Tacko Fall Contract

Is this his non-guaranteed Exhibit 10 contract, or a new one?



bob


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Adam Himmelsbach @AdamHimmelsbach

And since plenty are asking, as of now there are no plans for Tacko Fall to claim the Celtics' 15th roster spot. Plan is still for him to enter camp on his Exhibit 10 deal and proceed from there.

dboss wrote:Tj

The contract info came from Spotrac.  That is not an exhibition contract.  It is a non guaranteed contract with Boston having a QO option next year.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/tacko-fall-31972/

This is the same contract that Aric Holman just signed for the Lakers.
It is an Exhibit-10 contract that is probably guaranteed for $50,000.
It will get Tacko to training camp, but it is not a contract for one of the 15 roster spots.

Amar e anyone?

He will contribute every bit as much (or, hopefully much more) than Yabusele did last year or would have this year. He is certainly not a tweener and will never be considered as one.

wideclyde wrote:He will contribute every bit as much (or, hopefully much more) than Yabusele did last year or would have this year.  He is certainly not a tweener and will never be considered as one.

Although I don't think Fall will be with the Celtics when the season starts, I still cannot argue with any part of this statement.

Yes, I mean that the way it sounds.

What I see with Fall is that the other team's offense goes into chaos when he's in there. Thinking about the other super-bigs that have been in the league (Bol, Bradley, Muresan, et al) and I can't say any of them showed as much as this kid does already. He's not a string bean but he can move. He looks like he wants to play the game. With some coaching he doesn't look like the kind that would get kicked around by a Davis or Embiid.

He has 300 lbs of upside...in 18 months he could be a real force.

The main concern with Fall will be the foul line on both ends. If he has the footwork, all he has to do is stay in the way and hold his arms up. But a guy his size will be a target for the refs. On the other end his ft% is a problem, as is common for guys with huge hands. That will probably be the bigger issue for him to get any time.

atcross wrote:The main concern with Fall will be the foul line on both ends. If he has the footwork, all he has to do is stay in the way and hold his arms up. But a guy his size will be a target for the refs. On the other end his ft% is a problem, as is common for guys with huge hands. That will probably be the bigger issue for him to get any time.

AT,

I have become more and more skeptical of the truism that claims that players with big hands cannot shoot fritos.  Kawhi has the biggest hands in the league, some of the biggest ever, and he shot 88% last year.  Elgin Baylor and Michael Jordan's hands are as big as Kawhi's and they were good at the line too.  And considering how bigs, with big hands, are shooting 3s now why wouldn't they be able to shoot a 15 footer? I'm starting to think there are other factors at play.



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Bob,

Absolutely great point about not buying into the fallacy of guys with big hands not being able to shoot free throws well (at least reasonably well) only because of the size of their hands.

There are plenty of big hands guys who can shoot free throws (you mentioned several, but there are many others as well) and plenty of smaller hands guys who do not shoot free throws very well.

You are correct in saying that there are other factors connected with free throw success or failure. What these factors may be may very well vary with each individual, however, and that is where quality coaching comes into play.

But Tacko does have very good footwork.

so did we decide if Tacko is locked here or not, with that "exhibit 10" contract?

bobheckler wrote:

atcross wrote:The main concern with Fall will be the foul line on both ends. If he has the footwork, all he has to do is stay in the way and hold his arms up. But a guy his size will be a target for the refs. On the other end his ft% is a problem, as is common for guys with huge hands. That will probably be the bigger issue for him to get any time.

AT,

I have become more and more skeptical of the truism that claims that players with big hands cannot shoot fritos.  Kawhi has the biggest hands in the league, some of the biggest ever, and he shot 88% last year.  Elgin Baylor and Michael Jordan's hands are as big as Kawhi's and they were good at the line too.  And considering how bigs, with big hands, are shooting 3s now why wouldn't they be able to shoot a 15 footer?  I'm starting to think there are other factors at play.



bob


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I tend to bow to the more knowledgeable on this forum but I also have an irrepressible need to play devil's advocate. I'm not a big stats guy but I went to the player stats, ranked the centers, forwards, and guards by number of FTs taken, and averaged the top thirty FT%. Guards averaged 81%, forwards 77.5%, and centers 72%. I can't think that a professional player would be allowed to believe that FTs weren't important. And these weren't guys who were just shooting one every other game. The lowest of the centers was shooting 2.8 per game. So whether it's the hands or not, size does seem to matter. Just the body mechanics as they relate to the distance and height of the basket?

Anecdotally I would note that Rondo has the fifteenth largest hands in NBA history. Everyone else on the list is 6'6" or better. Rondo's hands are proportionate to a guy 7'4"+. And Rondo, as we know, has never excelled at the line.

Fascinating report,ATcross.

Here's some news about Tacko. In college he went from being a bad ft shooter his freshman year - .558%, to being a terrible ft shooter his sophomore and junior years - .461%, to being an awful ft shooter his senior year - .362%

However his 2 point fg% was record breaking - .740% over four years. I am an optimist and can see him being coached up to Shaq's career ft stat of .527%. And beyond!

I noticed when he shot a couple FTs the ball looked like a grapefruit in his hands. Do we know his hand size? And once he gets the ball in his hands above his head, how many are going to take a foul trying to block his shot, unless they're playing hackatack(o)?

He made his shots in college and got fouled
Who could stop his shot up close?