POST GAME BROOKLYN

GAME STATS

SCORE – CELTICS - 93 /NETS - 101
REBOUNDS - CELTICS 37 /NETS 39.....Offensive - CELTICS 10 /NETS 9......Defensive - CELTICS 27 /NETS 30
POINTS IN THE PAINT - CELTICS 42 /NETS 36
FAST BREAK POINTS - CELTICS 7 / NETS 7
FG - CELTICS - 37/81 ( 45.7 %) NETS 34/74 (45.9 % )
3PM - CELTICS - 6/16 (37.5 %) NETS 8/19 ( 42.1 %)
FTM - CELTICS - 13/17 ( 76.5 %) NETS 25/28 ( 89.3 %)
TO - CELTICS 12 / NETS 12
ASSISTS - CELTICS 20 /NETS 19
STL - CELTICS 4 / NETS 8
BLK - CELTICS 2 / NETS 3
PF - CELTICS 21 / NETS 21
BENCH POINTS - CELTICS 36 / NETS 28
TOTAL TEAM TURNOVERS (Points off turnovers) – CELTICS 13 (20) /NETS 14 (16)

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Rapid Reaction: Nets 101, Celtics 93
April, 10, 2013
APR 10
10:39
PM ET
By Chris Forsberg | ESPNBoston.com
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The aftermath of Brandon Bass' poster dunk on Brook Lopez.
BOSTON -- Rapid reaction after the Brooklyn Nets defeated the Boston Celtics 101-93 on Wednesday night at TD Garden:

THE NITTY GRITTY
Deron Williams scored a game-high 29 points on 9-of-18 shooting to go along with 12 assists, while Brook Lopez added 21 points (and was a team-best plus-27 in plus/minus). Old friend Joe Johnson finished with 20 points, while Reggie Evans was his usual rebounding presence, grabbing a game-high 14 boards. Paul Pierce scored a team-high 23 points on 7-of-11 shooting with three rebounds, three assists and three turnovers over 32:44. He didn't get much help as Brandon Bass (10 points) started fast and quickly cooled, while Jeff Green was 4-of-17 shooting for 11 points.

TURNING POINT
The game got away from Boston over the final four minutes of the first half. The Celtics were up a point until the Nets embarked on a 15-3 run, connecting on six of seven attempts (with Lopez accounting for seven points). Boston missed four of its five shots during the run and turned the ball over twice. A Jerry Stackhouse free throw with 15 seconds to go in the second quarter had the Nets on top 53-41. Boston never got closer than eight the rest of the way.

BASS POSTERIZES LOPEZ
One of the few highlights for Boston: Bass put Lopez on poster in the first half. Coming off a little pick-and-roll on the right wing, Bass drove free to the hoop before Lopez shuffled over with help. It did little to detour Bass, who threw down a ferocious two-handed slam that left Lopez recoiling.

NOT-SO FREE THROWS
The Celtics went the entire first half without attempting a free throw and didn't get to the charity stripe until Paul Pierce drew a shooting foul with 8:22 to play in the third quarter. Pierce got to the line seven times in the frame, but Boston finished with just 17 attempts. The Nets were 25 of 28 overall at the stripe.

FOUL TROUBLE FOR BRADLEY
Avery Bradley spent much of the night in foul trouble. He picked up his first foul 52 seconds in and was on the bench less than three minutes later for his second whistle. Bradley played five second-quarter minutes before picking up his third foul. It took a mere 39 seconds for Bradley to get his fourth at the start of the third quarter (and he was quickly pulled from the game again). Bradley finished with two points and five fouls over 12:11 and wasn't able to help slow Williams.

SCOREBOARD WATCHING
It wasn't all bad news for Boston as Milwaukee fell in overtime in Orlando, keeping the Bucks three games back of the Celtics (and trimmings Boston's magic number to two to ensure no worse than the seventh seed). Meanwhile, the sixth-seeded Hawks throttled the 76ers, moving 2.5 games ahead of Boston.

TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES
Garnett picked up his team-leading eighth technical foul of the season late in the first half. That's two in two games since returning from left ankle inflammation for Garnett. The next closest player for Boston? Rehabbing Rajon Rondo at four. Doc Rivers does have seven techs on the year (trailing only Indiana's Frank Vogel among the league's coaches).

WHAT IT MEANS
The Nets continue to frustrate the Celtics, winning the season series by taking three of the four meetings this season. Rivers joked before the game that he hoped Williams would have another off night; It didn't happen. The Celtics play three of their final four regular-season games away from TD Garden and head out on a two-game road trip now with a Floridian back-to-back in Miami (Friday) and Orlando (Saturday). Boston wraps its home slate on Tuesday with a visit from potential playoff foe Indiana Pacers in a national TV battle.
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CSNE

Celtics no match for Nets in 101-93 loss

A.SHERROD BLAKLEY

BOSTON — For about five minutes, the Boston Celtics were a better team than the Brooklyn Nets.

But a poor finish to the first quarter would prove to be just the beginning of the Celtics' downfall as the Nets took control and never looked back in handing the C's a 101-93 loss.

Paul Pierce led the Celtics with 23 points.

The Boston Celtics came out knocking down a series of jumpers which is usually a good thing.

That early shooting success led to them relying too heavily on their perimeter game, and that on too many nights - like Wednesday night - spelled defeat.

No statistic tells how perimeter-dependent the Celtics were than their inability to get to the free throw line.

How bad was it?

The Celtics came into the game averaging 23.7 free throw attempts per game which ranked seventh in the NBA.

Boston's first free throw attempt did not come until the 8:22 mark of the third quarter. For the game, they finished 13-for-17 from the line.

To go that long without getting to the line against a team as good as Brooklyn, dug the C's a hole that proved too difficult to climb out of.

But the C's did fight back as they trimmed a 19-point deficit down to single digits only to allow the Nets to push it back to a comfortable double-digit cushion.

Boston closed out the game with a 7-0 run, but like most of their success on Wednesday it was too little too late for it to mean anything of significance.

The Celtics' efforts were hurt in part by early foul trouble of Avery Bradley who played just 12 minutes.

And his absence certainly helped Deron Williams dominate play.

Williams, who was horrible in Boston's Christmas Day win over the Nets, had a game-high 29 points and 12 assists in Brooklyn's win on Wednesday.
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NET LOSS: UP AND DOWN CELTICS LEFT IN THE DUST IN LOSS TO NETS
By Mike Petraglia

Deron Williams scored 29 points Brook Lopez added 21 as the Brooklyn Nets beat the Celtics, 101-93, Wednesday night at TD Garden. Paul Pierce had 23 to lead the Celtics, who fell to 40-38 on the season. In his second game back from an inflamed left ankle, Kevin Garnett rebounded from a 1-for-6 first half to finish with 11 points and eight rebounds in 28 minutes.

With the loss, the Celtics appear locked in for the seventh-seed and a first-round match up with the Knicks as the sixth-seed Hawks beat the Sixers in Philadelphia to move two games ahead of the Celtics in the loss column. With the Bucks’ loss in Orlando, Boston is still three games up in the loss column on eighth place Milwaukee. The Celtics and Bucks each have four games left.

The Nets improved to 46-32 and are all but locked in at the No. 4 seed heading into the playoffs.

In a game the Celtics showed little defensive intensity, the first quarter started out with great promise. The Celtics shot out to a 17-9 lead, highlighted by a dunk from Brandon Bass over Brook Lopez with six minutes left in the opening quarter. Brandon Bass led the Celtics with eight points in the first quarter but the Nets outscored the Celtics, 13-4, in the last six minutes of the quarter to take a 22-21 lead after 12 minutes. Boston finished the first quarter shooting just 9-of-23 from the field.

Boston’s defense in the second quarter was leaky, as the Nets made two-thirds of their shots from the floor, finishing the period 12-of-18. Williams had 11 of his 27 points in the quarter as the Nets took command of the game with a 53-43 halftime lead.

Another telling sign of how the Celtics were dominated on the inside was the lack of free throws. With Boston’s offensive generated almost exclusively from the perimeter, the Celtics didn’t get to the free throw line until 8:22 left in the third quarter, when Pierce hit a free throw to complete a 3-point play.

There were signs of life in the third quarter as Jeff Green drilled a three with 4:29 left to cut Brooklyn’s lead to 11, 68-57. Then, Shav Randolph drew a charge on Brook Lopez. After two Pierce free throws cut the lead under 10, Lopez hit a five-foot bank shot to stem the Boston tide.

Pierce’s three with 1:09 left drew Boston within 10, 77-67, but as was the case throughout, the Nets came right back and responded with a layup from Deron Williams to put Brooklyn back ahead by 12. Pierce finished the third quarter with 13 points as Boston entered the fourth down 79-69.

The Celtics trailed 89-77 when Green took the ball to the basket for a layup and was fouled. His free throw cut the deficit under 10 again, 89-80, with 7:15 left. The Celtics were within eight, 90-82, when Williams finally connected on a 3-pointer. He had missed his previous five attempts from long range. The three with 5:17 left put Brooklyn up, 93-82, and sent many in the crowd to the exits. The Williams basket also sparked a 11-0 run that put the game away.

The Celtics are off Thursday before hitting the road for games in Miami and Orlando Friday and Saturday nights. The Celtics conclude their regular season schedule next week with a home game against the Pacers next Tuesday and a road game in Toronto next Wednesday.

For more from Mike Petraglia and Ben Rohrbach from the Garden, visit the Celtics team page at weei.com/celtics.

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I am getting a real sickening feeling that this could be it for our great Celtic team. It seems that there has been a dramatic change in the Celtics play in the last 3 + weeks. They are not moving the ball with gusto as they did with Rondo going down. I cannot put my finger on it but there is a change. They seem as if they are not into it, sloppy play at times, at times no intensity.

I do not know how other viewed tonight's game, but even our big's looked small compared to Brooklyn. Perhaps getting rid of Collins was a mistake.

Bracing for the worst,,,,but hoping for the best....Go Celtics!

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Hi,
Perhaps they lost on purpose - to keep everyone wondering and keep themselves in 7th spot.

AK

I think we can all begin to see the reality of the situation - at least for this season. With Rondo, Sully, and Barbosa out - KG playing at less than 100% and a bunch of new players still learning the system, we can see the writing on the wall.

The Celtics certainly are capable of beating the Knicks or Pacers in the opening round. But that would take the kind of intensity they havent shown they can sustain - and would take a deep effort that would leave them exhausted and beat up for the second round.

However, I reject the idea that the current state of affairs, in any way spells a long term drought like we saw before 2008.

Rondo, Bradley, Lee, Bass, Sullinger, Green, Crawford, Williams and Randolph - make up a very strong, young core of players. If you add a true back up PG, a Center and a reliable rebounder or two - they are right back in the mix.

Lets enjoy the ride and maybe we will be surprised. Never underestimate the heart of a champion.

This was another Pathetic showing against a potential playoff opponent.

The Celtics did not shoot the ball very well particularly from 3 point ( 6/16 ) And they did not get to line enough. But the most disturbing aspect of the game was the defense. The Celtics were out of position all night long. Their big three torched us all night long.

DA decided to ride this horse until the horse drops dead. The Celtics have been very inconsistent all year long. Are we to assume that they will experience some sort of Epiphany once the playoff whistle blows? I do not think so.

An early exit in the playoffs is very likely. I think the age factor for both KG and PP combined with those 11 overtime games spells doom for this year.

After the season is over and we have not won anything (not even the Atlantic Division), reality is going to set in and perhaps a conclusion will be reached that we should have moved KG and PP when we had an opportunity to do so.

dboss

Trading PP and KG would be very very difficult. But it would have made sense if the team wants to be compoetitive deep into the future.

How would a team with this group look?

DeAndre Jordan (24)
Josh Smith (27)
Eric Bledsoe (23)
Jeff Green (26)
Avery Bradley (24)

Next year Rondo comes back and starts with and Sullinger and Bledsoe (a real PG) adds depth off the bench.

This is the opportunity that was missed by DA.

We could have completed a complete rebuild.

Dboss

dboss wrote:Trading PP and KG would be very very difficult. But it would have made sense if the team wants to be compoetitive deep into the future.

How would a team with this group look?

DeAndre Jordan (24)
Josh Smith (27)
Eric Bledsoe (23)
Jeff Green (26)
Avery Bradley (24)

Next year Rondo comes back and starts with and Sullinger and Bledsoe (a real PG) adds depth off the bench.

This is the opportunity that was missed by DA.

We could have completed a complete rebuild.

Dboss

Monday morning quarterbacking, with a shred of the actual facts being discussed.

1) KG was not going to approve this trade and he has a no trade contract. Makes no difference what DA said or did.

2) The Clippers front office was against the deal, and wanted the Celtics to accept players other than Bledsoe and Jordan. This is pretty common knowledge (http://nba.si.com/2013/02/16/kevin-garnett-trade-rumor-celtics-clippers-eric-bledsoe-deandre-jordan/)

3) Josh Smith for Paul Pierce was NEVER a real possibility (http://celticshub.com/2013/03/12/gorman-proposed-paul-pierce-for-josh-smith-trade-was-never-a-real-possibility/)

I know this is hard to watch...but trying to blame DA, completely absent of the facts is just poor form IMO.

That team would not be very good at all. Horrible offensive team. Couldn't shoot free throws. DA never had the opportunity for that team anyway.

Tardust

I disagree with your comment about being a Monday morning Qback. You might want to refrain from that or I could get banned from the board from the comments that I could make.

As far as the trade senarios goes the players that i mentioned are speculative but all of them were in fact mentioned. We do not know what really went on behind closed doors so the articles you have referenced ain't worth 2 dead flies. In other words they are not evidence that any of these deals could have been consumated.

I did not referenfce any articles for that reason but I could have.

here's one that indicates Boston nixed the deal on Josh Smith for Paul Pierce. Reason: DA did not want to give up a 1st round pick. Considering half of our 1st rounds picks drafted, giving up the pick would have put us out of our misery.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/08/report-celtics-were-closer-than-you-think-to-trading-paul-pierce/

Adrian Wojnarowski at Yahoo Sports.

Before the trade deadline passed, the Boston Celtics had one final choice to make on the franchise’s future: In a three-way deal that would’ve secured Josh Smith and surrendered Paul Pierce to Dallas, Atlanta wanted Boston’s first-round draft pick, too….

Dallas had constructed a package that included Jae Crowder, Brandan Wright and Dahntay Jones to Atlanta, with the Mavericks and Hawks exchanging positions in the 2013 NBA draft.

Nevertheless, Boston wouldn’t relent on the pick and the deal died on meeting-room grease boards in three cities.


The point that I am making here has little to do with the players that may have been available. The point is that DA has held onto these great players too long and in the end they will be gone and we will find it difficult to put a competitive team on the court.

With all the gushing and blushing over the so-call uptempo style that turns up now and then, the senario of the players mentioned would make the Celtics the most athletic team in the NBA because every single player can flat out run and wants to play uptemp basketball.

You would think that after DA and the Celtics got waxed over the Ray Allen fiasco he would have had the balls to make something happen this year. we had a deal last year for OJ Mayo and DA blew that one. In the end old ass Ray allen was broke down again in the playoffs and snubbed the Celtics offer to re-up.

If we had made the trade we would not have signed the very average scorer in Courtney Lee. One thing leads to another and a long chain of missed opportunities could take this team down. We are not a contender anymore and there is nothing on the immediate horizon that will change that.

It is a lot easier to make trades for quality than to sign them as free agents when you are up against a hard cap.

PP and KG and everyone else are not entitled to finish their careers in Boston. They are entitled to praise and getting their numbers retired but the love affair ends there.

dboss

dboss wrote:Tardust

I disagree with your comment about being a Monday morning Qback. You might want to refrain from that or I could get banned from the board from the comments that I could make.

As far as the trade senarios goes the players that i mentioned are speculative but all of them were in fact mentioned. We do not know what really went on behind closed doors so the articles you have referenced ain't worth 2 dead flies. In other words they are not evidence that any of these deals could have been consumated.

I did not referenfce any articles for that reason but I could have.

here's one that indicates Boston nixed the deal on Josh Smith for Paul Pierce. Reason: DA did not want to give up a 1st round pick. Considering half of our 1st rounds picks drafted, giving up the pick would have put us out of our misery.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/08/report-celtics-were-closer-than-you-think-to-trading-paul-pierce/

Adrian Wojnarowski at Yahoo Sports.

Before the trade deadline passed, the Boston Celtics had one final choice to make on the franchise’s future: In a three-way deal that would’ve secured Josh Smith and surrendered Paul Pierce to Dallas, Atlanta wanted Boston’s first-round draft pick, too….

Dallas had constructed a package that included Jae Crowder, Brandan Wright and Dahntay Jones to Atlanta, with the Mavericks and Hawks exchanging positions in the 2013 NBA draft.

Nevertheless, Boston wouldn’t relent on the pick and the deal died on meeting-room grease boards in three cities.


The point that I am making here has little to do with the players that may have been available. The point is that DA has held onto these great players too long and in the end they will be gone and we will find it difficult to put a competitive team on the court.

With all the gushing and blushing over the so-call uptempo style that turns up now and then, the senario of the players mentioned would make the Celtics the most athletic team in the NBA because every single player can flat out run and wants to play uptemp basketball.

You would think that after DA and the Celtics got waxed over the Ray Allen fiasco he would have had the balls to make something happen this year. we had a deal last year for OJ Mayo and DA blew that one. In the end old ass Ray allen was broke down again in the playoffs and snubbed the Celtics offer to re-up.

If we had made the trade we would not have signed the very average scorer in Courtney Lee. One thing leads to another and a long chain of missed opportunities could take this team down. We are not a contender anymore and there is nothing on the immediate horizon that will change that.

It is a lot easier to make trades for quality than to sign them as free agents when you are up against a hard cap.

PP and KG and everyone else are not entitled to finish their careers in Boston. They are entitled to praise and getting their numbers retired but the love affair ends there.

dboss

Dboss,
What are you talking about. I said nothing about a quarterback? Actually this was my only comment. "That team would not be very good at all. Horrible offensive team. Couldn't shoot free throws. DA never had the opportunity for that team anyway." You might want to refrain from threatening type comments until you get all your facts straight. You are not the only one that could make comments that might not be perceived well.

Tar

I believe he was talking to me....which is fine.

Even if all the deals that Dboss brings up were available as he described (which they clearly were not), it makes no difference now. That ship has sailed.

Considering how deep a love for this team we all have, it always strikes me as odd - how quickly some of us can turn on the team and start pointing fingers. Happens every year out here...and it is the prerogative of the poster in questino to do as he or she likes.


I just dont see the constructive benefit in such an exercise.

Quarterbacks? How can we discuss QB's without bringing up Tom Brady? Speaking of whom, I've been watching Bridget Moynihan the mother of his six year old son on Blue Bloods, Donny Wahlberg's excellent NYC police drama. Bridget was captain of her high school field hockey, basketball, and lacrosse teams. Imagine how genetically endowed their son is!

Tardust

my bad It was MrKleen09 i was respoonding to

Mrkleen09, I have not turuned on this team I love the Celtics and they freakin SUCK this year.

The problem with some fans like you is that if someone critiques what they see there is a problem.

You are not suppose to derive a benefit...It is not SSI

Please disagree with my comments but please do not make it seem like I should not say what is on my mind.

The team is in a free fall. They have played poorly all year long and it is the worst showing since the arrival of the big three. There are many reasons for this some of which does include the quality of the players that wear the Green. Some of it reflects the difficulty of integrating so many new players every year and certainly some of it was the result of losing your Allstar PG and an up and coming PF.

I think my comments about the RA issue are legit. i think my comments about trading PP and KG are legit.

It seems that some people cannot understand that trading players is the natural and customary way business is conducted in the NBA.

Holding on to players that cannot contribute to the future of the team through their play or through their value on the market is bad business.

dboss

W

I always liked Bridget and I really enjoy your light heated humor

dboss

dboss wrote:Tardust

my bad It was MrKleen09 i was respoonding to

Mrkleen09, I have not turuned on this team I love the Celtics and they freakin SUCK this year.

The problem with some fans like you is that if someone critiques what they see there is a problem.

You are not suppose to derive a benefit...It is not SSI

Please disagree with my comments but please do not make it seem like I should not say what is on my mind.

The team is in a free fall. They have played poorly all year long and it is the worst showing since the arrival of the big three. There are many reasons for this some of which does include the quality of the players that wear the Green. Some of it reflects the difficulty of integrating so many new players every year and certainly some of it was the result of losing your Allstar PG and an up and coming PF.

I think my comments about the RA issue are legit. i think my comments about trading PP and KG are legit.

It seems that some people cannot understand that trading players is the natural and customary way business is conducted in the NBA.

Holding on to players that cannot contribute to the future of the team through their play or through their value on the market is bad business.

dboss

I am sure you think you know better than Danny Ainge how to run an NBA team - sorry if I disagree.

The only thing we know for sure is that KG has a no trade clause - and said he would not agree to leave the Celtics. Not sure what part of that you dont understand, but there is no article you can link to that undoes that eventual truth.

Dboss,
That is fine. It just hit me wrong and I replied too quickly.

I guess I am in a minority. I still have expectations for this team. I guess you could call be a rabid fan. You never know when the rotation gets shortened and maybe something will just click with the ones playing. I know the last couple years no one expected what they got either. Of course it will run its course at some time, hopefully not this year.

TD

Tardust of course your'e right. The games still will be played and i hope that the team will find a way to rise above their current level of play.

dboss

So Kleen you diasagree with everything I said?

i do not think you are in the minority but that has little to do with the content of our posts

I have never Heard KG say he will not approve a trade from the Celtics. Did you make that up or was it another one of those articles that just must be true?

I have read that he has a no trade clause which does not mean that he cannot be traded. I also read an article that stated if PP was gone he would also agree to a move.

But all of that is speculation. I am not pretending to be a GM. I am a fan of the Celtics. I like a lot of things the team and management does and there are a lot of things that i do not like.

If you take issue with my comments I am sorry.

You want the truth and i want him traded.

dboss

dboss wrote:So Kleen you diasagree with everything I said?

I agree that the team is not in a good place right now. But that is pretty much all I agree with.

dboss wrote: I have never Heard KG say he will not approve a trade from the Celtics. Did you make that up or was it another one of those articles that just must be true?

From his own mouth good enough for you?

Reporter (at 1:32) Is there any circumstance or team with which you would consider dropping your no trade clause?"
KG: "No....if it is up to me, I live and die green all day"

dboss wrote: You want the truth and i want him traded.

That ship has sailed. Sorry you are not happy about it.

Kleen:

No it is not good enough for me....KG also said he did not want to come to the Celtics...do you remember that?

I am pretty certain that if DA wanted to trade him and he told KG sorry but I want to move you he would not have wanted to stay here. right?

So there is no absolute here...KG says a lot of things...but things change.

as far as the captain is concerned...i expect him to fall apart in the playoffs like he did last year. He's has taken a lot of pounding over the years and that has taken its' toll..He must play well for them to have a shot. I just do not think that he can...but i do expect a maximum effort from him.

The ship may have sailed but that is not the only ship waiting at the Dock.

If i thought we could win with PP and KG as mainstays this year after the injuries and other setbacks I would not even suggest trading them.

In my mind those two players cannot take us to the promise land this year given all the other issues with chemistry and injury. So my way of thinking is to begin the rebuild sooner rather than later because we lose flexibility.

Beleive it or not i have really enjoyed watching them this year but at the smae time i came to the conclusion that they just do not have it.

I am sure that you and Danny boy think the celtics can still win something this year. I respect those opinions but i disagree.

You can respond but this is my last post on this thread.

dboss

I think Danny did an injustice to KG. What do I mean, I think Danny sold KG a bill of goods to come back and did nothing to build a true title contender. Here is what I mean.

Danny had no TRUE backup point guard....none! Who Barbosa......?

Danny had no LEGIT backup center....none...Who Darko.........Darko was a crap shoot like all the other busts Danny brought in to play center....Shaq...old and hurt........JON.......looser and a quitter.......Rashed....don't get me started...a pure waste..........Steamer.....no NBA experience out of the D League.......played ok...but was not a game changer.

Danny on a prayer....got lucky on a Power Forward with Sullinger........but what if he proved to be a bust. Bass....a stater as power forward. The guy would be an ok bench player.........but starter?

Finally we had no sniper at the 3 point arch......the JET has been up and down and he really is not a 3 pt shooter..more mid range and slasher.

As far as I see it Danny built another EDSEL this year. He's got to change the majority of the personnel and start rebuilding.

Who I would like gone, you can start with ....Bass, Terry....Melo......Crawford.....Randolf ( nice guy but does not have the size nor body to be a backup center).........I need an animal at center!

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