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Post by 112288 Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:30 pm

By Chris Forsberg | ESPNBoston.com

The morning after the trade deadline passed in February, the Boston Celtics convened for a morning shootaround at the Staples Center in Los Angeles. Captain Rajon Rondo, whose name had swirled in trade whispers, was asked whether he was happy to have the deadline in the rearview mirror.

Rondo shrugged and offered a tepid response. Even he knew that the passing of the trade deadline offered a mere four-month reprieve from speculation about his future.

Rajon Rondo will no doubt be watching the Celtics' NBA draft moves with great interest.
Sure enough, as Thursday's NBA draft approaches, there are whispers again about whether bidders will make a run at Boston's All-Star point guard.

Rondo is set to enter the final year of a five-year, $55 million extension he inked in October 2009. He'll make $12.9 million this season, but after taking a bit of a discount coming off his rookie pact, Rondo's real payday looms next summer when he'll become an unrestricted free agent.

You can understand why the rumors swirl; the Celtics have a difficult decision to make. If Rondo is one of the building blocks of their future, then they must be prepared to pay him big money -- likely more than $100 million over the next five seasons (though maybe they could get a slight discount for tossing in the no-trade clause that would slow the rumor mill in which Rondo has churned throughout his career).

The Celtics, coming off a 57-loss campaign in Brad Stevens' first season at the helm, are in the midst of a rebuilding process with an indeterminate finish line. Boston, having stockpiled assets since last summer when the core of the team was dismantled, is in position to accelerate the process. Alas, there is no definitive roadmap to returning to contender status.

Rondo has stressed that he wants to win and win now. He's also said that he's not content to just get back to the playoffs; he wants to compete for titles.

Celtics president of basketball operations Danny Ainge is most certainly efforting that process, but he must balance the need to build correctly, not quickly. The Celtics are sitting on a gold mine of draft picks, as many as 10 first-round selections over the next five drafts, including picks Nos. 6 and 17 in this year's event.

For Ainge, there's a value in utilizing these initial picks to create a low-cost, high-potential base of young players on rookie deals, while choosing his spot to trade the others to add more established talent.


What approach should the Celtics take on draft night?

 23%
Keep picks 6 and 17
 14%
Draft Joel Embiid, even if it means making a trade to move up
 44%
Trade for Kevin Love
 2%
Trade for a different veteran
 17%
Trade Rajon Rondo and start from scratch
 (Total votes: 21,340)

Many Boston fans -- and maybe Rondo, too -- would like to see the team move now to secure Kevin Love. But Ainge shouldn't mortgage the future to simply land the first available star. There will be other opportunities if this one passes, including if Love joins Rondo on the free-agent market next summer.

There's a belief that, if the Celtics can't land Love now, the team ought to trade Rondo. It's fair logic. If the Celtics envision another lean rebuilding year with a focus on developing younger players, then that might further entice Rondo to examine other potential suitors when he's on the open market next summer. The Celtics run the risk of losing him for no compensation -- though options exist to prevent that -- so the team must at least think a little longer about any proposals that land on Ainge's desk between now and February's trade deadline.

If the past is any indication, there will be plenty of calls. Rondo is simply going to have to deal with the persistent rumors until Boston's path is a bit more defined.

For his part, Rondo has often reiterated his aversion to change. He's quietly nudged Ainge to put the necessary talent around him here, as he did earlier this month when he noted, "I trust a lot in Danny. He's turned this thing around before. I have faith in him. I believe in Danny. I think we do need another big-time player. But that's all his job. He's working on that now, and I completely have faith in him."

Ultimately, it comes down to the faith the Celtics have in Rondo. Outside of the little blip when Rondo skipped the Sacramento trip in February, he was a good soldier last season while working his way back from ACL surgery. He was rewarded with the captain's crest upon his return in January, and team decision-makers repeatedly suggested he's the face of the future.

If Boston utilizes its draft picks Thursday, those selections might hint at its future path. If the team lands a young point guard -- say Oklahoma State's Marcus Smart at No. 6 -- it will do little to quell speculation about Rondo's future, but it doesn't necessarily tip the Celtics' hand (though having a backup plan isn't the worst thing).

In the end, there's no greater urgency to move Rondo if Boston fails to add established talent on draft night. That's still possible in free agency given Boston's other assets (trade exceptions, nonguaranteed contracts).

Even if Ainge determines that the best path to becoming a sustained contender is to draft and develop, then Rondo might still be persuaded to stick around by the big-picture possibilities here. Boston doesn't necessarily have to win now, it just needs to show Rondo that it can win soon.

Those who want to move Rondo, likely because of the looming price tag, should be reminded about how difficult it is to accumulate stars. Having one is often the key to getting more (which, in this day and age, is the key to contending). Rondo's presence is a reason that someone like Love might simply consider coming to Boston.

With Rondo on the roster -- and presumably healthier next season further removed from ACL repair -- there is always the opportunity to overachieve. Without him, things are a bit murkier.

Ultimately, as much as Rondo despises the rumor mill, the whispers spread for a reason. And it's typically a positive when other teams covet your players.

A real problem exists when no one wants any of your guys.


Chris Forsberg
Celtics reporter, ESPNBoston.com
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Post by dboss Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:34 pm

Chris Forsberg was hanging out with Bill Simmons and this is the result.

The timing is so obvious.

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Post by NYCelt Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:36 pm

"Where does Rondo fit in C's plans?"

How about...

Point Guard.
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Post by k_j_88 Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:08 pm

Just because you can do something does not mean you should do it.



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Post by Sam Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:26 pm

In nearly half a century of conducting polls and surveys, this may be the first time I've ever seen figures quoted without a source being mentioned.  I probably shouldn't be surprised, as I've frequently offered clients results up front for half price.

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Post by 112288 Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:43 pm

THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT......THIS COULD HAPPEN.  DRAFT SMART AND YOU ARE PAYING A FRACTION OF RONDO'S SALARY FOR THE NEAR FUTURE AND GETTING A PRETTY GOOD POINT GUARD.  ENOUGH TIME TO REBUILD COLLECT ASSETS AND OPENS CAP SPACE FOR OTHER FREE AGENT SIGNINGS.

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Post by Outside Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:53 am

NYCelt wrote:"Where does Rondo fit in C's plans?"

How about...

Point Guard.
Genius!
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Post by Sam Thu Jun 26, 2014 1:13 pm

112288,

Why is the salary part of things so frequently mentioned first in discussions of players?  Is that really the first consideration of basketball fans?

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Post by 112288 Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:14 pm

Sam,

Good question and 2 reasons.

First, most often then not team ownership will not pay the luxury tax unless they have a unique situation such as the 2008 Celtics where they are going after world championships with a high probability of achieving that. So as a fan I have learned to include salary as part of the discussion.

Second, I go with Reds theory of importance as it relates to position importance. Center - Power forward - Small forward - Point guard - Shooting guard is the pecking order of importance when building a team. You could swap Small forward and Point guard in the same conversation regarding importance and I would have no problem with that.

So, the Celtics have no superstar center and Small forward.  To land a top proven NBA player in both of those positions it will cost top or near max dollars. For the Celtics to become a championship contending team NOW we need to secure those two positions which as I said will cost max dollars. Trading Rondo allows us to bring in either through a trade or cap space relief a top player or players.  Therefore you are filling the 2 most important positions on the basketball court. If you draft Marcus Smart or Napier or whom ever as your point guard at low cost entry dollars, it allows you to fill 2 important positions -  Center and Small forward position.

Just remember the Celtics won a championship with a very raw and not so superstar Rondo as their point guard.  Why can we not repeat the process.

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Post by k_j_88 Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:17 pm

I do think Rondo's importance to that championship team is overlooked.


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Post by 112288 Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:21 pm

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Compare Rondo now to Rondo of 2008....night and day in comparison.

He had no outside shot, and he could not hit free throws.

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Post by worcester Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:31 pm

Rondo is indeed much more of a complete player and he's matured emotionally. Losing him would set us back, not advance us forward. I'd be shocked if Danny traded him or thought an untested college PG would be an adequate replacement. How can anyone forget the amazing performances Rondo put on in various playoff games. We were always well served by Rajon in big games.
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Post by 112288 Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:45 pm

Worcester,

Rondo was untested in 2008 and was made to look good because of Allen, KG and Pierce.

Besides, the Celtics have no cap room. 

The Celtics are in a catch 22 position. If you cannot fill both positions Center and Small Forward with superstars this year and you continue the rebuild..............you lose Rondo come next year with no compensation or very little if you trade him in February at the trade deadline. Most major equal compensation (players in trades) are not had in Feb. but are done now.

But by filling both Center and Small forward positions with max superstars you cannot afford Rondo's position at $12.5 million without major impact to the luxury tax and penalties which I do not think Danny and Wyc want to do.

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Post by worcester Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:53 pm

Rondo did a lot to make the big 3 look good as well.

Gyso, what's your cap room analysis for the 2014-15 Celts?
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Post by steve3344 Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:32 pm

112288 wrote:KJ

Compare Rondo now to Rondo of 2008....night and day in comparison.

He had no outside shot, and he could not hit free throws.

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He still can't hit free throws.  And oddly enough, his highest free throw percentage (64.7%) was his rookie year.  He has shot FT's worse his last 3 seasons combined (61.6%) than his first three seasons combined (63.4%).  And for someone who's been in the league for eight year that's very telling.  It ain't changing.  In fact it's getting slightly worse as he gets older.  Ugh.

Outside shot, however, HAS improved and he now can't be left wide open on his midrange jump shot as before, as he hits those fairly regularly now.

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Post by Sam Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:02 pm

Whether at the free throw line or from the field, his shooting (regardless of what percentages may be) doesn't inspire confidence.  We know (or at least have been told) that he works his tail off practicing shooting during the summer. After this many seasons, how much more improvement can we realistically expect?  I believe he's no better than an average halfcourt ball distributor and catalyst.  And yet, I find myself hoping he stays.  Maybe I'm getting as stubborn as he is.

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