TRADE DEADLINE - RUNNING POST OF NEWS - AND DISCUSSIONS/COMMENTS

Aside from the slimmest of possibilities that Danny might have concluded a trade that's not yet announced, I believe the Celtics currently have 13 players on the roster, including Williams whom they could easily shed if desired (although I actually hope he'll help them). Those 13 include Sully and Rondo, who are obviously out for the season.

By my count, they're left with two (or three if they needed another) vacant slots. I expect Danny will be looking at the waiver wire after trade day as well as at the DL and possibly overseas to fiind a big who could make a bigger impact than Collins did.

Collins was essentially a place-holder about whom Doc said, a while ago, that good things happened when Jason was on the floor. I don't believe that has since held true—at least not enough to have any demonstrable positive impact on the Celtics' fortunes.

I'm hopeful that Danny will be able to locate some big who will have one major strength (running the floor, posting up, defending, rebounding, whatever) and can make an impact in that area.

We'll see.

Go Celtics!

Sam

This is confusing as heck. Now Wilcox and Bass are KG's backup??? Melo?????
Come on. I know he wasn't an all star, but Collins did what they asked of him here and filled the middle when needed. at times. No superstar, I do not understand.

So Washington will waive Barbosa? Are the Celtics still on the hook for his rehab? Resign next year? Not that this is important, just a question I have.

TJ you are right, something else is brewing. Do they know about another player being cut before March 1?

Danny has left us all puzzled.

Comcast has a 1 1/2 hr special tonight on the "trade deadline". Maybe we will hear more then

Rosalie

Before anyone goes off on Crawford just remember he played for how many coaches under what type of bad conditions in Washington.

Give him 15 games under Doc's system and then comment.

112288

Barbosa becomes a free agent and can be resigned per WEEI & Sports Hub.

There is no direction to what Danny is doing. Yes we do not know what he knows but I hope it is not ownership just trying to fill seats until April.

Summer will tell the tale on the next direction. If Pierce is still here next year at $15M....you can write next season off and look to 2015. We will have no cap room to add to weaknesses in other positions.

112288

Who is Jordan Crawford and what is he good at?

sounds like the song"War"...what is it good for absolutely nothing...say it again"

based on the shot chart he should be prohibited from taking any shots except in the area where he has gone 19 for 29 65.52%

If I'm an opposing coach I'm telling my players to force Crawford to shoot from the left. Is this a done deal?

worcester wrote:Who is Jordan Crawford and what is he good at?

Crawford is another hybrid pg/sg.
He is mainly a sg but has learned to play some pg.
He is a very talented scorer, not a very good shooter.

In a few days, Boston has now acquired the Nets 2009 and 2010 1st round picks.
(As a coincidence they previously acquired the Nets 2011 1st round pick in the JJJ/Brooks trade. Kind of weird.)

I have two questions about the Crawford for Barbosa/Collins trade.
Why would Boston let Collins go?
Why would Washington want Collins?

And a third question TJ - who are the Celts going to be getting as a backup center? We went from small to tiny with this trade if it did indeed happen.

It's after 3; do you know where your Celtics are?

Nothing big happened; no surprise. Rondo is going nowhere, except possibly the rafters one day long down the road. Pierce and KG are fan favorites and still here, so that's OK, although keeping them this long is going to hurt us big in the near-term future.

One very good minor swap for us however.

We need scoring badly and Crawford can help supply that very well. All it cost us was an injured guard and an easily replaceable center. Look for Danny to sign another big to slot behind Wilcox who should get more minutes in relief of KG.

Back to the last month or so of the regular basketball season and the start of spring training games...

This looks like a case of 'do no harm'

DA will probably add a big and that will be it for this year

It immediately crossed my mind that Collins might be waived and resigned by us. But then I remembered that they put in a rule about that after the Payton trade, waive and resign. Pardon my ignorance but what is that rule?

atcross wrote:It immediately crossed my mind that Collins might be waived and resigned by us. But then I remembered that they put in a rule about that after the Payton trade, waive and resign. Pardon my ignorance but what is that rule?

You are correct -- the NBA collective bargaining agreement has a provision that prevents the Celtics from re-signing Collins if the Wizards waive him. Essentially, if the Wizards waive him, any team except the Celtics can sign him.

From a summary by collective bargaining agreement and salary cap guru Larry Coon:

If a player is traded and subsequently waived by his new team, he cannot re-sign with his original team for one year following the trade or until July 1 after the last season of the player's contract, whichever is earlier.

Who benefits? The tighter salary-matching rules in the 2005 agreement often required the addition of ballast (extra players thrown in for salary matching purposes) to make a trade legal. These players were often unwanted and unneeded once the trade was complete, and were waived soon after the trade was consummated -- often finding their way back to the team that traded them after a short vacation. For example, the Cavs sent Zydrunas Ilgauskas to the Wizards as part of their 2010 trade for Antawn Jamison. The Wizards waived him a week later, and he subsequently re-signed with the Cavs for the remainder of the season.

The relaxation of trade rules should reduce -- but not eliminate -- the need for trade ballast. When it does occur, this rule change will prevent the team from reacquiring the player in the same season. This is a mixed blessing. On one hand, it will eliminate these wink-wink deals where players are traded with the full expectation of returning later. On the other hand, it might create a situation where an able-bodied player is unable to work in the league, because the only team that has an available roster spot and is willing to sign him is prevented from signing him.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/CBA-111128/how-new-nba-deal-compares-last-one

ONLY WAY TO VIEW TODAY IS BY ASKING THE QUESTION...IS THE GLASS HALF EMPTY OR IS IT HALF FULL?

On the glass half - full Danny did the right thing by not touching and trading any of the Core Young(er) Celtics. We'll include: Rondo, Bradley, Sully, Lee, Green, and maybe Melo. We can add Crawford to that list as well or use him as part of a larger trade in the future.

We have assets on our books for a few years that could be used as part of a larger trade/sign and trade including: Bass, and the Jet. I am sure Wilcox will be resigned next year for what his price is (cheap) so you can throw him in as an asset.

The glass half empty - We still have Paul Pierce on the books and a $15M salary next year which could be used (Cap Space) for acquiring younger free agents. OK I get that we can buy him out for $4-$5million, but here is the problem with that.

1) If we buy him out, we just wasted $4-$5 million that could have been used as part of the cap space amount ($15million).

2) If we do buy him out we have no assets (Players, Draft Picks) that could have been acquired if we traded him now. The value of having assets is that it facilitates other deals in the future to help make that one trade for that impact player we may be seeking. That is how Danny was able to make the Allen/Garnett deal ....he had assets.

3) We are also 1 more year behind in the retooling process. Even if Pierce is not signed.......we have lost time.

If we keep Pierce and pay him .....forget about making any kind of playoff splash let alone a playoff spot. Teams in our conference are getting younger and better and next year is no given that we make the 8th seed. We will have no available cap money to acquire any needed free agents for positions we are weak in...i.e. back up center, power forward, shooting guard, back up point guard.

Many may argue that we owe Pierce the benefit of retiring a Celtic. From a sentimental point of view...yes. From a business point of view (especially with the new cap rules and penalties) NO. Here's why.

1) As a fan I do not want to go back to the bad old days and wait 22 years for a good club and Banner #18. I am sure I am in the majority with other fans on this issue.
2) Losing will not fill seats in TD GARDEN, which then threatens revenue for the Celtics and weakens them financially. Unless they want to go into their own pockets, they may in the future be unable to afford a KG, a PP.
3) Paul was VERY WELL PAID and treated with the up most respect by the Celtic organization, and management will bestow the greatest honor by retiring his number to the rafters. That's as much as a Player can expect to receive.
4) We also have to be fair to the younger Celtics who are looking for the chance of winning a title as a Celtic. Is it fair to assemble a weak team for the rest of the team that has no chance of making it out of the first round let alone making the playoffs? I think that would be selfish.

Garnett should have been dealt as well for assets, however I think KG will retire this summer and walk away. This will not hurt the Celtics and will add cap room.

Long day...........and even a longer journey to next summer....draft day and free agency.

112288

So Bob, is there any chance that they will cut Jason Collins?

So, looking back to the original big three, and the Celtics not really trading any of them while they still had max value, I have mixed feelings of what to do with the veterans on this team who have put their heart and soul into the team. They played hurt and gave it their all.

However, one of the differences in the Celts and the Lakers during the late 80s ,early 90s, is that the Lakers did trade some of their key pieces to be in the position to sign Shag, and a few others we didn't. So, from a business standpoint, it seems that Lakers looked long term verses loyalty. To this day I feel we did the "right" thing based on what our guys gave to the organization, but..........we would have been in better shape had we parted with some of them earlier, and of course never entertained Pitino coming on board. What a disaster he was.

Tough call. I am so glad I didn't have to make the decision back then, and now.


Pete

I know that there are people here that are adamant that the Celtics should have made some of those trades that were floating out there in the news.

I watched Tom Heinsohn last night and then again tonight. He was adamant that he was proud that Danny did not make any of the rumored
trades. His comments brought us back to Red Auerbach. Red was fiercely loyal to his players, and I know Danny criticized the way he handled the last years of Bird, McHale and Parish, saying that he would have blown it all up if it were up to him.

When the decision was his to make however, Danny finally realized what Red felt back then. It isn't that easy to say goodbye to players who have carried you so far.

I, for one, am glad he stood pat. Really, I am sorry to see Collins go, he was a good guy for this team.

I know dboss will disagree with me, but.....

Rosalie

BobH,

I'm repeating (below) my earlier post that was along the same lines as yours, except that—in effect—-they have three roster spots available to them if they need it because of the 10-day contract. However, I think that the cap would be more of a problem than available roster slots.

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Aside from the slimmest of possibilities that Danny might have concluded a
trade that's not yet announced, I believe the Celtics currently have 13
players on the roster, including Williams whom they could easily shed if
desired (although I actually hope he'll help them). Those 13 include
Sully and Rondo, who are obviously out for the season.

By my count, they're left with two (or three if they needed another) vacant
slots. I expect Danny will be looking at the waiver wire after trade
day as well as at the DL and possibly overseas to fiind a big who could
make a bigger impact than Collins did.

Collins was essentially a place-holder about whom Doc said, a while ago, that good things happened
when Jason was on the floor. I don't believe that has since held
true—at least not enough to have any demonstrable positive impact on the
Celtics' fortunes.

I'm hopeful that Danny will be able to locate
some big who will have one major strength (running the floor, posting
up, defending, rebounding, whatever) and can make an impact in that area.

We'll see.

Go Celtics!

Sam

One of the things I think owners and GMs have to consider, along with all of the other variables, is fan loyalty. Trading PP at this point, after he has said repeatedly how much he wanted to retire a Celtic, would be a blow to the fans. And it's possible that he would have considered retiring instead, as he's intimated, and that diminishes his trade value. Also, I think you have to remember that DA and Doc want leaders who justify their paychecks with more than just stats. There are only so many franchise players out there and far fewer franchise leaders. Would Howard really replace everything that a KG brings to the Cs? Just putting stars on a team doesn't make a champion. But champions, even old ones, can put fans in seats. Ten years ago I would have traded PP in a heartbeat. Not today. Though I do wish he would pick up the dribble and pass out a little sooner. ;-)