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Post by dbrown4 Thu May 23, 2013 1:41 pm

Steve3344, I didn't know that. I'm such a tool for now knowing that! No wonder they were never showing his face!

Oh well, it was a good idea on paper!!
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Post by dbrown4 Thu May 23, 2013 1:41 pm

Steve3344, I didn't know that. I'm such a tool for now knowing that! No wonder they were never showing his face!

Oh well, it was a good idea on paper!!
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Post by mrkleen09 Thu May 23, 2013 1:47 pm

dbrown4 wrote:Frank Vogel and Larry are smart enough between them to realize what Game 1 was.

Vogel totally BOTCHED the end of that game last night. With 2.2 seconds left in OT - How in the world do you take Roy Hibbert, one of the best rim protectors in the NBA out?

Watching Miami cry about every call in a game where the refs finally called it fairly, was worth staying up late. James, Bosh, Wade - are such entitled pussies...it is disgusting. I think King Stern told the refs to play it down the middle for game one with the world watching. Expecting it to go back to the preferential treatment for the Heat on Friday.


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Post by dbrown4 Thu May 23, 2013 7:09 pm

mrkleen,

I thought it was justice to put PG on the line for 3 after DWade fouled him. IND just didn't play good D on the final play. They should have taken their guy off the ball and doubled LeBron. How hard is that to do? Especially with 2 seconds left. Giving up a layup was the last thing on everyone's list.

It wouldn't have mattered whether Hibbert was in there or not. LeBron would have never touched the ball. But I agree MIA was getting all the ALL the calls up to that point. But MIA is now under Jordan/CHI rules and they will continue to get the breaks...So What?, say Michael. Advantage MIA. IND is on their own to find theirs.

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Post by dbrown4 Fri May 24, 2013 7:59 pm

Tonight's game is pretty much THE game of the entire playoffs. It will determine single-handedly the fate of IND and MIA in its 48-minute evolution.

OK, maybe I'm exaggerating just a bit, but it pretty much is a must win for IND or this one will be over in 5.

I just want to see how both teams response to that great first game. It didn't turn out the way I wanted but it was still a great game.
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Post by dbrown4 Fri May 24, 2013 8:11 pm

I like Hibbert more and more. Very interested in his game tonight.
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Post by dbrown4 Fri May 24, 2013 8:51 pm

That's a pretty good start for IND.
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Post by dbrown4 Fri May 24, 2013 9:03 pm

Not a bad 1st quarter for IND. They made some stupid turnovers, but Hibbert looks good.
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Post by k_j_88 Fri May 24, 2013 10:14 pm

Lebron wants no part of Roy Hibbert, you can see it in his eyes.
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Post by dbrown4 Fri May 24, 2013 10:37 pm

I hope IND doesn't give I all back.
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Post by cowens/oldschool Fri May 24, 2013 10:39 pm

what a dunk past Lebron by Paul George!!!

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Post by dbrown4 Fri May 24, 2013 10:46 pm

LeBron is ridiculous.
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Post by dbrown4 Fri May 24, 2013 10:47 pm

But so is Paul George!
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Post by dbrown4 Fri May 24, 2013 11:03 pm

You just can't ever count IND out. They have nine lives.
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Post by dbrown4 Fri May 24, 2013 11:06 pm

I don't think IND has an answer for LeBron.
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Post by dbrown4 Fri May 24, 2013 11:11 pm

Big basket by West!!
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Post by dbrown4 Fri May 24, 2013 11:15 pm

Nice GH!!
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Post by dbrown4 Fri May 24, 2013 11:21 pm

Damn!! They may win this one!!!
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Post by dbrown4 Fri May 24, 2013 11:23 pm

That'll do it! Nice win IND!!
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Post by cowens/oldschool Fri May 24, 2013 11:27 pm

yeah baby!!!

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Post by dbrown4 Fri May 24, 2013 11:29 pm

I think IND may just have MIA's number. We'll see Sunday.
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Post by dbrown4 Sat May 25, 2013 12:12 am

It really does come down to Game 5. IND isn't winning Game 7 in MIA. It just doesn't happen anymore. If it's tied 2-2, they have to win 5 and 6. If they lose both 3 and 4 at home, it clearly over. If they win both 3 and 4, MIA is, to borrow a line from Full Metal Jacket, "in a world of shit!"

I'd like it if IND stays undefeated at home. Not likely, but one can hope.

IND appears to be a very loose, confident group.
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Post by k_j_88 Sat May 25, 2013 2:07 am

Indiana's style is taking effect, as expected.

LeBron and Wade have been affected noticeably; both are quite reluctant to go inside as often with Roy Hibbert lurking at the basket. This forces Miami to take outside shots. While Miami is a good shooting team, no team (sans Knicks) ever wants to be relegated to mere jumpshots.

At crucial moments of the game, LeBron was unable to finish at the rim as he is so accustomed to doing, even going so far as to commit two untimely turnovers. LeBron always wants the last shot, and if it's not a layup, there's at least a 50% chance he won't hit it.

I think Indiana (and mainly their coach) learned a great deal from their Game 1 defeat. Solid team play, relentless defense, and a healthy dose of Hibbert creates a matchup nightmare for Miami.

This isn't to say the series is over, because naturally Miami will respond. I can only hope that Indiana can survive the oncoming onslaught that we know will happen.
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Post by Berlin-T Sat May 25, 2013 6:23 am

It's amazing what can happen when you control the boards on both ends. But of course you have to have players and coaches who believe and practice that. Offensive rebounds are some of the most effective defensive plays existing. When you get an offensive board the opponent can't score and you have another chance to score yourself. Congratulations to Bird for putting together a team and coaching staff who know how to play old-school ball. If they take the next two in Indy it's all over.
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Post by dbrown4 Sat May 25, 2013 8:21 am

While there are only so many permutations of a 7 game series, the order of the wins and the impact of those wins is important in NBA basketball. History has shown that the winner of Game 1 typically has an 70%-80% chance of winning the series.

Clearly, this series should be 2-0 IND, but they screwed up Game 1 on the last play in OT. That's basketball. That's why we watch it and they play the game. And it is possible for a team to not win the first game of the series and then win the series. MIA just did that in the previous round. The math says, though, the odds are against you. That's what Vegas is all about.

Now, did you give MIA only a 20%-30% chance of winning last round's series because they lost Game 1? Of course not. I don't know what the revised number was but it wasn't 20%, not even close. Nor do I think the chances of IND winning the series now is only 20%. It depends on many factors, not just history. It's very subjective.

So we are at 1-1, with MIA wining Game 1 and IND winning Game 2. Now Game 3 and who wins it becomes very important, just as important it was tantamount that IND win Game 2, lest their chances of winning the series drop to 10%. If IND is going to begin to impose their will on MIA and prove they should have won Game 1, winning Game 3 at home becomes a must. Can they lose Game 3 and still win the series? Of course, but it becomes like the monster truck race where the large weight shifts from the back of the truck bed to the front and the puller eventually blows up their engine.

There will be a Game 5, and it will be either 2-2, 1-3 or 3-1. Larry Bird said somewhere that Game 5 was the most important game in the series. He also is a vocal opponent to the Finals 2-3-2 format because it puts Game 5 on the short team's court.

Berlin-T, I hope you are right about the next two games, but I think it is going to go to 2-2. But I really want what you want and that is to put MIA's back against the wall and send them to an unexpected early shameful exit and demise. But let's face it. LeBron is a beast and you might as well enjoy him while we have him in the league. DA would probably give his life to have LeBron in Boston if given the chance.

You make a great point about rebounding, in particular offensive rebounding. I'm guessing on the math, but an offensive rebound is worth somewhere slightly north or south of 1 point when you base it on possession or attempts. If you are averaging 50% from the floor and a basket is worth 2 points (actually slightly more than 2 since you have the 3 ball in play and you have to account for free throws, etc) each possession is worth 1 point. It baffles me that all teams don't crash the boards on offense. The Celtics were averse to doing this as they would always have 2-3+ people over half court each possession after they shot. They must have a very good reason for doing it, like our guys are too old/slow to get back on defense. Defensive rebounds are the same, as they start a possession.

But there is a balance. IND has it. We didn't have that this year. We need to find that balance either via the draft or through trades, etc. That's DA's job.

But you have to love IND's chances when they make MIA a jump shooting team. The next two games, if it is going to wind up 2-2 and for IND to impose will, pretty much must win Game 3. But we all would love 3-1 IND.

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