Goodbye Phil, Hello Mike Brown?

Inside Hoops and Hoops Hype trumpeting the following (I'm posting the Inside Hoops quote). Unconfirmed otherwise, as far as I know.

Sam

The Lakers have put together a deal to hire former Cleveland Cavaliers coach Mike Brown as their new coach, an NBA official who was not authorized to speak publicly on the matter said late Tuesday. If Brown agrees to the deal, he'll sign a contract worth between $4 million and $4.5 million per season,

Read more: http://www.insidehoops.com/nba_rumors.shtml#ixzz1NN7iZEqS

I've read that the Lakers were mostly concerned with how much they were going to pay the coach as opposed to who was the best coach they could hire... personally as a Celtics fan I love it. Adleman or Brown won't be bringing the Lakers back to the finals IMO.

Has he done anything noteworthy except for the Cavs while Lebron was there?

Some coaches I just do not get like Mike D'Antoni. Why do you hire him?

All of these developments I'm sure don't put Brian Shaw in a pleasant frame of mind. He thought he was the heir apparent or "coach in waiting" when Jackson finally had his Phil (lol).

MD!

If Pat Riley wants to leave his wife and become Jeanne Buss' new boy toy, and provided he can persuade or hijack Wade, James, & Bosh into taking their collective talents from South Beach to Long Beach or Laguna Beach, or Marina Del Ray, he could succeed Phil and cast the dawn of a new Showtime at Staples Center. (LOL)

MD

celtic fan wrote:I've read that the Lakers were mostly concerned with how much they were going to pay the coach as opposed to who was the best coach they could hire... personally as a Celtics fan I love it. Adleman or Brown won't be bringing the Lakers back to the finals IMO.

Money was not a factor in finding the right coach. They were willing to pay what was standard for NBA coaches. They are supposedly paying Brown $4.5m per year. If Doc re-signed for $5.5m/year, I would say what LA offered Brown is fair.

Many on this board mocked Spolestra and wondered how long it would be before Riley took over as coach.
Well, Spolestra has Miami on the verge of being in the Finals. Is he a better coach then Mike Brown? I don't think so.
To think that LA won't be to the Finals with Adelman or Brown as their coach is nonsense.

tjmakz wrote:

celtic fan wrote:I've read that the Lakers were mostly concerned with how much they were going to pay the coach as opposed to who was the best coach they could hire... personally as a Celtics fan I love it. Adleman or Brown won't be bringing the Lakers back to the finals IMO.

Money was not a factor in finding the right coach. They were willing to pay what was standard for NBA coaches. They are supposedly paying Brown $4.5m per year. If Doc re-signed for $5.5m/year, I would say what LA offered Brown is fair.

Many on this board mocked Spolestra and wondered how long it would be before Riley took over as coach.
Well, Spolestra has Miami on the verge of being in the Finals. Is he a better coach then Mike Brown? I don't think so.
To think that LA won't be to the Finals with Adelman or Brown as their coach is nonsense.

TJ,

I do think you're right and that Adelman or Brown would actually be a good fit.

I just want you to know I'd be willing to do it for about $4 mil and save you guys about $500K...

Regards


By the way; I did maintain from the start that Spoelstra was a good defensive-minded coach and sure enough he's got them playing outstanding defense. Overall I would take Mike Brown first, however, but I think Spoelstra's value was widely underestimated.

tjmakz wrote:

celtic fan wrote:I've read that the Lakers were mostly concerned with how much they were going to pay the coach as opposed to who was the best coach they could hire... personally as a Celtics fan I love it. Adleman or Brown won't be bringing the Lakers back to the finals IMO.

Money was not a factor in finding the right coach. They were willing to pay what was standard for NBA coaches. They are supposedly paying Brown $4.5m per year. If Doc re-signed for $5.5m/year, I would say what LA offered Brown is fair.

Many on this board mocked Spolestra and wondered how long it would be before Riley took over as coach.
Well, Spolestra has Miami on the verge of being in the Finals. Is he a better coach then Mike Brown? I don't think so.
To think that LA won't be to the Finals with Adelman or Brown as their coach is nonsense.

I'll keep that in mind next year during the playoffs as Lakers fans are bemoaning either coaches's short comings.

Adleman has had numerous very good teams and has proven he can't do much to get them over the hump. Mike Brown is still an unknown as he had a superstar talent like LeBron to hide any possible shortcomings, but the Cavs rather unimanginative offense makes me believe Kobe will be doing a lot of bailing out with the clock winding down next year in big games.

This is great news. Mike Brown is a bumbling idiot. Will love to watch Doc outsmart and out coach him over and over next season.

Besides Doc, Phil and Popovich, what other "top" coaches are there?
Did Jerry Sloan ever get his team over the hump? No.
Did George Karl? No.
Either of the Van Gundy's? No.
Mike Fratello? No.
Hubie Brwon? No.

Who was the second best player that Mike Brown ever coached after LeBron?

For you to think that you know how Mike Brown will do as a coach is being closed-minded on your part.

tjmakz wrote:Besides Doc, Phil and Popovich, what other "top" coaches are there?
Did Jerry Sloan ever get his team over the hump? No.
Did George Karl? No.
Either of the Van Gundy's? No.
Mike Fratello? No.
Hubie Brwon? No.

Who was the second best player that Mike Brown ever coached after LeBron?

For you to think that you know how Mike Brown will do as a coach is being closed-minded on your part.

no, it's called having an opinion. I'm of the opinion that Brown is not a good all around coach. He's a solid defensive minded coach, but not so good at offense. I don't think he's a championship level coach. This is sustained by the record the Cavs attained in the regular season over the last 3 or so years vs how the Cavs flamed out of the playoffs. I attribute a lot of that to Mike Brown not making the proper adjustments in a series where coaching is even more emphasised than the regular season.

I think with Brown, the Lakers will still have a good regular season, but will ultimately be 'out coached' in a playoff series before the finals.

let's see if I'm on the $ or not in ohhh about 11 months.

Opinions are fine, but why just make stuff up that has no basis? You didn't answer what players besides LeBron did Mike Brown ever coach.

Was the reason LA lost this year because they were outcoached? No.
You way over emphasize coaching.
Talent wins championships.

Rudy Tomjanovic won 2 championships but I never thought of him as a great coach.

Doc is probably viewed as a great coach (and I don't disagree) but do you know what his career coaching record was before Ainge brought in KG and Ray? 39 games under .500. You can't win without top players.

tjmakz wrote:Besides Doc, Phil and Popovich, what other "top" coaches are there?
Did Jerry Sloan ever get his team over the hump? No.
Did George Karl? No.
Either of the Van Gundy's? No.
Mike Fratello? No.
Hubie Brwon? No.

Who was the second best player that Mike Brown ever coached after LeBron?

For you to think that you know how Mike Brown will do as a coach is being closed-minded on your part.

TJ,

Actually Hubie Brown won an ABA Championship in 1975 with the Kentucky Colonels.

Who was the second best player Mike Brown ever coached after LeBron? If nobody can come up with the answer, then maybe there's a reason for that. LeBron has overwhelming athleticism and talent, and probably didn't need much (and perhaps, in Mike Brown's defense, refused to accept much) coaching. Lesser players do need more coaching. If Mike Brown does end up in LA, I doubt he's going to be "coaching" Kobe much, nor anybody else on the starting unit (except perhaps Bynum). Players 7-12 will need some and the question being posed in this thread is "does Mike Brown have the skills and style to elevate those players". If nobody, including you, can name the second best player Mike Brown coached in the 5 years he was in Cleveland then Jerry Buss had better provide him with a bench of seasoned players who will operate on autopilot. So far, he's got Odom. Blake, to me, was a serious disappointment (in the interest of open and fair disclosure, I thought replacing Farmar with Blake was a mistake from the get-go). Barnes wasn't particularly impressive neither and has a rebel streak in him that needs taming, that's why he has bounced around the league a bit. Does Mike Brown have the backbone to put a leash on Barnes (and Artest)? Shannon Brown has talent, but is up and down. Caracter had a good summer league and pre-season. Except for Odom, that's a bunch of bench that will need coaching to be effective especially if Mike Brown implements an offensive playbook other than the triangle.

Your point about needing talent is well made. Cleveland had the best regular season record last year. I personally don't attribute that to great coaching by Mike Brown, more than offsetting his lack of talent. Byron Scott's a pretty good coach too and Cleveland still sucked this year despite having everybody back from season except you-know-who. Do you think Cleveland would have done better this year if they hadn't fired Mike Brown?


bob

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tjmakz wrote:Opinions are fine, but why just make stuff up that has no basis? You didn't answer what players besides LeBron did Mike Brown ever coach.

Was the reason LA lost this year because they were outcoached? No.
You way over emphasize coaching.
Talent wins championships.

Rudy Tomjanovic won 2 championships but I never thought of him as a great coach.

Doc is probably viewed as a great coach (and I don't disagree) but do you know what his career coaching record was before Ainge brought in KG and Ray? 39 games under .500. You can't win without top players.

I don't have to answer what players, 66 wins is 66 wins and not making the finals after 66 wins is more a statement about a coaches inability to adapt over a series than the players... baring injury of course.

and no you can't win without top players, but to assume any old coach can coach a bunch of good/great players and win a title is presumptuous as well. You have to be able to handle the egos and motivate them in ways mediocre coaches just can't do it.

again we'll finish this discussion in 11 or so months

Is he going to take over the triangle or implement his own offense?

What do we EXPECT TJ to come here and say......his team made a mistake?

I would take Brian Shaw - with years of loyalty and understanding of the triangle over Mike Brown any day...but in the end i could not care less.

If LA really thought Shaw would be the best coach, don't you think they would have offered him the job?

I guess guys on this board know better then the Lakers ownership and management.

If LeBron wouldn't have given up on his team last year Cleveland might have won a title.

kleen, I get on LA for the things they do wrong. I'm not a one trick pony.
If Doc was a sub-par NBA coach before KG and Allen, why can't Brown be a championship coach? He has won the coach of the year already and will be coaching a very talented team.

I doubt LA will use the triangle offense. Why should they? I am happy that LA will have more of an defensive coach.

It's amazing that everyone missed the point about Cleveland. Under Mike Brown they went deep into the playoffs with a team of 2nd string talent players and LeBron.

tjmakz wrote:If Doc was a sub-par NBA coach before KG and Allen, why can't Brown be a championship coach?

Sub Par? You mean, like when he won "Coach Of The Year" in his first year in Orlando - with a MUCH inferior team compared to what Mike Brown worked with in Cleveland.

In his first year at the helm in Orlando he led a team predicted by most to finish near or at the bottom of the league that included four starters who were not drafted. Rivers guided the team to a playoff birth and for his efforts, Rivers was named the 1999-2000 NBA Coach-of-the-Year.



You come here day in and day out and talk smack about the Celtics - but as soon as someone voices an opinion on the Lakers, you cry about it?

kleen,

Do you know who won the coach of the year 7 years ago? Mike D'Antoni...enough said.
Doc never won more then 45 games in season before KG and Allen.

tjmakz wrote:If LA really thought Shaw would be the best coach, don't you think they would have offered him the job?

I guess guys on this board know better then the Lakers ownership and management.

If LeBron wouldn't have given up on his team last year Cleveland might have won a title.

kleen, I get on LA for the things they do wrong. I'm not a one trick pony.
If Doc was a sub-par NBA coach before KG and Allen, why can't Brown be a championship coach? He has won the coach of the year already and will be coaching a very talented team.

I doubt LA will use the triangle offense. Why should they? I am happy that LA will have more of an defensive coach.

It's amazing that everyone missed the point about Cleveland. Under Mike Brown they went deep into the playoffs with a team of 2nd string talent players and LeBron.

It's amazing that you missed my point. The Cavs didn't have 2nd string talent, they won 61/66/45/50/50 games each season Mike Brown was their coach. You can't win 60+ games in the regular season with just one good player and a bunch of scrubs. HOWEVER my point was that the was basically outcoached each year in the playoffs as they were a 2nd round out for 3 of those 5 years, made the conf finals once and the finals once. And in the Finals they were out coached and yes outclassed by the Spurs in a sweep. You'd like to think that a really good coach woulda found a way to win at least one game though right?

You make it sound like every time a team loses in the playoffs the losing coach was outcoached. Brown was not out-coached by Doc last year. Boston won because they played better.
Doc and Phil were not out-coached this year. They lost to better teams.

Sometimes sweeps happen and a coach can't "find a way to win at least one game". Not one player other then LeBron scored more then 16 points in a game in the Spurs/Cavs Finals. It's pretty hard to win games when your second highest scorer can't even get close to scoring 20 points in a game.

Hi,
First, here is something to add to the discussion.
Second, I don't think Mike Brown is a good coach. One of the arguments is if he were he wouldn't last long in LJ Cavs.
Now, on to Lakers. The team is loaded with talent and egos. IMO, PJ was one of the very few coaches who could manage all that. MB, on the other hand, is not.
Sure, if LAL manage to pull something similar to Mia, e.g. land D12 + 1 or 2 star role players, MB will look really good and they may even be king of the hill again.
To make long story short, I think LAL are a better team than their new coach.

AK

Think too much is placed on coaches anyway. Really comes down to the players making the reads and ajustments when something is taken away and they need to do it on the fly!

Personally coaches ie (managers in baseball) and football can have a lot more effect on their sports than an NBA coach can IMHO.

Read somewhere (think the late Sparky Anderson said it) that a baseball team will win a third of it's games, and loose a third of it's games no matter what the manager does but the other third can be won or lost by the moves the manager makes.


beat

Doc is recognized as the best in game coach / end of quarter / game coach in the NBA. Over the course of the season, how many times did the Celtics win on a last second shot?

That alone puts Doc in the top 5. Add to that the point the players around the league WANT to play for him, and you can move him further up the list.

Doc has enhanced his reputation since coming to Boston. However, it seems mostly veterans appreciate his handling style and knowledge of the end game and end of halves & quarters situations. Younger players want the glitz of Hollywood or South Beach where movies and the hip hop scene flourish. Boston can offer the franchise's reputation & prestige of being a Celtic, but a younger player largely doesn't care. He wants the year-round spotlight of endorsements, films, and music videos. It's also very cold weather-wise in Boston late Fall through early Spring. These are things Doc, Wyc or even Ainge can't counteract. Look at Shaq for example, he did movies and had rap recordings during his Florida and California stays with the 2 Florida teams and the Lakers. Now he's older and wiser, but he's also used up and has nothing left to give. Remember how Bob McAdoo, Dominique Wilkins, and Artis Gilmore were mere shells of themselves playing the 18th hole of their career when the Celtics finally managed to land those guys