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So What's the Plan?
by Sam Sat Jun 27, 2015 11:40 am
Far too often, for a basketball executive to act out of uncertainty (aka known as the draft) is akin to operating from a position of weakness. Seizing control of the team’s destiny (via free agency and trades) involves more of a position of strength. Spare me the Tim Duncan draft success stories. For every Tim Duncan-type success story, there are countless tales of draft letdowns (including Tim himself in the eyes of true Boston fans).
I don’t claim to know all the details of a path to the next Celtics championship, although I believe they’re more likely to relate to trades and free agency than to the draft. But I do know that, at the heart of that journey, it’s very much about the plan.
(Anology alert).
There are two basic approaches to using a computer keyboard. One is the “hunt-and-peck” system, which is not really systematic. It’s more of a default technique for people who have not mastered the far more fluid and efficient “touch” method. I feel this is an appropriate analogy for the situation in which the Celtics now find themselves.
In the wake of the recent draft, a large proportion of the comments I read are of the “hunt and peck” variety. “We should have taken this guy.” “How come we passed on so-and-so?” “We need a stud. We got a dud.” Such comments miss the point in terms of the direction of the Celtics. Ideally, the way good basketball teams are put together should be a function of a cohesive plan built around the team rather than a pastiche of individual playing resumes.
Therefore, it’s not surprising that a strong blueprint for the future represents the key to how well and how quickly the Green will return to prominence. What is the plan? What are the key elements of the plan? How will these elements fit together? How much sense does the plan make in terms of (1) maximizing performance on the court, (2) convincing potential player cornerstones of the future to sign on for the adventure, and (3) encouraging other teams to give the Celtics greater consideration as trading partners?
It really doesn’t matter whether there’s a catchy title for the plan. Moreover, it would be surprising if the plan, itself, didn’t continue to evolve—just as it was probably adjusted when the Celtics surprised even themselves with an unexpected burst of momentum last season. What I care about are the general components of the ongoing plan that will distinguish the Celtics from other teams. What’s Danny going to say when he’s sitting across from elite free players and their agents? Well, here are some possible points of emphasis.
You know how people are fond of inviting disagreement with their posts? Well I’m not! My ego is so fragile. Okay, disagree if you must. But please do so only in a foreign language.
Young Veteran Impact
The intent of the Boston Celtics as they move in the direction of championship contention is not to depend on untested young guys. Nor is it to bog the team down with relics of the past. They’re looking for good young talent—but talent that’s packaged within the potential to apply successful playing strategies instinctively, gain leadership ability, relish “go to” responsibilities, blend into a collective effort that is far more than the sum of its parts, put one another in positions to succeed, and maintain a “no quit” approach.
Dynamic Outlook
Last season provided a glimpse of the team’s intention to make its own luck through a combination of energy, effort, constant motion, toughness, opportunism, disruption, creativity, and teamwork. These are not simply objectives. They’re necessities in the Celtics system, and they must be embraced by future cornerstones of the team.
Defensive Backbone
Celtics history—especially their championship legacy—is liberally populated by great defensive players—some who were stars named Russell, Havlicek, D.J., KG, etc.; and others without star quality but with essential and consistent defensive contributions—guys with names such as Sanders, K.C, Silas, Maxwell, and Posey. One hallmark of great Celtics teams will always be tough defense; and it’s no coincidence that recent years—even the most recent draft—have seen the acquisition of strong defensive players by the Celtics. The most obvious missing defensive piece of late has been dominating defense in the middle; and the team is committed to solving that problem this summer. Free agent candidates should be convinced that they will not be expected to be saviors but will be extremely comfortable with the importance of their Boston roles.
Team Approach
It’s an unassailable fact that the Boston Celtics wrote the book on team basketball, and the team approach is an indelible element of what makes the Celtics tradition unique in the annals of the NBA. That doesn’t mean Celtics players aren’t encouraged to exercise their individualism in constructive ways. But it does mean that the Celtics of the future should always sensitive to the ways in which their individual roles fit within the team concept. The whole really should be more than the sum of its parts; and last season is just the latest proof of the power of that adage.
Coaching Superiority
The Celtics’ master strategist and player-oriented coach, Brad Stevens, is quietly but persistently forming his own coaching brand. Other teams are aware that Brad’s stamp on the career of a young player automatically identifies the player as someone who has a thorough understanding of the game, gets the very most out of his abilities, is completely immersed in lending his role to a team approach, and has no comprehension of the word “quit.” Brad is particularly adept at working with his assistant coaches to give each player every possible form of support and encouragement to be the best he can be. And the entire Celtics front office is noted throughout the league as completely absorbed with the importance of doing whatever’s necessary to win—another Celtic trademark throughout the decades.
Fan Support
Boston fans are notoriously knowledgeable, and their allegiance to Celtics players is legendary. Yes, they have expectations and hopes–but nothing unreasonable, considering the team’s history of success. Contrary to opinions of know-nothings around the league, Boston fans are not quick to “turn on” players who are going through rough stretches. In fact, the one thing that Boston fans really demand is effort, which is a primary reason why many Celtics fan favorites over the years have been lesser-known players (from Henry Finkel to Connor Henry to Terry Duerod to Leon Powe to Brian Scalabrine to Gigi Datome). Playing in front of a revved up Boston crowd can be the equivalent of playing six on five.
Weather
The only bluster in the Boston atmosphere has nothing to do with the weather—only with comments dealing with the weather. The Storm of ’78? This past winter? It never snowed once. That was just crystallized rain.
A little known fact is that free agents who sign with Miami or Los Angeles have mandatory clauses in their contracts that they must submit to weekly exams for sun cancer. One staple in both Boston and so-called “warm weather” markets is slush. It’s just that, in the warm weather markets, people eat it and, in Boston, people walk in it.
The Boston weather is much like the Boston Celtics. It knows only one way to play the game—full speed ahead.
Sam
I don’t claim to know all the details of a path to the next Celtics championship, although I believe they’re more likely to relate to trades and free agency than to the draft. But I do know that, at the heart of that journey, it’s very much about the plan.
(Anology alert).
There are two basic approaches to using a computer keyboard. One is the “hunt-and-peck” system, which is not really systematic. It’s more of a default technique for people who have not mastered the far more fluid and efficient “touch” method. I feel this is an appropriate analogy for the situation in which the Celtics now find themselves.
In the wake of the recent draft, a large proportion of the comments I read are of the “hunt and peck” variety. “We should have taken this guy.” “How come we passed on so-and-so?” “We need a stud. We got a dud.” Such comments miss the point in terms of the direction of the Celtics. Ideally, the way good basketball teams are put together should be a function of a cohesive plan built around the team rather than a pastiche of individual playing resumes.
Therefore, it’s not surprising that a strong blueprint for the future represents the key to how well and how quickly the Green will return to prominence. What is the plan? What are the key elements of the plan? How will these elements fit together? How much sense does the plan make in terms of (1) maximizing performance on the court, (2) convincing potential player cornerstones of the future to sign on for the adventure, and (3) encouraging other teams to give the Celtics greater consideration as trading partners?
It really doesn’t matter whether there’s a catchy title for the plan. Moreover, it would be surprising if the plan, itself, didn’t continue to evolve—just as it was probably adjusted when the Celtics surprised even themselves with an unexpected burst of momentum last season. What I care about are the general components of the ongoing plan that will distinguish the Celtics from other teams. What’s Danny going to say when he’s sitting across from elite free players and their agents? Well, here are some possible points of emphasis.
You know how people are fond of inviting disagreement with their posts? Well I’m not! My ego is so fragile. Okay, disagree if you must. But please do so only in a foreign language.
Young Veteran Impact
The intent of the Boston Celtics as they move in the direction of championship contention is not to depend on untested young guys. Nor is it to bog the team down with relics of the past. They’re looking for good young talent—but talent that’s packaged within the potential to apply successful playing strategies instinctively, gain leadership ability, relish “go to” responsibilities, blend into a collective effort that is far more than the sum of its parts, put one another in positions to succeed, and maintain a “no quit” approach.
Dynamic Outlook
Last season provided a glimpse of the team’s intention to make its own luck through a combination of energy, effort, constant motion, toughness, opportunism, disruption, creativity, and teamwork. These are not simply objectives. They’re necessities in the Celtics system, and they must be embraced by future cornerstones of the team.
Defensive Backbone
Celtics history—especially their championship legacy—is liberally populated by great defensive players—some who were stars named Russell, Havlicek, D.J., KG, etc.; and others without star quality but with essential and consistent defensive contributions—guys with names such as Sanders, K.C, Silas, Maxwell, and Posey. One hallmark of great Celtics teams will always be tough defense; and it’s no coincidence that recent years—even the most recent draft—have seen the acquisition of strong defensive players by the Celtics. The most obvious missing defensive piece of late has been dominating defense in the middle; and the team is committed to solving that problem this summer. Free agent candidates should be convinced that they will not be expected to be saviors but will be extremely comfortable with the importance of their Boston roles.
Team Approach
It’s an unassailable fact that the Boston Celtics wrote the book on team basketball, and the team approach is an indelible element of what makes the Celtics tradition unique in the annals of the NBA. That doesn’t mean Celtics players aren’t encouraged to exercise their individualism in constructive ways. But it does mean that the Celtics of the future should always sensitive to the ways in which their individual roles fit within the team concept. The whole really should be more than the sum of its parts; and last season is just the latest proof of the power of that adage.
Coaching Superiority
The Celtics’ master strategist and player-oriented coach, Brad Stevens, is quietly but persistently forming his own coaching brand. Other teams are aware that Brad’s stamp on the career of a young player automatically identifies the player as someone who has a thorough understanding of the game, gets the very most out of his abilities, is completely immersed in lending his role to a team approach, and has no comprehension of the word “quit.” Brad is particularly adept at working with his assistant coaches to give each player every possible form of support and encouragement to be the best he can be. And the entire Celtics front office is noted throughout the league as completely absorbed with the importance of doing whatever’s necessary to win—another Celtic trademark throughout the decades.
Fan Support
Boston fans are notoriously knowledgeable, and their allegiance to Celtics players is legendary. Yes, they have expectations and hopes–but nothing unreasonable, considering the team’s history of success. Contrary to opinions of know-nothings around the league, Boston fans are not quick to “turn on” players who are going through rough stretches. In fact, the one thing that Boston fans really demand is effort, which is a primary reason why many Celtics fan favorites over the years have been lesser-known players (from Henry Finkel to Connor Henry to Terry Duerod to Leon Powe to Brian Scalabrine to Gigi Datome). Playing in front of a revved up Boston crowd can be the equivalent of playing six on five.
Weather
The only bluster in the Boston atmosphere has nothing to do with the weather—only with comments dealing with the weather. The Storm of ’78? This past winter? It never snowed once. That was just crystallized rain.
A little known fact is that free agents who sign with Miami or Los Angeles have mandatory clauses in their contracts that they must submit to weekly exams for sun cancer. One staple in both Boston and so-called “warm weather” markets is slush. It’s just that, in the warm weather markets, people eat it and, in Boston, people walk in it.
The Boston weather is much like the Boston Celtics. It knows only one way to play the game—full speed ahead.
Sam
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Re: So What's the Plan?
by cowens/oldschool Sat Jun 27, 2015 10:11 pm
didn't Danny say the same thing last year around this time about the bigs, that he was sure Sully could play his natural position next season, that he was gonna upgrade the position? hes got trades and FA to get us a center, obviously he choose to do nothing in the draft....unfortunately his past history of missing out on centers doesn't give me confidence he can pull anything off.
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Re: So What's the Plan?
by k_j_88 Sun Jun 28, 2015 10:22 pm
A lot of things have to go right for draft picks to pan out. The respective coaching staff needs to do everything in their power to develop the player into a viable NBA-caliber player. Building a team in this way is very grueling. I'd have to agree that the quickest way to contention is through trades and free agency signings.
Perhaps Brad, after reaching the playoffs, may have gained a bit more clout to intrigue a good player to give Boston a second look. I am a firm believer in getting the first domino to fall. Once the first one falls, you can get other talents on board. before you know it, you'll have a more competitive roster.
KJ
Perhaps Brad, after reaching the playoffs, may have gained a bit more clout to intrigue a good player to give Boston a second look. I am a firm believer in getting the first domino to fall. Once the first one falls, you can get other talents on board. before you know it, you'll have a more competitive roster.
KJ
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Re: So What's the Plan?
by NYCelt Sun Jun 28, 2015 10:49 pm
Sam,
I didn't realize you had a fragile ego!
In keeping with your request, I have explained what the Celtic plan is below, in Spanish, which meets your criteria for answering in a foreign tongue if disagreeing with your post.
Hey; anything I can do to make you happy!
Regards
Construimos por el esbozo.
Pienso que esto es una noción equivocada para llamar el esbozo al que una mierda pega un tiro.
La mayor parte de jugadores fueron redactados.
Bill Russell? Redactado. Michael Jordan? Redactado. Larry Bird? Redactado. Oscar Robertson? Redactado.
Es verdadero que usted tiene que apretar unos limones para hacer la limonada. Así habrá un Acie Earls también. Pero es el modo que es hecho; parte de adquisición a los jugadores buenos.
Descanso mi caso.
Respetos
(Usted todavía tiene un gran sentido del humor mi amigo. Amé la nota de sarcasmo en su poste encima.)
If you prefer it in Italian, here you are;
Costruiamo dallo schizzo.
Penso che questo è un concetto sbagliato chiamare lo sketch che sparano stronzate.
La maggior parte dei giocatori sono stati redatti.
Bill Russell? Redatto. Michael Jordan? Redatto. Larry Bird? Redatto. Oscar Robertson? Redatto.
È vero che bisogna spremere alcuni limoni per fare la limonata. Ci sarà anche un Acie Earls. Ma è il modo in cui è fatto; parte dell'acquisizione di buoni giocatori.
Riposo il mio caso.
Rispetto
(avete ancora un grande senso dell'umorismo mio amico. Ho amato la nota di sarcasmo nel tuo post precedente).
I didn't realize you had a fragile ego!
In keeping with your request, I have explained what the Celtic plan is below, in Spanish, which meets your criteria for answering in a foreign tongue if disagreeing with your post.
Hey; anything I can do to make you happy!
Regards
Construimos por el esbozo.
Pienso que esto es una noción equivocada para llamar el esbozo al que una mierda pega un tiro.
La mayor parte de jugadores fueron redactados.
Bill Russell? Redactado. Michael Jordan? Redactado. Larry Bird? Redactado. Oscar Robertson? Redactado.
Es verdadero que usted tiene que apretar unos limones para hacer la limonada. Así habrá un Acie Earls también. Pero es el modo que es hecho; parte de adquisición a los jugadores buenos.
Descanso mi caso.
Respetos
(Usted todavía tiene un gran sentido del humor mi amigo. Amé la nota de sarcasmo en su poste encima.)
If you prefer it in Italian, here you are;
Costruiamo dallo schizzo.
Penso che questo è un concetto sbagliato chiamare lo sketch che sparano stronzate.
La maggior parte dei giocatori sono stati redatti.
Bill Russell? Redatto. Michael Jordan? Redatto. Larry Bird? Redatto. Oscar Robertson? Redatto.
È vero che bisogna spremere alcuni limoni per fare la limonata. Ci sarà anche un Acie Earls. Ma è il modo in cui è fatto; parte dell'acquisizione di buoni giocatori.
Riposo il mio caso.
Rispetto
(avete ancora un grande senso dell'umorismo mio amico. Ho amato la nota di sarcasmo nel tuo post precedente).
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Re: So What's the Plan?
by Sam Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:14 am
NYCelt,
Le plupart du temps, l'ébauche est une méthode trés lente et imprécis pour rebâtir un équipe. Bien sûr, quartre des plus magnifiques jouers du monde ont été rédigés. Mais commentaire qu sujet des beaucoup de choix elevé qui ont bombardé?
Pervis Ellison - rédigé #1 - un tir de merde
Kwame Brown - rédigé #1 - un tir de merde
Michael Olowakandi - rédigé #1 - un tir de merde
Greg Oden - rédigé #1 - un tir de merde
LaRue Martin - rédigé #1 - un tir de merde
Kent Benson - rédigé #1 - un tir de merde
Shawn Bradley - rédigé #2 - un tir de merde
Sam Bowie - rédigé #2 - un tir de merde
Marvin Williams (Qui) - rédigé #2 - un tir de merde
Adam Morrison - rédigé #3 - un tir de merde
Chris Washburn - rédigé #3 - un tir de merde
Dennis Hopson (Qui?) - rédigé #3 - un tir de merde
C'est les échecs plutôt que les réussites qui rendent l'ébauche un tir de merde.
Sam le Sham
Le plupart du temps, l'ébauche est une méthode trés lente et imprécis pour rebâtir un équipe. Bien sûr, quartre des plus magnifiques jouers du monde ont été rédigés. Mais commentaire qu sujet des beaucoup de choix elevé qui ont bombardé?
Pervis Ellison - rédigé #1 - un tir de merde
Kwame Brown - rédigé #1 - un tir de merde
Michael Olowakandi - rédigé #1 - un tir de merde
Greg Oden - rédigé #1 - un tir de merde
LaRue Martin - rédigé #1 - un tir de merde
Kent Benson - rédigé #1 - un tir de merde
Shawn Bradley - rédigé #2 - un tir de merde
Sam Bowie - rédigé #2 - un tir de merde
Marvin Williams (Qui) - rédigé #2 - un tir de merde
Adam Morrison - rédigé #3 - un tir de merde
Chris Washburn - rédigé #3 - un tir de merde
Dennis Hopson (Qui?) - rédigé #3 - un tir de merde
C'est les échecs plutôt que les réussites qui rendent l'ébauche un tir de merde.
Sam le Sham
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Re: So What's the Plan?
by worcester Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:38 am
Merveilleux Sam. J'aime bien votre vocabulaire, et j'ai appris quelque mots: surtout tir de merde, redigie, et l'ebauche. Merci pour les lecons. La semaine passe j'etais invite a visiter Soulac Sur Mer (c'est tout pret de Royen a la bouche de la Gironde).
Excusez-moi. Je ne sais pas faire des accents avec mon Samsung.
W
Excusez-moi. Je ne sais pas faire des accents avec mon Samsung.
W
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Re: So What's the Plan?
by sinus007 Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:25 am
Sam,
Interesting summary.
I hope you and Sam's ego won't be offended much but you forgot to mention Owners.
Sorry for using English.
AK
Interesting summary.
I hope you and Sam's ego won't be offended much but you forgot to mention Owners.
Sorry for using English.
AK
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Re: So What's the Plan?
by rambone Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:31 am
This puts me at ease, a bit:
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/06/28/celtics-turn-their-attention-free-agent-market/pyBD8TosC5BzxCByP2Z3TN/story.html
Several team sources said Celtics point guard Marcus Smart — whose name was widely reported to be a part of trade discussions in the days leading up to the draft — was never offered in a deal on Thursday. “If we’d thrown in Marcus Smart, we probably could have done some deals,” a team source said. “But we probably would have taken a step back.”
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/06/28/celtics-turn-their-attention-free-agent-market/pyBD8TosC5BzxCByP2Z3TN/story.html
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Re: So What's the Plan?
by rambone Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:32 am
Celtics had offered next year's Brooklyn unprotected first as part of that crazy package for Justise Winslow. Very glad that didn't go through.
The Celtics doggedly attempted to move up in Thursday’s draft so they could pick Duke forward Justise Winslow. A source said they offered several teams “multiple picks,” including next year’s unprotected first-round pick that they acquired from the Nets.
“Maybe we were going too hard at it,” president of basketball operations Danny Ainge said Thursday night. “There was a time when I thought, ‘Whoa, this is getting a little out of control. Maybe we’re putting a lot of eggs in one young player’s basket.’ ”
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Re: So What's the Plan?
by Sam Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:16 am
Sinus,
Thanks for catching that oversight. I did mention that, "And the entire Celtics front office is noted throughout the league as completely absorbed with the importance of doing whatever’s necessary to win—another Celtic trademark throughout the decades." But I guess ownership is a cut above the "front office." Maybe if I'd written it in French, I would have gotten it right. LOL. Anyway, thanks for having my back and correcting my oversight.
Sam
Thanks for catching that oversight. I did mention that, "And the entire Celtics front office is noted throughout the league as completely absorbed with the importance of doing whatever’s necessary to win—another Celtic trademark throughout the decades." But I guess ownership is a cut above the "front office." Maybe if I'd written it in French, I would have gotten it right. LOL. Anyway, thanks for having my back and correcting my oversight.
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Re: So What's the Plan?
by Sam Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:30 am
W,
Est-ce-que Royen est la même ville de Royan? Je ne sais pas la Gironde, mais il est situé dans une belle région. Lorsque vous avez l'intention de voyager?
Sam
P.S. J'ai reserché les mots inconnus.
Est-ce-que Royen est la même ville de Royan? Je ne sais pas la Gironde, mais il est situé dans une belle région. Lorsque vous avez l'intention de voyager?
Sam
P.S. J'ai reserché les mots inconnus.
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Re: So What's the Plan?
by Sam Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:33 am
Rambone,
Wow, Smart's inclusion was so widely mentioned that I believed it. Just one more bit of proof that we need to avoid taking media "insights" as Gospel.
Sam
Wow, Smart's inclusion was so widely mentioned that I believed it. Just one more bit of proof that we need to avoid taking media "insights" as Gospel.
Sam
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Re: So What's the Plan?
by NYCelt Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:40 am
Sam,
Touche!
(Worcester, I don't know how to make accent marks on my office PC or Droid either, although I was able to do it on the Mac at home)
I don't need to translate French to get the shot (shoot?) of s**t part!
Nonetheless, I'm still of the opinion the draft involves more than un tir de merde, and is the way Danny Ainge seems to be going. I don't see much in the way of quality free agents and it doesn't seem we have many interested trading partners.
I do think we will turn out to have gotten more from this years draft that many seem to think.
You did get me with Dennis Hopson, however! I do have to say, Greg Oden could have been #1 on your list and almost made your point single-handedly!
Qui concerne,
(hope I got the right translation for "Regards")
Touche!
(Worcester, I don't know how to make accent marks on my office PC or Droid either, although I was able to do it on the Mac at home)
I don't need to translate French to get the shot (shoot?) of s**t part!
Nonetheless, I'm still of the opinion the draft involves more than un tir de merde, and is the way Danny Ainge seems to be going. I don't see much in the way of quality free agents and it doesn't seem we have many interested trading partners.
I do think we will turn out to have gotten more from this years draft that many seem to think.
You did get me with Dennis Hopson, however! I do have to say, Greg Oden could have been #1 on your list and almost made your point single-handedly!
Qui concerne,
(hope I got the right translation for "Regards")
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Re: So What's the Plan?
by swish Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:06 pm
Very interested in this thread so how about an English translation of the following.
Costruiamo dallo schizzo.
Penso che questo è un concetto sbagliato chiamare lo sketch che sparano stronzate.
La maggior parte dei giocatori sono stati redatti.
Bill Russell? Redatto. Michael Jordan? Redatto. Larry Bird? Redatto. Oscar Robertson? Redatto.
È vero che bisogna spremere alcuni limoni per fare la limonata. Ci sarà anche un Acie Earls. Ma è il modo in cui è fatto; parte dell'acquisizione di buoni giocatori.
Riposo il mio caso.
Rispetto
(avete ancora un grande senso dell'umorismo mio amico. Ho amato la nota di sarcasmo nel tuo post precedente).
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NYCelt,
Le plupart du temps, l'ébauche est une méthode trés lente et imprécis pour rebâtir un équipe. Bien sûr, quartre des plus magnifiques jouers du monde ont été rédigés. Mais commentaire qu sujet des beaucoup de choix elevé qui ont bombardé?
Pervis Ellison - rédigé #1 - un tir de merde
Kwame Brown - rédigé #1 - un tir de merde
Michael Olowakandi - rédigé #1 - un tir de merde
Greg Oden - rédigé #1 - un tir de merde
LaRue Martin - rédigé #1 - un tir de merde
Kent Benson - rédigé #1 - un tir de merde
Shawn Bradley - rédigé #2 - un tir de merde
Sam Bowie - rédigé #2 - un tir de merde
Marvin Williams (Qui) - rédigé #2 - un tir de merde
Adam Morrison - rédigé #3 - un tir de merde
Chris Washburn - rédigé #3 - un tir de merde
Dennis Hopson (Qui?) - rédigé #3 - un tir de merde
C'est les échecs plutôt que les réussites qui rendent l'ébauche un tir de merde.
Sam le Sham
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Merveilleux Sam. J'aime bien votre vocabulaire, et j'ai appris quelque mots: surtout tir de merde, redigie, et l'ebauche. Merci pour les lecons. La semaine passe j'etais invite a visiter Soulac Sur Mer (c'est tout pret de Royen a la bouche de la Gironde).
Excusez-moi. Je ne sais pas faire des accents avec mon Samsung.
W
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Costruiamo dallo schizzo.
Penso che questo è un concetto sbagliato chiamare lo sketch che sparano stronzate.
La maggior parte dei giocatori sono stati redatti.
Bill Russell? Redatto. Michael Jordan? Redatto. Larry Bird? Redatto. Oscar Robertson? Redatto.
È vero che bisogna spremere alcuni limoni per fare la limonata. Ci sarà anche un Acie Earls. Ma è il modo in cui è fatto; parte dell'acquisizione di buoni giocatori.
Riposo il mio caso.
Rispetto
(avete ancora un grande senso dell'umorismo mio amico. Ho amato la nota di sarcasmo nel tuo post precedente).
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Post by sam Today at 5:14 am
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Le plupart du temps, l'ébauche est une méthode trés lente et imprécis pour rebâtir un équipe. Bien sûr, quartre des plus magnifiques jouers du monde ont été rédigés. Mais commentaire qu sujet des beaucoup de choix elevé qui ont bombardé?
Pervis Ellison - rédigé #1 - un tir de merde
Kwame Brown - rédigé #1 - un tir de merde
Michael Olowakandi - rédigé #1 - un tir de merde
Greg Oden - rédigé #1 - un tir de merde
LaRue Martin - rédigé #1 - un tir de merde
Kent Benson - rédigé #1 - un tir de merde
Shawn Bradley - rédigé #2 - un tir de merde
Sam Bowie - rédigé #2 - un tir de merde
Marvin Williams (Qui) - rédigé #2 - un tir de merde
Adam Morrison - rédigé #3 - un tir de merde
Chris Washburn - rédigé #3 - un tir de merde
Dennis Hopson (Qui?) - rédigé #3 - un tir de merde
C'est les échecs plutôt que les réussites qui rendent l'ébauche un tir de merde.
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Merveilleux Sam. J'aime bien votre vocabulaire, et j'ai appris quelque mots: surtout tir de merde, redigie, et l'ebauche. Merci pour les lecons. La semaine passe j'etais invite a visiter Soulac Sur Mer (c'est tout pret de Royen a la bouche de la Gironde).
Excusez-moi. Je ne sais pas faire des accents avec mon Samsung.
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Re: So What's the Plan?
by bobc33 Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:17 pm
Hope Rozier is a quistya moosh and isn't divya or dovile. Perhaps the chabbey can jawl the ball and it isn't just an overchay.
Rosalie probably can translate as she may be familiar with the lingo in my neighborhood. Bob Heckler possibly also as he lived in the next neighborhood many moons ago.
Rosalie probably can translate as she may be familiar with the lingo in my neighborhood. Bob Heckler possibly also as he lived in the next neighborhood many moons ago.
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Re: So What's the Plan?
by Sam Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:20 pm
Swish,
Here's mine:
Most of the time, the draft is a slow and imprecise way of rebuilding a team. Of course, four of the greatest players of all-time were drafted. But how about the many high picks who bombed?
(Players' names are in English; "rédigé" means "drafted; "un tir de merde" means "a crap shoot."
It's the failures rather than the successes that make the draft a crap shoot.
"Sam" is in English.
I hope this is helpful. I'm working on a Hungarian version just for you. LOL.
Sam
Here's mine:
Most of the time, the draft is a slow and imprecise way of rebuilding a team. Of course, four of the greatest players of all-time were drafted. But how about the many high picks who bombed?
(Players' names are in English; "rédigé" means "drafted; "un tir de merde" means "a crap shoot."
It's the failures rather than the successes that make the draft a crap shoot.
"Sam" is in English.
I hope this is helpful. I'm working on a Hungarian version just for you. LOL.
Sam
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Re: So What's the Plan?
by NYCelt Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:24 pm
Swish,
The translation of my comments (Sam, I'm writing this in English; forgive me!) is;
We are building through the draft.
I think it is a mistake to call the draft a crap-shoot.
Most of the players in the league were drafted.
Bill Russell? Drafted. Michael Jordan? Drafted. Larry Bird? Drafted. Oscar Robertson? Drafted.
It is true that you have to squeeze some lemons to make lemonade. There will sometimes be Acie Earls as well. But this is how it is done; part of the process of acquiring good players.
I rest my case.
Regards
(You still have a great sense of humor my friend. I loved the hint of sarcasm in your previous post.)
The translation of my comments (Sam, I'm writing this in English; forgive me!) is;
We are building through the draft.
I think it is a mistake to call the draft a crap-shoot.
Most of the players in the league were drafted.
Bill Russell? Drafted. Michael Jordan? Drafted. Larry Bird? Drafted. Oscar Robertson? Drafted.
It is true that you have to squeeze some lemons to make lemonade. There will sometimes be Acie Earls as well. But this is how it is done; part of the process of acquiring good players.
I rest my case.
Regards
(You still have a great sense of humor my friend. I loved the hint of sarcasm in your previous post.)
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Re: So What's the Plan?
by gyso Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:26 pm
It's lunch time, so that makes me a Hungarian. Hurry up, Sam, I'm starving!!
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Re: So What's the Plan?
by NYCelt Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:30 pm
Sam,
Hungarian for Swish might be quite an accomplishment. Beyond that, I hope someone can translate whatever Boston neighborhood dialect Bob C's comments come from!
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Hungarian for Swish might be quite an accomplishment. Beyond that, I hope someone can translate whatever Boston neighborhood dialect Bob C's comments come from!
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Re: So What's the Plan?
by swish Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:54 pm
The draft is designed to help the worst teams. And in that respect it does quite well as the below numbers will indicate. Below numbers are based on the last 37 years starting with the draft of 1979.
When drafting # 16 - (The Celts this year)
37 picks resulted in 1 player selected to the ALL- LEAGUE team and 2 players that were selected to the ALL- STAR team at least once.
When drafting # 10
37 picks = 2 ALL- LEAGUE selections and 7 ALL- STAR selections
When drafting # 5
37 picks = 11 ALL- LEAGUE selections and 2 ALL-STAR selections
When drafting # 1
37 picks = 21 ALL-LEAGUE selections and 7 ALL-STAR selections
Looks to me like the draft accomplishes exactly what it is intended to do. Don't expect any gems when drafting from the middle of the pact on down and disappointment is a little easier to swallow. Certainly drafting # 1 is not a crap shoot. By the way, the # 1 pick this year , Wiggins, was selected ROOKIE OF THE YEAR.
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When drafting # 16 - (The Celts this year)
37 picks resulted in 1 player selected to the ALL- LEAGUE team and 2 players that were selected to the ALL- STAR team at least once.
When drafting # 10
37 picks = 2 ALL- LEAGUE selections and 7 ALL- STAR selections
When drafting # 5
37 picks = 11 ALL- LEAGUE selections and 2 ALL-STAR selections
When drafting # 1
37 picks = 21 ALL-LEAGUE selections and 7 ALL-STAR selections
Looks to me like the draft accomplishes exactly what it is intended to do. Don't expect any gems when drafting from the middle of the pact on down and disappointment is a little easier to swallow. Certainly drafting # 1 is not a crap shoot. By the way, the # 1 pick this year , Wiggins, was selected ROOKIE OF THE YEAR.
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Re: So What's the Plan?
by worcester Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:46 am
Sam, you're right. The town is spelled Royan, not Royen. I must have confused it with Rouen. It lies across the mouth of the Gironde from Soulac Sur Mer. The Gironde flows from Bordeaux to Royan past some of the best vineyards du monde.
In 1967 on my first trip to Europe I boarded a train in London en route to Paris. Train. Shuttle from Dover to Calais. Then train to Paris. Sitting across from me was the most beautiful woman I'd ever seen in person, a 21 year old French gal, Michele, who'd just finished a year as an au pair girl. It was love at first site, and by the time we reached Paris she invited me to visit her at her family's farm. Of course I accepted, and we enjoyed the magnificent beach there, went dancing, helped her dad load hay onto his wagon, ate sumptuous meals with her mere, pere, and her two beautiful sisters Janine and Christiane, and her 2 year old niece Veronique, toured the neighboring Rothschild estate where her friend the vintner let us sample 19 varieties from their huge casks, celebrated at a neighbors farmhouse with fondue... and cried in each others arms when she took me to the highway to hitch a ride to Bordeaux. We swore to write each other, which we did, faithfully every 2 weeks for the next 15 months. She became a stewardess for Air France. One day in September, 1968 I got a letter from her sister Christiane who wrote that Michele had died along with 91 others in a plane crash en route from Corsica to Nice. They suspected Arab terrorists had targeted a Frenh general on board who had led the French efforts in Algiers. It happened September 11, 1968.
Through the wonder of the Internet Veronique tracked me down lastcweek asking about her aunt, trying to flesh out memories of a woman who'd attained mythic status in her family lore, and I had remained part of the legend. The American whom she had loved. Who had loved her.
Anyways Veronique and I exchanged many stories by email, and she, her husband, and her one surviving aunt Christiane invited me to visit their old farm which they'd turned into a small seaside resort. Her mom Janine had passed away.
Life is busy now. I'm committed to vacation in Alaska this summer with my girlfriend, so I probably won't get to France again for a year, perhaps two. 2018 would make it a 50th reunion. The whole experience leaves me verklempt. Still. Now even more so.
In 1967 on my first trip to Europe I boarded a train in London en route to Paris. Train. Shuttle from Dover to Calais. Then train to Paris. Sitting across from me was the most beautiful woman I'd ever seen in person, a 21 year old French gal, Michele, who'd just finished a year as an au pair girl. It was love at first site, and by the time we reached Paris she invited me to visit her at her family's farm. Of course I accepted, and we enjoyed the magnificent beach there, went dancing, helped her dad load hay onto his wagon, ate sumptuous meals with her mere, pere, and her two beautiful sisters Janine and Christiane, and her 2 year old niece Veronique, toured the neighboring Rothschild estate where her friend the vintner let us sample 19 varieties from their huge casks, celebrated at a neighbors farmhouse with fondue... and cried in each others arms when she took me to the highway to hitch a ride to Bordeaux. We swore to write each other, which we did, faithfully every 2 weeks for the next 15 months. She became a stewardess for Air France. One day in September, 1968 I got a letter from her sister Christiane who wrote that Michele had died along with 91 others in a plane crash en route from Corsica to Nice. They suspected Arab terrorists had targeted a Frenh general on board who had led the French efforts in Algiers. It happened September 11, 1968.
Through the wonder of the Internet Veronique tracked me down lastcweek asking about her aunt, trying to flesh out memories of a woman who'd attained mythic status in her family lore, and I had remained part of the legend. The American whom she had loved. Who had loved her.
Anyways Veronique and I exchanged many stories by email, and she, her husband, and her one surviving aunt Christiane invited me to visit their old farm which they'd turned into a small seaside resort. Her mom Janine had passed away.
Life is busy now. I'm committed to vacation in Alaska this summer with my girlfriend, so I probably won't get to France again for a year, perhaps two. 2018 would make it a 50th reunion. The whole experience leaves me verklempt. Still. Now even more so.
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by rambone Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:43 am
Powerful story Worcester. Thank you for sharing.
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Re: So What's the Plan?
by bobheckler Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:47 am
worcester wrote:Sam, you're right. The town is spelled Royan, not Royen. I must have confused it with Rouen. It lies across the mouth of the Gironde from Soulac Sur Mer. The Gironde flows from Bordeaux to Royan past some of the best vineyards du monde.
In 1967 on my first trip to Europe I boarded a train in London en route to Paris. Train. Shuttle from Dover to Calais. Then train to Paris. Sitting across from me was the most beautiful woman I'd ever seen in person, a 21 year old French gal, Michele, who'd just finished a year as an au pair girl. It was love at first site, and by the time we reached Paris she invited me to visit her at her family's farm. Of course I accepted, and we enjoyed the magnificent beach there, went dancing, helped her dad load hay onto his wagon, ate sumptuous meals with her mere, pere, and her two beautiful sisters Janine and Christiane, and her 2 year old niece Veronique, toured the neighboring Rothschild estate where her friend the vintner let us sample 19 varieties from their huge casks, celebrated at a neighbors farmhouse with fondue... and cried in each others arms when she took me to the highway to hitch a ride to Bordeaux. We swore to write each other, which we did, faithfully every 2 weeks for the next 15 months. She became a stewardess for Air France. One day in September, 1968 I got a letter from her sister Christiane who wrote that Michele had died along with 91 others in a plane crash en route from Corsica to Nice. They suspected Arab terrorists had targeted a Frenh general on board who had led the French efforts in Algiers. It happened September 11, 1968.
Through the wonder of the Internet Veronique tracked me down lastcweek asking about her aunt, trying to flesh out memories of a woman who'd attained mythic status in her family lore, and I had remained part of the legend. The American whom she had loved. Who had loved her.
Anyways Veronique and I exchanged many stories by email, and she, her husband, and her one surviving aunt Christiane invited me to visit their old farm which they'd turned into a small seaside resort. Her mom Janine had passed away.
Life is busy now. I'm committed to vacation in Alaska this summer with my girlfriend, so I probably won't get to France again for a year, perhaps two. 2018 would make it a 50th reunion. The whole experience leaves me verklempt. Still. Now even more so.
worcester,
You've led a rich life. That means good and bad, both extremes. Lucky guy. Verklempt is better than numb.
I've been to Soulac-sur-Mer. It's a beach town, reminded me a bit of Key West, FL, north of Bordeaux. Never knew of Royan.
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Re: So What's the Plan?
by worcester Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:00 am
I am amazed that you've been there Bob, but where have you not been?
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