Silver: No Evidence Any NBA Has Ever Lost Single Game On Purpose
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Silver: No Evidence Any NBA Has Ever Lost Single Game On Purpose
Silver: No Evidence Any NBA Has Ever Lost Single Game On Purpose
Feb 16, 2014 12:02 PM EST
Adam Silver was asked on Saturday about his opinions on the NBA's perceived issue of tanking.
“There’s absolutely no evidence that any team in the NBA has ever lost a single game or certainly in any time that I’ve been in the league, on purpose,” he said. “What you’re referring to I think is rebuilding. And I’m not sure it’s just a function of the collective bargaining agreement. I think there’s a balance with any team of the need to look out to the future and at the same time put a competitive product on the floor.”
Via Gary Washburn/Boston Globe
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Feb 16, 2014 12:02 PM EST
Adam Silver was asked on Saturday about his opinions on the NBA's perceived issue of tanking.
“There’s absolutely no evidence that any team in the NBA has ever lost a single game or certainly in any time that I’ve been in the league, on purpose,” he said. “What you’re referring to I think is rebuilding. And I’m not sure it’s just a function of the collective bargaining agreement. I think there’s a balance with any team of the need to look out to the future and at the same time put a competitive product on the floor.”
Via Gary Washburn/Boston Globe
"What, me worry?"
bob
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bobheckler- Posts : 62620
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Re: Silver: No Evidence Any NBA Has Ever Lost Single Game On Purpose
Love when people speak in terms of absolutes. X NEVER HAPPENED in the NBA. Yeah, ok buddy.
mrkleen09- Posts : 3873
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Re: Silver: No Evidence Any NBA Has Ever Lost Single Game On Purpose
Just stating the obvious. Tanking is mediaspeak and fanspeak for "rebuilding." For those who dote on sensationalism.
Sam
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Re: Silver: No Evidence Any NBA Has Ever Lost Single Game On Purpose
Talk of tanking is for pundits and so-called "fans."
I don't think anyone at the professional, or any level for that matter, would intentionally lose games.
As to whether some GMs would condone it, who knows? I wouldn't rule it out, although it is unlikely.
KJ
I don't think anyone at the professional, or any level for that matter, would intentionally lose games.
As to whether some GMs would condone it, who knows? I wouldn't rule it out, although it is unlikely.
KJ
k_j_88- Posts : 4748
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Re: Silver: No Evidence Any NBA Has Ever Lost Single Game On Purpose
Depends on how you define "Lose on purpose." I don't think I've ever seen a team, for instance, miss makable shots intentionally to ensure a loss.
But the sight of a bad team laying down and dying is pretty common. Does lack of effort and indifference count as "losing on purpose"?
But the sight of a bad team laying down and dying is pretty common. Does lack of effort and indifference count as "losing on purpose"?
Sloopjohnb- Posts : 638
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Re: Silver: No Evidence Any NBA Has Ever Lost Single Game On Purpose
No evidence?
http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/9434966/for-boston-celtics-tanking-likely-necessary-never-easy
There's more to this article than just this, but this is the part about ML Carr discussing his role in a previous tanking effort.
gyso
Jackie MacMullan, ESPNBoston.com, Updated: June 29, 2013, 10:46 AM ET, wrote:The last time the Celtics did that was in 1996-97. M.L. Carr was the coach and general manager, coaxed into the dual role one year earlier by owner Paul Gaston, who paid him $1 million to replace Chris Ford on the bench and, as Carr described, "take one for the team."
According to Carr, Gaston made his objective for the 1996-97 season clear: Land Tim Duncan in the draft.
Thus, Carr's charge, with a roster that included Antoine Walker, David Wesley, Dana Barros, Dino Radja and Rick Fox, was to play hard -- and lose.
"It's so difficult," Carr said, "because it goes completely against your basketball DNA.
"Danny (Ainge) is absolutely doing the right thing for the Celtics franchise. But he's going to have a real tough road while they rebuild."
As GM, Carr made sure he didn't sign any expensive or overly talented free agents. Because he was his own coach, there was no backlash from the bench regarding his personnel decisions.
"I was bringing in guys like Nate Driggers and Brett Szabo," Carr said. "It was a joke. But the idea was not to make a move that would help us too much."
The hardest part, said Carr, was straddling the fine line between encouraging his team to play the game the right way but make sure they didn't win too much.
"I remember one game in particular, when David Wesley was hitting jump shots and 3-pointers all over the floor," Carr said. "I had to get him out of the game.
"He came over to me and said, 'Coach, what are you doing? I just hit four shots in a row.' I said, 'I know, David, but I'm experimenting.'
"I'll tell you, it was brutal. Those players were smart. They knew what we were doing.
"I told them, 'I won't be here a year from now. This is for your future. In the final analysis, you'll benefit from this.' But after a while, they didn't want to hear it."
Rick Fox, who captained that 1996-97 team, said slogging through that "incredibly painful" season was the most challenging time of his career.
"I knew right from the start it was going to be a different season," Fox said. "Our practices were like track meets. We just ran and ran and ran. After 6 years in the league I knew, 'We can't keep this up. We're going to get hurt.' I think we had 9 guys who had surgery that year."
Fox led the team with 15.4 points a game and struggled through a plantar fascia injury that, he said, "left my foot purple." He wanted desperately to be a leader to stem the negativity that consistently cropped up, so he played on.
"There was one game where I had like 30 points through three quarters," Fox recalled. "We got a lead and I was thinking, 'Finally, we're getting a win.' But then I had to sit down for seven minutes of the fourth quarter and watch it all slip away.
"It defied logic."
http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/9434966/for-boston-celtics-tanking-likely-necessary-never-easy
There's more to this article than just this, but this is the part about ML Carr discussing his role in a previous tanking effort.
gyso
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Re: Silver: No Evidence Any NBA Has Ever Lost Single Game On Purpose
The exception to prove the rule.
Sam
Sam
Re: Silver: No Evidence Any NBA Has Ever Lost Single Game On Purpose
Gyso,
I guess I was right to not rule it out.
KJ
I guess I was right to not rule it out.
KJ
k_j_88- Posts : 4748
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Re: Silver: No Evidence Any NBA Has Ever Lost Single Game On Purpose
Apparently, the Commissioner needs to pull his head out of the sand (or wherever he happens to have it inserted) and talk to his President of Basketball Operations and former NBA GM, because they are not on the same page.
Thorn: Form Of Tanking 'Definitely A Strategy' For Front Offices
Feb 19, 2014 1:23 PM EST
Rod Thorn acknowledges that losing games in order to have a higher draft pick is "definitely a strategy" for NBA front offices.
Thorn is the NBA's president of basketball operations.
"I don't look at it as tanking," Thorn told ESPN.com during an interview for TrueHoop TV at All-Star weekend in New Orleans. "I look at it as I don't want to be at this level here. I may have to get worse to be good. It's definitely a strategy and more and more teams are looking at it."
Thorn says "more and more teams are looking at" trading away players as a way to improve. "We're not very good right now," he says, explaining teams' thinking, "but in a couple years we're going to be pretty good if we get lucky in the draft."
Thorn is a former NBA general manger.
Adam Silver addressed tanking by saying "my understanding of tanking would be losing games on purpose. And there's absolutely no evidence that any team in the NBA has ever lost a single game, or certainly in any time that I've been in the league, on purpose. And, to me, what you're referring to I think is rebuilding."
Via Henry Abbott/ESPN
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Thorn: Form Of Tanking 'Definitely A Strategy' For Front Offices
Feb 19, 2014 1:23 PM EST
Rod Thorn acknowledges that losing games in order to have a higher draft pick is "definitely a strategy" for NBA front offices.
Thorn is the NBA's president of basketball operations.
"I don't look at it as tanking," Thorn told ESPN.com during an interview for TrueHoop TV at All-Star weekend in New Orleans. "I look at it as I don't want to be at this level here. I may have to get worse to be good. It's definitely a strategy and more and more teams are looking at it."
Thorn says "more and more teams are looking at" trading away players as a way to improve. "We're not very good right now," he says, explaining teams' thinking, "but in a couple years we're going to be pretty good if we get lucky in the draft."
Thorn is a former NBA general manger.
Adam Silver addressed tanking by saying "my understanding of tanking would be losing games on purpose. And there's absolutely no evidence that any team in the NBA has ever lost a single game, or certainly in any time that I've been in the league, on purpose. And, to me, what you're referring to I think is rebuilding."
Via Henry Abbott/ESPN
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