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The Butler smear campaign has ticked off guard Jimmy Butler
by bobheckler Sat May 07, 2016 2:52 pm
http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/the-butler-smear-campaign-has-ticked-off-guard-jimmy-butler/
The Butler smear campaign has ticked off guard Jimmy Butler
The smear campaign aimed at Jimmy Butler is alive and well.
Since the end of the season, a handful of stories have focused on Butler’s so-called “diva’’ ways, along with his inability to get along with teammates such as Joakim Noah and Derrick Rose, as well as general manager Gar Forman.
There actually is some fact to go along with the fiction, as Butler has no trust and very little respect for Forman, and has been vocal about it in the locker room. He also was getting tired of little verbal jabs thrown at him by Noah before the big man’s injury, but not enough to tarnish the relationship long-term.
Either way, a source close to the situation has indicated that Butler is less than pleased on several fronts, starting with the belief that the picture being painted of him is actually being pushed by the organization.
No wonder the All-Star guard has loyalty concerns with the team, feeling that it’s a franchise that “only shows loyalty to the top of the pyramid,’’ the source said.
For coaches and players? Forget it. Loyalty is an empty promise.
Meanwhile, the Bulls front office is actually in a win-win situation with all of this. Besides being able to deny that they have been steering the narrative on Butler, it gives them an excuse for trading the talented two-way guard if the right deal comes along.
Heck, worst-case scenario in the team’s eyes is if Butler does play out the remaining four years, $75-million plus left on his contract with the Bulls, this offseason will humble what is deemed a Hollywood ego.
Miscalculations yet again, by an organization that is well-versed in the art of over-playing its hand.
Butler has become the Pied Piper for the young players on the roster, so any attempts to put Butler in a corner comes with collateral damage. The last thing first-year coach Fred Hoiberg needs right now is a revolt on his hands.
That’s why this is a huge offseason for Forman and VP of basketball operations John Paxson.
A warning to both of them: Tread lightly.
WHAT’S COMING BACK
Rose – The often-injured guard will be playing for a long-term deal, so expect him to finally start listening to his wallet a bit more rather than his body. Meetings and graduations are off the calendar for the time being.
Butler – The centerpiece to build around or the biggest trade chip in the organization? Don’t expect the front office to have the onions to try and pull off the latter.
E’Twaun Moore – The free agent-to-be has watched his stock rise with the Bulls, and the hope is to bring him back as that key combo guard. The problem is other teams have noticed that improvement as well.
Justin Holiday – At just over a million dollars for next season, Holiday was a pleasant surprise this season, and a player that has gained rotation minutes.
WHAT’S DEPARTING
Aaron Brooks – The lease on the Brooks dog house finally seems to be up. His welcome has been worn out.
WHAT’S OUT THERE
Jeremy Lin would be perfect for what Hoiberg wants to do with his offense, or maybe they take a flyer on the fading stock of a Ty Lawson. The more realistic solution for the Bulls, however, would be to look at a point guard in the draft, as well as continue to let Butler play some point, while Rose sees more time off the ball.
THE DRAFT
The likes of point guards Jamal Murray and Kris Dunn will probably be gone when the Bulls select come June, but if they really want speed and pace then Kentucky’s Tyler Ulis has the resume.
bob
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The Butler smear campaign has ticked off guard Jimmy Butler
The smear campaign aimed at Jimmy Butler is alive and well.
Since the end of the season, a handful of stories have focused on Butler’s so-called “diva’’ ways, along with his inability to get along with teammates such as Joakim Noah and Derrick Rose, as well as general manager Gar Forman.
There actually is some fact to go along with the fiction, as Butler has no trust and very little respect for Forman, and has been vocal about it in the locker room. He also was getting tired of little verbal jabs thrown at him by Noah before the big man’s injury, but not enough to tarnish the relationship long-term.
Either way, a source close to the situation has indicated that Butler is less than pleased on several fronts, starting with the belief that the picture being painted of him is actually being pushed by the organization.
No wonder the All-Star guard has loyalty concerns with the team, feeling that it’s a franchise that “only shows loyalty to the top of the pyramid,’’ the source said.
For coaches and players? Forget it. Loyalty is an empty promise.
Meanwhile, the Bulls front office is actually in a win-win situation with all of this. Besides being able to deny that they have been steering the narrative on Butler, it gives them an excuse for trading the talented two-way guard if the right deal comes along.
Heck, worst-case scenario in the team’s eyes is if Butler does play out the remaining four years, $75-million plus left on his contract with the Bulls, this offseason will humble what is deemed a Hollywood ego.
Miscalculations yet again, by an organization that is well-versed in the art of over-playing its hand.
Butler has become the Pied Piper for the young players on the roster, so any attempts to put Butler in a corner comes with collateral damage. The last thing first-year coach Fred Hoiberg needs right now is a revolt on his hands.
That’s why this is a huge offseason for Forman and VP of basketball operations John Paxson.
A warning to both of them: Tread lightly.
WHAT’S COMING BACK
Rose – The often-injured guard will be playing for a long-term deal, so expect him to finally start listening to his wallet a bit more rather than his body. Meetings and graduations are off the calendar for the time being.
Butler – The centerpiece to build around or the biggest trade chip in the organization? Don’t expect the front office to have the onions to try and pull off the latter.
E’Twaun Moore – The free agent-to-be has watched his stock rise with the Bulls, and the hope is to bring him back as that key combo guard. The problem is other teams have noticed that improvement as well.
Justin Holiday – At just over a million dollars for next season, Holiday was a pleasant surprise this season, and a player that has gained rotation minutes.
WHAT’S DEPARTING
Aaron Brooks – The lease on the Brooks dog house finally seems to be up. His welcome has been worn out.
WHAT’S OUT THERE
Jeremy Lin would be perfect for what Hoiberg wants to do with his offense, or maybe they take a flyer on the fading stock of a Ty Lawson. The more realistic solution for the Bulls, however, would be to look at a point guard in the draft, as well as continue to let Butler play some point, while Rose sees more time off the ball.
THE DRAFT
The likes of point guards Jamal Murray and Kris Dunn will probably be gone when the Bulls select come June, but if they really want speed and pace then Kentucky’s Tyler Ulis has the resume.
bob
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Re: The Butler smear campaign has ticked off guard Jimmy Butler
by wideclyde Sun May 08, 2016 5:12 pm
If even a part of what Chicago is supposed to have said about Butler has any truth, it sure does not seem like they want to keep him around.
And, if they are going to try to trade him, I wonder why they would lower his value by saying anything about him? Nothing like placing some doubt in a suitor's head and then try to ask for half his roster of young players and a bunch of his draft picks as well.
And, if they are going to try to trade him, I wonder why they would lower his value by saying anything about him? Nothing like placing some doubt in a suitor's head and then try to ask for half his roster of young players and a bunch of his draft picks as well.
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Re: The Butler smear campaign has ticked off guard Jimmy Butler
by Ktronic1 Sun May 08, 2016 7:07 pm
They're the same lowdown clowns that trashed Coach Tibbs before and after he left the building.
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Re: The Butler smear campaign has ticked off guard Jimmy Butler
by worcester Mon May 09, 2016 12:07 am
Thibs is one of the very best NBA coaches ever. Chicago has been a punk organization since they dissed MJ. Imagine that, the Bulls even dissed Michael.
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Re: The Butler smear campaign has ticked off guard Jimmy Butler
by kdp59 Mon May 09, 2016 8:03 am
I'd still try to get him if I was Danny.
Bradley and the Nets pick ( not a top 2) would be my starting point.
give them the Philly second rounder also and maybe a future first rounder to get it done.
Butler over Bradley gives us more flexibility when playing Thomas and Smart along with Butler.
Butler and Thomas give us two "All-star" caliber players, which COULD get us that third wheel big man.
Bradley and the Nets pick ( not a top 2) would be my starting point.
give them the Philly second rounder also and maybe a future first rounder to get it done.
Butler over Bradley gives us more flexibility when playing Thomas and Smart along with Butler.
Butler and Thomas give us two "All-star" caliber players, which COULD get us that third wheel big man.
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Re: The Butler smear campaign has ticked off guard Jimmy Butler
by Shamrock1000 Mon May 09, 2016 10:33 am
worcester wrote:Thibs is one of the very best NBA coaches ever. Chicago has been a punk organization since they dissed MJ. Imagine that, the Bulls even dissed Michael.
Excellent point - looking back, it's almost unbelievable they dissed Jordan....
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Re: The Butler smear campaign has ticked off guard Jimmy Butler
by bobheckler Mon May 09, 2016 10:50 am
The gist of the comments seem to be that the Bulls organization is a/the problem, but they don't talk much about Jimmy Butler himself.
Question:
Would you trade Bradley for Butler? It doesn't have to be a straight up one-for-one deal, in fact it cannot be due to the difference in their salaries, but would you even do it?
According to the Trade Machine, Bradley + Amir = successful trade for Butler.
bob
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Question:
Would you trade Bradley for Butler? It doesn't have to be a straight up one-for-one deal, in fact it cannot be due to the difference in their salaries, but would you even do it?
According to the Trade Machine, Bradley + Amir = successful trade for Butler.
bob
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Re: The Butler smear campaign has ticked off guard Jimmy Butler
by tjmakz Mon May 09, 2016 11:07 am
There are plenty of articles from Chicago newspapers that puts some of the blame on Jimmy for being a primadoana and not a leader.
I think it's time for Chicago to look to start over.
Rose is not a very effective player anymore.
Pau is probably moving on.
If Chicago can get a top 3 pick for Jimmy, they might be tempted to move him.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-haugh-bulls-butler-spt-0408-20160407-column.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-jimmy-butler-self-examination-bulls-spt-0407-20160406-story.html
I think it's time for Chicago to look to start over.
Rose is not a very effective player anymore.
Pau is probably moving on.
If Chicago can get a top 3 pick for Jimmy, they might be tempted to move him.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-haugh-bulls-butler-spt-0408-20160407-column.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-jimmy-butler-self-examination-bulls-spt-0407-20160406-story.html
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Re: The Butler smear campaign has ticked off guard Jimmy Butler
by Ktronic1 Mon May 09, 2016 6:12 pm
bobheckler wrote:The gist of the comments seem to be that the Bulls organization is a/the problem, but they don't talk much about Jimmy Butler himself.
Question:
Would you trade Bradley for Butler? It doesn't have to be a straight up one-for-one deal, in fact it cannot be due to the difference in their salaries, but would you even do it?
According to the Trade Machine, Bradley + Amir = successful trade for Butler.
bob
Done!
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Re: The Butler smear campaign has ticked off guard Jimmy Butler
by bobheckler Thu May 12, 2016 8:02 pm
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/05/11/jimmy-butler-to-represent-chicago-bulls-at-nba-draft-lottery/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs
Jimmy Butler to represent Chicago Bulls at NBA Draft Lottery
By Kurt Helin
May 11, 2016, 8:33 AM EDT
Next Tuesday night, the ping-pong balls will be bouncing for the NBA Draft Lottery, and Jimmy Butler will be right in the middle of it.
That’s who Chicago is sending to represent the team on the dais, reports C.J. Johnson of the Chicago Tribune. I don’t know that this will squelch the Butler trade rumors, not after GM Gar Forman said that everything must be on the table this summer (even though the team has since brushed off teams that have called about a trade), but it can be read as some sign of commitment.
The Bulls have the longest odds in the lottery, a 0.005 percent chance of landing the top pick. They have a 0.018 chance of jumping into the top three. The guy representing the team on the stage has no control over any of this anyway. Meaning Butler is there as window dressing.
Still it is a sign that at an event about building teams for the future the Bulls want Butler as their face.
bob
MY NOTE: So much for that rumor.
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Jimmy Butler to represent Chicago Bulls at NBA Draft Lottery
By Kurt Helin
May 11, 2016, 8:33 AM EDT
Next Tuesday night, the ping-pong balls will be bouncing for the NBA Draft Lottery, and Jimmy Butler will be right in the middle of it.
That’s who Chicago is sending to represent the team on the dais, reports C.J. Johnson of the Chicago Tribune. I don’t know that this will squelch the Butler trade rumors, not after GM Gar Forman said that everything must be on the table this summer (even though the team has since brushed off teams that have called about a trade), but it can be read as some sign of commitment.
The Bulls have the longest odds in the lottery, a 0.005 percent chance of landing the top pick. They have a 0.018 chance of jumping into the top three. The guy representing the team on the stage has no control over any of this anyway. Meaning Butler is there as window dressing.
Still it is a sign that at an event about building teams for the future the Bulls want Butler as their face.
bob
MY NOTE: So much for that rumor.
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