CAN WE BEAT GOLDEN STATE AT HOME......

Not live. Just on my puter..."Take it so hard" off one of his solo records. Think it's called straight talk.

I figure you got two kinds of people in the world. Jagger people and Richards people.

"two kinds of people ... " love it ! nothing against Mick, but count me as a Richards' person.

and, Can we beat Golden State at home ... God, let's hope so !!! (In the interim, i did particularly enjoy Denver's handing the Lakers a BIG loss !)

Michael in Denver

bigpyg

Another vote for Richards. We'll beat the Warriors and Orlando.
How did you like the rockets dismantling the lakes?

did not see the game, but i love to see all manner of losses befall the Lakers ... not all manner of injuries, we want them healthy - all in good time, jeb. in the meanwhile, you likely saw Kobe's self-contradictory quote about his groin injury and its effect on the Rockets' game ...

"While Bryant failed to use his groin to explain his poor shooting (”You know I don’t make excuses”) he did admit that a strained groin can affect “running, changing direction, pretty much everything,” adding that one simply had to find a way to fight through it."

and so there you have it, - no excuses, but by the way a strained groin can affect pretty much everything. ah well ...

Michael in Denver

big
and jeb

a strained groin can also affect your brain, when it's located where kobe's is.

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Beat

Ouch!

But for real groin and hammie injuries are bothersome. Lakes seem to be having a bad time of it.

What do yall reckon Doc is saying to the team. @#$%%%%$$##!!!

jeb

of course i was also assuming that kobe has a brain to begin with.

I guessing Doc is saying the same things he thinks about saying to Joey Crawford. Like where is a good place to eat? ect.

Realy though I doubt he screams and yells at um much, but I think he gets the point across. These guys are mostly vets and many have rings, they know what they "need' to do but might just need to be pushed a bit to do it.

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Beat

You think there is any chance Doc has lost their ear a little bit? He seems to me to be a smart smart guy who gets himself and his team into a funk now and then. But he always seems to get them out.

I'm not Bob but I play one on TV.
That would be Herb Caen................LACELTFAN
Oh...I see that Bob has beaten me to it...wouldn't be the first time.....

I think Doc isn't one to scream and holler very often so when he does...He get's their attention. I do think that he gave them a few choice words about their lack of D commitment....I hear that he is an inspirational speaker.

If doc doesnt scream at um a couple more poor efforts at home and the FANS might begin to give them an earfull!!

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You really think the Boston fans would do that?

Jeb

Fans pay a lot to be able to see them play. Losing is always a possibility and happens but a half effort is not acceptable. Too lazy to box out, not acceptable.
Our fans are very loyal and very supportive however they do have the right to expect an effort beyond what we have seen the last 2 games. AN effort for the entire 48 minutes.

beat

Despite the punch in the gut the Celtics have given me over the last two games, I predict victory and normalcy going forward. Yet, LAL seems to be experiencing the same thing. So much for them going 20-1.

I'm sticking with the stats. The only one they are really behind on to date is offensive rebounds, and if you aren't standing around the basket, you aren't going to get offensive rebounds. Plain and simply. I can almost live with that given the way we are set up.

With the rest of the stats, we are killing the competition. Time for a run, ladies and gentlemen. Doc is still tinkering. Much rather lose now than in June.

dbrown

Yeah we got to remember we also ran some good teams out of the gym. It is the same bunch of guys. We are goin to be fine.

I was just talking to a friend of mine who is a lifelong Warrior fan (poor bastard) and he pointed out to me that the Warriors might not even be able to field a legal team. He said (I have not verified this statement) that you need to have 8 players dressed on the bench for a game. It looks like GSW might just barely make the cut.

Biedrins, Turiaf are injured. Raja Bell just had an operation on his arm (typical Warrior deal. Trade for a guy who needs surgery). CJ Watson has been diagnosed with H1N1. 'Buike just had knee surgery. Brandon Wright has a shoulder problem and might miss the rest of the season.

That leaves Monta Ellis, Stephen Curry, Corey Maggette, Mikki Moore, Anthony Randolph, Anthony Morrow, brand-new Vlad the Impalee, Speedy Claxton (who has not played one single minute this season) and Devean George (who has not played one single minute yet this season).

That's a total of nine with only one that can even remotely be described as a center, Mikki Moore, and we know about him. 7' tall and plays smaller.

Nellie always liked "small ball". Well, it just doesn't get any smaller than this.

Thank God I only rent the Warriors.

bob

One thing I read said that there's no guarantee that Vlad would make it to Cleveland today in time for the game. Maybe they can sign the ball boy to a 10-day contract.

On top of everything else, Nellie is doing everything he can to get rid of Monta Ellis.

So, Stephan Curry, how do you like the NBA?

The Warriors new motto: "We make the Clippers look like a model franchise"

I watched the Warriors-Cavs game last night with a bunch of my Warrior fan buddies (you never heard so much "gallows humor" in all your life!). If there is such a thing as a moral victory in defeat, I think last night could fit the bill. They actually made the Cavs sweat.

1. The spread was 16, Cleveland only won by 6.
2. Mikki Moore was the starting center. 7' tall but plays much smaller.
3. Vlad made the game and actually looked good (is that me saying that?). Regardless, we needed every last man.
4. Small-ball GSW outrebounded the Cavs 37-34, beating them decisively on the offensive glass 12-7. A lesson we should be aware of for tonight.
5. Turiaf dressed for the game, but didn't play. That was just so they didn't default for having less than 8 players in uniform. Only 7 players actually played for the Warriors.


We Celtic fans bemoaned how undermanned we were when we lost KG, Powe and Scal last year. True and fair enough, but try to imagine if we lost our starting and backup center (Perk and Sheed for Biedrins and Turiaf), our starting 3 (Pierce for 'Buike), our backup 4 (Baby or Shelden, pick one, for Brandon Wright), our backup 1 due to H1N1 (House for CJ Watson) and our backup 3 (Daniels for Bell). That would leave us, a team with the best bench in the league, with a team of Rondo, Ray Allen, KG, Williams/Baby, JR, Hudson and Scal. How many games do you think we'd have won with those 7 players and those 7 players alone, and GSW doesn't have our bench to draw upon?

The Warriors will be tired tonight, I think, but they're a very young team. We have to play good perimeter defense because they are going to rain 3s on us all night long. We need to crush them early by going inside and maybe have their few remaining bigs pick up fouls. It'd be one of the strangest games I've seen in a while if the other team can't field a player bigger than 6'10" PF Randolph or 6'10" SF Vlad. It's one thing to experiment with a lineup, it's another thing altogether when that's the biggest team you can put on the court.

bob

well I see this board is about as negative as nybos.com Time to wake up everyone. The NBA season has a way of biting fans in the arse. Celtic fans were thinking of the best record in history (I know I was lol) Faker fans and pundits were saying they would be the best team in history, or was that the Cavs fans? LOL Well reality has set it and let me tell you, this is a long season, a grind, and it behooves all of us to keep this fact in mind. There is absolutely no reason right now why the Celtics won't be hanging banner #18 before the start of next season. This is a very good team, a team that will only get better with more playing time. Will they set a record for regular season victories? Who knows, Too early to tell. Who really cares as long as they win the last game of the year?

mulcogiseng wrote:well I see this board is about as negative as nybos.com Time to wake up everyone. The NBA season has a way of biting fans in the arse. Celtic fans were thinking of the best record in history (I know I was lol) Faker fans and pundits were saying they would be the best team in history, or was that the Cavs fans? LOL Well reality has set it and let me tell you, this is a long season, a grind, and it behooves all of us to keep this fact in mind. There is absolutely no reason right now why the Celtics won't be hanging banner #18 before the start of next season. This is a very good team, a team that will only get better with more playing time. Will they set a record for regular season victories? Who knows, Too early to tell. Who really cares as long as they win the last game of the year?

Mulcogiseng,

As an outsider who isn't a Celtic fan, I have a quite different impression of what people here have been saying. To go from dominating the first five games to losing three out of five, including two at home, should make any fan wonder what's going on. Of course the season has ups and downs, but to go from beating the Bulls and 76ers by 30 to losing a back-to-back to Atlanta and the Pacers will generate a "what's going on here" response. But if you read the threads that appear to be doom and gloom, you'll find that people are venting their frustration but still fervently believe this is temporary and that the Celtics will battle for the title.

The whole reason I like this board and this group of posters is that they have intelligent, thoughtful discussions about all aspects of basketball and their team. When the team plays poorly, they analyze the games and have great discussions figuring out what's wrong and how to fix it. I wouldn't be here if all people said was, "Celtics rule, Lakers suck, let's win no. 18."

I'd like to look at a couple of your comments to illustrate what I mean. "There is absolutely no reason right now why the Celtics won't be hanging banner #18 before the start of next season." I think Celtic fans here consider them favorites to win but recognize that there are actually lots of reasons -- injuries, KG's recovery, and several other very good teams -- that make winning the title uncertain. Many interesting discussions come out of analyzing advantages and disadvantages the Celtics have. If you take the approach that the title is already won, you won't have those discussions.

"Will they set a record for regular season victories? Who knows, Too early to tell." Thankfully, I don't remember much discussion here, if any, about the Celtics (or Lakers or anyone else) breaking the record. Sheed made his statement before the season about it, but I think people here on this forum realize how unlikely it is and that it's fool's gold anyway. Yes, breaking the record is still a possibility mathematically, but the Celtics lost their third game in the eleventh game of the season (8-3). When the Bulls set the record, they didn't lose their third game until game 26, and they got to 41-3 before losing their fourth game. It's a ridiculous goal to go 73-9, which is what it would take to break the record. The Celts would have to go 65-6 the rest of the way.

I don't mean to pick on you. You're obviously a loyal fan, and that's great, and you have every right to express your support for the Celts. But I think you're missing the value of this board if all you want to see is other people expressing their loyalty to the team.

Outside

Criticism and critical posts are fine and actually productive when they are written in a balanced and measured way – but some of the same people that were ready to award the banner to the Celtics after the first week of the season, are now out here acting like the sky is falling.

There is nothing more annoying to me to hear someone talk about how great Bill Belichick is one day, on the way to the store to buy some stupid “In Bill We Trust” shirt – and then when he makes a difficult call a month later, they are all over talk radio throwing him under the bus.

This is Sam the Moderator talking now. Let's hope the Celtics get back on track in not only tonight's game but those that follow. And let's realize that where we often get into difficulty in relating to others on the board is when we morph from analysis of the present and the immediate past into the arena of projections of those periods onto future implications.

A few poor games suggest no more about the future than a few earlier great games. My suggestion is to try to take our cues from the players as to implications we attach to a given game or series of games. The players make it a practice not to get too high over wins (except championship victories) or too low over losses (hopefully even championship losses). It's a good model to follow.

Take the Scarlett O'Hara approach. "Tomorrow IS another day."

Sam

Well,I don't wear the shirt,always been a believer and still am,BUT,that was NOT a difficult call.Even a great coach can make a stupifying call--and that was one for the ages--you punt the ball,rely on the D,if it doesn't work out--you get on the plane and go home.
Don't confuse justified criticism with "throwing him under the bus"---the ramifications of not getting the first down are too large--that was a no-brainer.And yes,I'd say the same thing if we got it.
sorry for the treadjack---back to Golden State.

It may be past the point of anyone caring, but if you want to start a new thread about the Belichick decision – I am up for it.

The coach’s decision was absolutely NOT a no brainer. In fact, the statistics (which we all should know by now is how Bill Belichick thinks and makes decisions) show that he made the right call.

Teams that have 4th and 2 pick up first downs 60% of the time.

If they punted, even if it was a good punt – would have put the Colts 70 to 75 yards away. From the distance with that much time in the game and with their offensive rating – they are likely to score 70% of the time.

So based on the numbers, the Patriots had a better chance of going for it –then punting it away to a great offense and letting a tired and reeling defense try and stop them. The numbers don’t lie, he made the RIGHT CALL….the only thing stupefying is that fact that most NFL coaches would automatically punt, even thought they are putting their team at a statistical disadvantage by doing so.

If someone wants to start a thread about that call, we're certainly discussing enough basketball to justify a little "vacation." I wouldn't personally participate because I felt Indy would probably score either way and going for it was the best chance to forestall that possibility. (I'm not at all convinced Pruitt didn't make it.) If anything, I might have criticized not being prepared with a play after they received the earlier kickoff—and having to take a timeout—which, in turn prevented them from being able to call for a review of the Pruitt play.

But, if anyone wants to start a thread on it at this rather stale juncture, don't be afraid of being accused of getting off subject.

Sam