 and losing the lead, and then losing by what, 25plus
last night. Couldn't happen to a better bunch of guys. They will get it together, though, I am sure. It just may take then two or three years!

holy crap we signed Carlos Arroyo?

He's feisty and would work well with West. They could bring good energy and ball pressure.

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good move, delonte has played like 8 games. I am really starting to worry over
Shaq too. He just aint reliable. May have to go with what we got and I dont think we have enough inside to win the whole thing.

jeb wrote:good move, delonte has played like 8 games. I am really starting to worry over
Shaq too. He just aint reliable. May have to go with what we got and I dont think we have enough inside to win the whole thing.

Hey goober... you think that Arroyo might enjoy a bit of payback against the Heat?

I'm also beginning to worry about DWest.

Snakebit all year.

GC

Hey, GC, good to see you on the board.

Sam

I had hoped to see a little more of what Johnson might bring us in the way of depth at center but getting another point guard makes more sense. Arroyo is as good a choice as there is right now. West is less than certain physically so we now have some insurance.

We should be fine at center with Krstic and Davis even if Davis lacks length. If we can get anything from Shaq that would be even better. I think even if Shaq comes back he ends up behind Krstic anyway, despite earlier indications to the contrary. Murphy has played the 5 in the past as well so there's a little extra depth if needed.

I think we've got what we'll need if we can get, and stay, healthy.

I like this move for Boston.
Arroyo is a decent player and knows how to be an NBA pg which Bradley does not know how to do yet. Even if it is for only 5 minutes, Arroyo will be better equipped to handle the offense. 5 minutes in a playoff game could be important minutes.

Looks like there's going to be a battle now for the final two roster playoff spots. I think the first 10 are pretty much locked in barring disaster. Those 10 would be:

Starters: Rondo, Allen, Pierce, KG, Kristic

Bench: Green, Delonte, Baby, Shaq, Murphy

That leaves: Wafer, Bradley, Arroyo, Pavlovic, and JO fighting for the last two spots.

I think Bradley is out for sure, making it a 4 man battle for 2 spots. By signing Arroyo it tells me two things:
1. Delonte is a health risk and having Arroyo gives you a nice insurance.
2. Johnson was expendable because the Celts believe JO will give them something come playoff time, it may not be much but it may not have to be.

In the end I see the two spots going to Arroyo and JO. If West is clearly healthy and they are not impressed with Arroyo then I'd look for Wafer to grab his spot. If JO is left off and Arroyo is on then I'd guess Wafer would grab JO's spot then.

If JO isn't healthy then Shaq better be. Don't forget Baby is banged up too right now. I wouldn't be thrilled about going into the playoffs with the only truly healthy bigs being an aged KG, Murphy who is still shaking off rust and Kristic. I still maintain though that we could win 18 with a banged up Shaq and without JO because of the starting five but it would be one bumpy ride, hope everybody brings their seatbelts then.
Feel free to disagree and offer your thoughts on what you think should and will be the roster.

TickTock wrote:Looks like there's going to be a battle now for the final two roster playoff spots. I think the first 10 are pretty much locked in barring disaster. Those 10 would be:

Starters: Rondo, Allen, Pierce, KG, Kristic

Bench: Green, Delonte, Baby, Shaq, Murphy

That leaves: Wafer, Bradley, Arroyo, Pavlovic, and JO fighting for the last two spots.

I think Bradley is out for sure, making it a 4 man battle for 2 spots. By signing Arroyo it tells me two things:
1. Delonte is a health risk and having Arroyo gives you a nice insurance.
2. Johnson was expendable because the Celts believe JO will give them something come playoff time, it may not be much but it may not have to be.

In the end I see the two spots going to Arroyo and JO. If West is clearly healthy and they are not impressed with Arroyo then I'd look for Wafer to grab his spot. If JO is left off and Arroyo is on then I'd guess Wafer would grab JO's spot then.

If JO isn't healthy then Shaq better be. Don't forget Baby is banged up too right now. I wouldn't be thrilled about going into the playoffs with the only truly healthy bigs being an aged KG, Murphy who is still shaking off rust and Kristic. I still maintain though that we could win 18 with a banged up Shaq and without JO because of the starting five but it would be one bumpy ride, hope everybody brings their seatbelts then.
Feel free to disagree and offer your thoughts on what you think should and will be the roster.

tick tock,

If Shaq is healthy, I predict Shaq will start. I've got two reasons for saying this. One, he plays well with the starters and we don't know how well he plays with the new bench and; Two, Krstic knows Green and Green knows Krstic. That will provide some instant chemistry on the second unit with a minimum amount of time and coaching.

For the most part, though, I don't disagree with the rest of your post. It makes a lot of sense to me. You said that Wafer will grab Arroyo's slot if West is down and Arroyo fails to impress. You're probably right about that. Wafer has shown he can fit into Doc's defensive orientation without surrendering his scoring touch, but I'm interested to see the battle unfold between Wafer and Pavlovic. Pavlovic is a proven NBA player who can play 2 positions while Wafer is an NBA journeyman who has had trouble sticking. As I said, I've gone from being a Von Wafer skeptic to a Von Wafer fan, but it will be interesting to see how things go when Sasha has some time with the system and his new teammates under his belt. Doc might see it as an advantage to be able to bring Sasha in to spell Pierce and move Green to 4. I don't see Wafer being able to backup Pierce, but I do see Sasha being able to come in and spell Ray. When you have to set your roster and you don't know exactly who you'll be facing, guys like Green and Sasha and Davis come in mighty handy.

bob


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sam wrote:Hey, GC, good to see you on the board.

Sam

Greeting Sam. Always a pleasure to visit and read about our beloved C's in such good company.

I'm very bullish on the chances for #18... if healthy.

I like to look in to see how my favorite goober, the jebster, is doing.

I have a sister just finishing chemo and doing great.

It's all about attitude and willingness to feel horrible beyond words.... before turning the corner and starting to feel good once again.

BTW... it is my imagination or does Jeff Green remind anyone (other than me)... of Charlie Scott the way he runs the floor?

GC

Bob,

Agreed that Shaq should start if healthy. I merely put Kristic as the starter as he is healthy now and the starter now, sorry for not putting that in my post.

When you say if West is down do you mean down as in can play or down as in can't play? I stated that if West could play and Arroyo didn't impress that Wafer would grab his spot. If West is showing signs that he may be limited or can't go at all then I think Arroyo is a lock for one of the 12 spots unless he completely stinks (let's hope not).

I too have been a Wafer skeptic although he is starting to grow on me. I think Doc would choose him right now due to experience within the system though the next few weeks may vault Pavlovic ahead. Hopefully the battle for a playoff spot will light a fire under both of them.

Sittin in the UTICA Aud yesterday watching 6 High school Sectional championships..............Marcus is playing with his ipod and connected to the world and smacks me later in the PM (perhaps the 4th game) "Hey dad the C's just picked up Arroyo." Of course my response was Are you kidding?

Showed me the headline and I thought hm...........Think Sam said that another PG might be the best way to go. Had to give up on Johnson for now but thats fine.

My second thought was that of pissing of some in Miami whom thought CA was their best PG.

Just thinking 3-4 weeks ago if we made no moves what our roster would be today. NO....... Shaq, JO, West, Nate, Wafer, Quis, Baby, SE, or Perk. That would have left 6 healthy bodies. KG RA PP RR Luke,and Bradley. Some may have been able to go in a pinch but at what price to them or their long term health?

And what kind of strain would that jave put on the starters even with some stop gap measures.

Lot of what if's with the moves and each can be debated till the cows come home, but obviously we would have been in dire straits had nothing been done.

Kuduo's to DA

beat

gacracker wrote:
Greeting Sam. Always a pleasure to visit and read about our beloved C's in such good company.

I'm very bullish on the chances for #18... if healthy.

I like to look in to see how my favorite goober, the jebster, is doing.

I have a sister just finishing chemo and doing great.

It's all about attitude and willingness to feel horrible beyond words.... before turning the corner and starting to feel good once again.

BTW... it is my imagination or does Jeff Green remind anyone (other than me)... of Charlie Scott the way he runs the floor?

GC

GC,

This is the first I've seen you on the board since I joined about a week ago and I wanted to take this post to basically say hello.

Please send my best wishes to your sister, truly glad to hear she is doing great.

I look forward to seeing you on the board more often and celebrating 18 together.

gacracker wrote:

sam wrote:Hey, GC, good to see you on the board.

Sam

Greeting Sam. Always a pleasure to visit and read about our beloved C's in such good company.

I'm very bullish on the chances for #18... if healthy.

I like to look in to see how my favorite goober, the jebster, is doing.

I have a sister just finishing chemo and doing great.

It's all about attitude and willingness to feel horrible beyond words.... before turning the corner and starting to feel good once again.

BTW... it is my imagination or does Jeff Green remind anyone (other than me)... of Charlie Scott the way he runs the floor?


GC

Both Long and lean with Green probably a big longer. I tend to agree a bit more with Sam on the Bias comparison as to what he may have been. I do think he has a chance to achieve a very high level but will have a little difficulty doing so with our current roster just like Bias may have too had he lived long enough to play.

beat

GC

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TickTock wrote:Bob,

Agreed that Shaq should start if healthy. I merely put Kristic as the starter as he is healthy now and the starter now, sorry for not putting that in my post.

When you say if West is down do you mean down as in can play or down as in can't play? I stated that if West could play and Arroyo didn't impress that Wafer would grab his spot. If West is showing signs that he may be limited or can't go at all then I think Arroyo is a lock for one of the 12 spots unless he completely stinks (let's hope not).

I too have been a Wafer skeptic although he is starting to grow on me. I think Doc would choose him right now due to experience within the system though the next few weeks may vault Pavlovic ahead. Hopefully the battle for a playoff spot will light a fire under both of them.

tick tock,

I meant West "down" as in can't play without obvious difficulty. If he's just in a slump I think Doc will stick with him because of his versatility (can play 1 and 2) and because he's a well known quantity that knows the playbook.

As far as Wafer/Sasha goes, may the best man win because if that happens, the team wins.

bob

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Agreed on everything Bob,

The only way West doesn't make the playoff roster is if he is physically unable to get on the court.

Hey Gc whats the haps? How is your sister now? Through chemo I hope. Man chemo is tough. There is now way to get ready for it each person just has to ride it out as they can. Glad you feel good about 18. I will feel better when we have some Oneals but that may be a pipe dream. The evidence does not support it. Shaq will take us to the barn with 20 damn minutes a night and JO only needs to play ten. Kristic is damn nice to have and can close games and hit free throws. Thats 21 feet of timber to throw at opposing teams. I got to think Danny knows the Oneals are going to come back or he would not have traded Perk. I am seeing plenty of upside with Green.

jeb wrote:Hey Gc whats the haps? How is your sister now? Through chemo I hope. Man chemo is tough. There is now way to get ready for it each person just has to ride it out as they can. Glad you feel good about 18. I will feel better when we have some Oneals but that may be a pipe dream. The evidence does not support it. Shaq will take us to the barn with 20 damn minutes a night and JO only needs to play ten. Kristic is damn nice to have and can close games and hit free throws. Thats 21 feet of timber to throw at opposing teams. I got to think Danny knows the Oneals are going to come back or he would not have traded Perk. I am seeing plenty of upside with Green.

I've heard that chemo is tough but I saw that it was tough when I cared for my sister. She's back at work, winding down chemo and will start hormone therapy in the not to distant future. She's a fighter. It took a while for her to accept the hair loss and wig but I kinda like the Sinead O'Connor look myself.

I hated to lose Perk... but he was going to be difficult to sign next season... and he got some big money too boot. I do like Jeff Green. Krstic has got some hops too.

I was thinking that Green looked awfully familiar and decided (in the fog of my porous long-term memory deficits) that he maybe looked like Charlie Scott. Turned out to be Len Bias as suggested above. I never would have gone there or thought to make that comparison.

I locked up the Bias hurt TOTALLY in 1986 and threw away the key. The worse day I've ever had as a Celtic fan... by far.. until Reggie died.

I went on YouTube today and viewed some LB highlight films looking for a resemblance to Jeff Green... and cried my guts out. The grieving process has at least started for me... 25 years late.

Then Reggie's ghosts may be next. Who knows.

Chow, elvis!

GC

GA

Bias stupidity set the team back for a long time. He was to be the bridge and would have prolonged the careers of the McHale and Bird (at least the effective years)

There's not a Celtic fan that was alive then that feels anydifferent than you.

Not sure if Green is Bias good yet BUT he can be I believe,

beat