Man someone who thinks they matter in Dallas, doesn't like Crowder much.
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Man someone who thinks they matter in Dallas, doesn't like Crowder much.
some wanna be sportswriter, who blogs (or whatever it is they do at SB nation?) doesn't like Crowder much. he even lies about his height 6-4? really dude?..maybe its time to try a real job.
anyhow, It a funny read if nothing else. seems to hate Crowder and feels he provides nothing much for the game, but on the other hand worth a $3M deal?
um....WHAT?
LOL..enjoy
http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2015/6/19/8805999/jae-crowder-free-agency-celtics-mavericks
Former Dallas Maverick Jae Crowder is a free agent and may become a sought out guy in a market that could become very lucrative for role players. With so many open roster spots, the Mavericks may have to consider making a run at a player they included in the Rajon Rondo trade.
When the Mavericks drafted Crowder, the SB Nation Dallas blog had this to say about him:
"I couldn't hate this pick more... You know what positive things analysts conjured up to say about this guy? He plays really hard. Wow... Jae Crowder cannot do anything at an NBA level. Not a thing... He's a point forward with no athleticism, an average set/jump shot and a shaky handle."
During his two plus seasons in Dallas, Crowder averaged a mere 4.6 points, 2.3 rebounds and 0.9 assists in 16 minutes per game. Think about those numbers, think about his time as a Maverick, and think about that brutal draft assessment. How are we to the point where Jae Crowder is a free agent worthy of targeting?
After being traded to Boston, he saw an increased role which led to greater production: in 24 minutes he scored 9.5 points while grabbing 4.6 boards. He also became a muse for many Bostonians. "Jae Crowder Might Be a Keeper for the Boston Celtics." "Jae Crowder Delivers on a Promise." "Jae Crowder is Becoming Indespensible." "Resigning Jae Crowder is a No Brainer."
Jae Crowder became a folk hero. All while managing to shoot an abhorrent 28 percent from beyond the arc.
I remain mystified as to how the guy drafted ahead of Draymond Green is somehow an asset worthy of pursuit. He is a "3 and D" player who can only play defense. He's also 6'4", not 6'7" like he's listed in some places. I'm not making this part up. I'm a hair over 6'2" and when I was within three feet of him at NBA Summer League I swear he was not more than two inches taller than I am.
It's one thing to get excited about marginal production when a team is paying him under a million dollars a year. But Crowder has managed to turn the notion of grit into actual dollar signs. Will his value remain when a team is paying him as much as five to seven times more? Crowder is at best a replacement level forward in the NBA. He's not awful, but he also doesn't do much that makes him a particularly desirable player.
Fit with the Mavericks
Here's the rub: Dallas doesn't have any guards signed. Dallas does have some forwards on the roster, but they're either injured (hey, Chandler Parsons), old (sorry, Dirk Nowitzki), or inexperienced (Dwight Powell, who spent most of his minutes in the D-League). So Jae Crowder, despite being objectively mediocre at basketball, could potentially fill a need.
He can play shooting guard and he can play small forward. While he dribbles the way I write (haphazardly, at best), he IS a really solid mover of the basketball. He passes quickly and makes the correct decision within an offensive set. There's real value there that can't be overlooked, even by me.
Crowder also played for Rick Carlisle. In fact, in my memory, he's the only young player outside of Rodrigue Beaubois to earn minutes quickly and stayed within the rotation. He fell out of it last year because Dallas had a lot of options at both guard and forward before he was sent to Boston. Understanding what it takes to play for a demanding coach like Carlisle is pretty important, particularly with the roster turnover.
Also, Bobby Karalla of Mavs Outsider SWEARS on Crowder's ability:
I'm not sure what this means because Twitter doesn't allow for context, but it's safe to say that Crowder does a few smaller things which have allowed him to stick it out in the NBA.
But for what Dallas is trying to build, Crowder simply is not a good fit. During his 60 games with Boston, his 28.2 percent 3-point percentage was just a hair higher than Al-Farouq Aminu's 27.4 percent from downtown with the Mavericks.. Within the current flow offensive system, Crowder could act as a detriment in a way a player like Aminu did not, simply because Aminu is a taller player and better rebounder.
Will Dallas pursue Jae? I wouldn't be shocked at a three year, $9 million offer. So much of Crowder's "value" is tied to how much he makes right now. Getting him at a slight raise would be nice, because as much as I don't care for him as a player, he's stuck around.
But a return to the Mavs is unlikely to happen. The Boston Celtics LOVE him. Their fans ADORE him (boy, do they hate me on Twitter when I point out some facts about his game). So, I suspect that by the time Dallas gets to rounding out the back half of its roster, Jae Crowder will be long signed.
anyhow, It a funny read if nothing else. seems to hate Crowder and feels he provides nothing much for the game, but on the other hand worth a $3M deal?
um....WHAT?
LOL..enjoy
http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2015/6/19/8805999/jae-crowder-free-agency-celtics-mavericks
Former Dallas Maverick Jae Crowder is a free agent and may become a sought out guy in a market that could become very lucrative for role players. With so many open roster spots, the Mavericks may have to consider making a run at a player they included in the Rajon Rondo trade.
When the Mavericks drafted Crowder, the SB Nation Dallas blog had this to say about him:
"I couldn't hate this pick more... You know what positive things analysts conjured up to say about this guy? He plays really hard. Wow... Jae Crowder cannot do anything at an NBA level. Not a thing... He's a point forward with no athleticism, an average set/jump shot and a shaky handle."
During his two plus seasons in Dallas, Crowder averaged a mere 4.6 points, 2.3 rebounds and 0.9 assists in 16 minutes per game. Think about those numbers, think about his time as a Maverick, and think about that brutal draft assessment. How are we to the point where Jae Crowder is a free agent worthy of targeting?
After being traded to Boston, he saw an increased role which led to greater production: in 24 minutes he scored 9.5 points while grabbing 4.6 boards. He also became a muse for many Bostonians. "Jae Crowder Might Be a Keeper for the Boston Celtics." "Jae Crowder Delivers on a Promise." "Jae Crowder is Becoming Indespensible." "Resigning Jae Crowder is a No Brainer."
Jae Crowder became a folk hero. All while managing to shoot an abhorrent 28 percent from beyond the arc.
I remain mystified as to how the guy drafted ahead of Draymond Green is somehow an asset worthy of pursuit. He is a "3 and D" player who can only play defense. He's also 6'4", not 6'7" like he's listed in some places. I'm not making this part up. I'm a hair over 6'2" and when I was within three feet of him at NBA Summer League I swear he was not more than two inches taller than I am.
It's one thing to get excited about marginal production when a team is paying him under a million dollars a year. But Crowder has managed to turn the notion of grit into actual dollar signs. Will his value remain when a team is paying him as much as five to seven times more? Crowder is at best a replacement level forward in the NBA. He's not awful, but he also doesn't do much that makes him a particularly desirable player.
Fit with the Mavericks
Here's the rub: Dallas doesn't have any guards signed. Dallas does have some forwards on the roster, but they're either injured (hey, Chandler Parsons), old (sorry, Dirk Nowitzki), or inexperienced (Dwight Powell, who spent most of his minutes in the D-League). So Jae Crowder, despite being objectively mediocre at basketball, could potentially fill a need.
He can play shooting guard and he can play small forward. While he dribbles the way I write (haphazardly, at best), he IS a really solid mover of the basketball. He passes quickly and makes the correct decision within an offensive set. There's real value there that can't be overlooked, even by me.
Crowder also played for Rick Carlisle. In fact, in my memory, he's the only young player outside of Rodrigue Beaubois to earn minutes quickly and stayed within the rotation. He fell out of it last year because Dallas had a lot of options at both guard and forward before he was sent to Boston. Understanding what it takes to play for a demanding coach like Carlisle is pretty important, particularly with the roster turnover.
Also, Bobby Karalla of Mavs Outsider SWEARS on Crowder's ability:
I'm not sure what this means because Twitter doesn't allow for context, but it's safe to say that Crowder does a few smaller things which have allowed him to stick it out in the NBA.
But for what Dallas is trying to build, Crowder simply is not a good fit. During his 60 games with Boston, his 28.2 percent 3-point percentage was just a hair higher than Al-Farouq Aminu's 27.4 percent from downtown with the Mavericks.. Within the current flow offensive system, Crowder could act as a detriment in a way a player like Aminu did not, simply because Aminu is a taller player and better rebounder.
Will Dallas pursue Jae? I wouldn't be shocked at a three year, $9 million offer. So much of Crowder's "value" is tied to how much he makes right now. Getting him at a slight raise would be nice, because as much as I don't care for him as a player, he's stuck around.
But a return to the Mavs is unlikely to happen. The Boston Celtics LOVE him. Their fans ADORE him (boy, do they hate me on Twitter when I point out some facts about his game). So, I suspect that by the time Dallas gets to rounding out the back half of its roster, Jae Crowder will be long signed.
kdp59- Posts : 5709
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Re: Man someone who thinks they matter in Dallas, doesn't like Crowder much.
Wow, a piece of selective writing that exemplifies all that's bad in alleged sports writing. First, he endorses some other bozo's draft time assessment that "Jae Crowder cannot do anything at the NBA level. Not a thing." Then he basically ignores the two most impressive things about Jae: his dramatically disruptive defensive ability ("He can only play defense" is not a positive statement) and his primary offensive strength—the ability to force his way to the hoop and finish strong (arguably representing one of the team's few truly constructively alternatives to a bombs away mentality with the clock running down.
Instead he twice harps on Jae's three-point shooting percentage. While the three is making inroads on its importance to NBA ball, it's not the only important factor. Jae had the highest two-point shooting percentage (50%) of any regular rotation Celtic who's not a big man. As one of his stauncher supporters, I've admitted that he isn't the perfect player. (The obligatory three point attempt soon after he enters the game drives me nuts). But I could make the argument that he comes closer to being perfect for what this team currently needs than any other single player now with the team.
Hey, numb-pelotas, did it ever occur to you that Jae's greatly improved offensive production after he reached the Celts was a function of being in a system where he fit better than in Dallas? Sometimes it's not always just about the player. It's about the player within the context of what he can add to the club.
Sam
Instead he twice harps on Jae's three-point shooting percentage. While the three is making inroads on its importance to NBA ball, it's not the only important factor. Jae had the highest two-point shooting percentage (50%) of any regular rotation Celtic who's not a big man. As one of his stauncher supporters, I've admitted that he isn't the perfect player. (The obligatory three point attempt soon after he enters the game drives me nuts). But I could make the argument that he comes closer to being perfect for what this team currently needs than any other single player now with the team.
Hey, numb-pelotas, did it ever occur to you that Jae's greatly improved offensive production after he reached the Celts was a function of being in a system where he fit better than in Dallas? Sometimes it's not always just about the player. It's about the player within the context of what he can add to the club.
Sam
Re: Man someone who thinks they matter in Dallas, doesn't like Crowder much.
Sam,
This is clearly a tale of Crowder being one man's/team's junk while becoming another man's/team's treasure.
Crowder also illustrates just how much that being in the "right situation" can make such a difference for an athlete. This is why I think that Upshaw will work in Boston, and that he needs to be picked as early as possible. Cousins will also work in Boston for the same reason.
I surely hope that he is back with us next year as he is the one guy who first showed this year that he had "it". "It" is what Rondo never produced (which frustrated me to no end) and the team did not turn around until after Crowder brought his "it" to the team. What a great trade --Crowder for Rondo even up-- never mind anything else that may have come to Boston with him! One of Ainge's best ever moves.
This is clearly a tale of Crowder being one man's/team's junk while becoming another man's/team's treasure.
Crowder also illustrates just how much that being in the "right situation" can make such a difference for an athlete. This is why I think that Upshaw will work in Boston, and that he needs to be picked as early as possible. Cousins will also work in Boston for the same reason.
I surely hope that he is back with us next year as he is the one guy who first showed this year that he had "it". "It" is what Rondo never produced (which frustrated me to no end) and the team did not turn around until after Crowder brought his "it" to the team. What a great trade --Crowder for Rondo even up-- never mind anything else that may have come to Boston with him! One of Ainge's best ever moves.
wide clyde- Posts : 815
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Re: Man someone who thinks they matter in Dallas, doesn't like Crowder much.
Clyde,
Even a Crowder fan like I have admit that I never saw it coming. But it took only two games to sink in.
I don't cae about MVPs and such. But I unequivocally believe that Crowder, more than any other Celtics exemplifies the the current "personality" of the team.
Sam
Even a Crowder fan like I have admit that I never saw it coming. But it took only two games to sink in.
I don't cae about MVPs and such. But I unequivocally believe that Crowder, more than any other Celtics exemplifies the the current "personality" of the team.
Sam
Re: Man someone who thinks they matter in Dallas, doesn't like Crowder much.
Sam, expecting that Dallas sportswriter to value or even comprehend context when assesing Jae's fit is way too much to ask.
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