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The Basketball Great Who Stood Up to the NBA to Protect His Fellow Players



Robert Silverman
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Oscar Robertson, one of the greatest players in NBA history and a visionary labor rights leader, is riding out the current stretch of the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic down in Florida. It’s not his permanent residence, but like many in the Sunshine State and across the globe, the 82-year-old is worried, Robertson told me in an August phone conversation. He’s been vaccinated, and is taking every precaution, including wearing a mask outdoors, until conditions improve. “Goodness, gracious,” he said. “It’s unbelievable, unbelievable.”

He was baffled to read that a number of pro football players were making a public show of refusing to get the jab. Beyond the spread of the new variant, the risks posed to children and family members, Robertson couldn’t comprehend why an athlete wouldn’t at a bare minimum be looking out for their teammates, regardless of what misinformation they’d been fed. “Why would a player say ‘I don’t want to get the shot’ if he's going to be around other players?” he plaintively asked. “Why would he do that?"

That Robertson would view the ongoing health crisis as requiring greater labor solidarity shouldn’t come as much of a surprise.

For all the Big O’s successes on court—the awards and accolades, the titles and medals won, his name scrawled at the top of the NBA’s record books, and the effusive praise from his contemporaries—Robertson’s legacy is also built on the decades spent fighting for justice and equity. He’s stood up to groaning bigots that treated him as less-than-human and threatened his life; he locked arms in solidarity in order to bring an All-Star game to a halt; and he dragged the NBA court and then testified before Congress, demanding that he and his in-demand, talented colleagues should (at a minimum) be able to choose their place of employment. All this was accomplished at a time when an outspoken athlete could easily find themselves on the unemployment line.

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“There is a long tradition in our league going back to Oscar and others, including Bill Russell, who spoke out about civil rights issues,” Commissioner Adam Silver told Sports Illustrated’s Jack McCallum in 2020. “It’s a culture that’s been passed down from generation to generation, and Oscar led the fight.”

Over the summer, Robertson watched the Milwaukee Bucks win their first NBA title in 50 years, since he and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar last led the team to glory. It delighted him to no end. He marveled not just at the tens of thousands who had crammed into what the team dubbed “the Deer District” outside the stadium, but franchises now worth billions, and contracts for the biggest stars topping $200 million. As much as any NBA player, Robertson fought to ensure at least a somewhat more equitable distribution of wealth, though this stretch of NBA and labor history may have faded over time for fans and players alike.

“Some don’t know what the Oscar Robertson Rule is all about,” he said of the 1976 settlement agreement granting NBA players the right to free agency before any of the other major pro sports leagues. According to Robertson, those unaware of his battles should probably ask themselves, “How did it get this way?”

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Oscar Robertson's birthday?

Here's an awesome Big O highlight from 1971: telling jack ass senator Roman Hruska he's earned the salary he makes in the NBA.

Notice that everyone else is laughing while Oscar is dead serious and ready to smack a fool for questioning his worth.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1331317877916438535


Born in 1938, Robertson grew up in poverty, first in rural Tennessee and then in a segregated housing project in Indianapolis, Indiana. Buying a regulation basketball was beyond the family’s means, but Robertson honed his skills as best he could, shooting tennis balls or crumpled cans at imaginary baskets before receiving a battered ball at age 11. Lack of proper equipment or not, his skills soon became evident.

As Robertson detailed in his 2003 autobiography, The Big O: My Life, My Times, My Game, athletic ability couldn’t shield him from the rampant racism of the era. He led Crispus Attucks High School to consecutive state championship-winning seasons in 1955 and 1956, becoming the first all-Black institution in the nation to do so. The prior year, Crispus Attucks fell to tiny, all-white Milan High School in the title game—an upset of such enormity it would be used as the basis for the movie Hoosiers. Annually, the state title winner would be feted with a parade in the heart of Indianapolis. When Milan High won, tens of thousands of fans lined the streets. Robertson’s team was shunted back into a predominantly Black part of town, thanks to the then-mayor, who feared the presence of that many Black athletes and fans would lead to violence.

“Even now I wonder: Did they think we’d riot because we were primitive animals, beasts who could do nothing but destroy?” Robertson wrote in his autobiography. “Or maybe, just maybe, did they worry because they knew we had good cause and were entitled to our rage?”

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Former NBA players Yao Ming, Oscar Robertson and Bill Russell are honored by LeBron James #23 of the Cleveland Cavaliers and the Eastern Conference in the first half during the NBA All-Star Game 2016 at the Air Canada Centre on February 14, 2016 in Toronto, Ontario.Elsa/Getty Images


Robertson only agreed to participate in a ceremony retiring his high school jersey if his Crispus Attucks teammates were included. By his account, their groundbreaking achievement had never received the proper recognition. "Because it's a Black school  , people just don’t care. Nobody cares about Black issues,” he said in 2009. (Six years later, Indianapolis righted the long-overdue wrong by bringing the team back to serve as honorary grand marshals.)

At the University of Cincinnati, Robertson continued to encounter deep-seated prejudices. Segregated drinking fountains and lunch counters were still the norm; during his sophomore year at a game in Houston, he was barred from staying at the same hotel as the all-white coaching staff; a letter from the Klu Klux Klan was delivered prior to a tournament in North Carolina, warning Robinson he’d be shot if he suited up. (He played anyway.) Someone left a black cat in the locker room when Cincinnati played the then-segregated North Texas State University. Once he stepped on court, Robertson was met with a deluge of racist jeers and pelted with food.

As the invectives rained down, Robertson stood perfectly still, refusing to warm up with his teammates, and seething with justifiable rage. “I’ll never forgive them,” he told the Indianapolis Star about his college years Still Robertson thrived. By graduation, he ranked as the all-time leading scorer in NCAA history, and then trekked to Rome for the 1960 Summer Olympic Games, winning a gold medal.

Robertson’s dominance continued after he was drafted by the Cincinnati Royals. (The team has since moved twice, first to Kansas City and now Sacramento.) Long before Russell Westbrook was racking up triple doubles, the dominant 6-5 floor general averaged over 30 points, 10 assists, and 10 rebounds per game over the first six years of his career. The twelve-time All-Star and 1964 MVP still ranks 10th and 3rd in points per game and assists per game, the only NBA player in league history to crack the top-20 in both categories. Before Michael Jordan’s ascendance, Robertson (or, occasionally, Jerry West) was invariably cited as the greatest guard the game had ever seen.




At the 1964 NBA All-Star game in Boston, the players saw an opportunity. At the time, the minimum NBA salary was only $7,500. Many players took a second job in the offseason. Prior to tipoff, Robertson, along with fellow luminaries Bill Russell and Jerry West, locked arms, refusing to play. They wanted the league to provide a guaranteed pension, a formal recognition of the nascent union, and seemingly basic amenities, like having a trainer on every coaching staff. The then-commissioner pleaded with the striking workers, and at least one owner stomped his feet, swearing they’d live to regret their act of defiance. “We thought that was just disrespectful,” Robertson said. No matter what threats were lobbed, Robertson and his cohorts wouldn’t budge.

The commissioner and owners blinked first. The players’ demands were met; the game went ahead as scheduled; and Robertson was named MVP. Within a year, Robertson became the president of the NBPA, the first Black man to reach such heights not just in sports, but any entertainment union.

Their victory didn’t mean basketball had moved out of the stone age. (Early in his career, unwritten racial quotas were adhered to by NBA teams.) A far greater battle loomed in Robertson’s near future: the landmark class-action lawsuit he headed: Robertson v. National Basketball Association. In 1970, the NBA was deep into negotiations on a merger with their fledgling competitors, the ABA. So the union filed an antitrust suit, stopping the two leagues from becoming one. Primarily, they wanted to have the same rights as every other laborer and be allowed to ply their trade once their contractual agreement had expired. As things stood, they were de facto tied to one employer for life. “Players were basically indentured servants to their teams,” Kareem Abdul-Jabbar wrote in a recent essay for Jacobin magazine.

Six years later, and two years after Robertson had retired, he won. Though true free agency was still years in the offing, the settlement agreement allowed players to negotiate their services to the highest bidder. Robertson believes that for a time, the NBA harbored a grudge. (Despite being feted with post-career honors, Robertson never found a way into a pro-level coaching role. His stint as a broadcaster for CBS was short lived, too.) Spearheading the case, “sort of left a bad taste in the NBA’s mouth,” Robertson told The Undefeated in 2017. “They might tell you it’s not true, but I’ve heard it from other guys around the league I played with and some after that. I think they really resented that, to be honest.”

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(During the discovery process of the trial, it was revealed that one owner called him an “adversary of the NBA,” and suggested ownership should have been allowed to pick a more suitable person for the job. )

Similarly, former All-Star guard Joe Caldwell sued the NBA over a withheld pension. For decades, Caldwell has insisted the NBA retaliated by blackballing him. Asked about Caldwell, Robertson backed up his claims. “I don’t doubt that one bit,” he said. “All of the player reps were in danger of being cut from the team, and that includes Oscar Robertson as well.”




Since his playing days ended, Robertson has continued to put his weight behind causes he believes in. He joined a 2011 lawsuit filed to block the NCAA from using the likenesses of college players without compensation, has backed pro-marijuana legalization campaigns in Ohio, and helped found a nonprofit dedicated to aiding players navigate their post-playing careers.

Throughout all the stories written about Robinson, both in the NBA in retirement, there is a constant throughline. He’s been described as “angry and bitter,” over the lack of recognition for his contributions, or a “perfectionist,” who’d berate and bully teammates. When Robertson left the Royals to join the Bucks in 1970, the right-wing Cincinnati Enquirer promised he’d “grow old a bitter man,” forever blaming others for his failings. Bill Simmons, the founder of Grantland and The Ringer, devoted chunks of his chapter on Robertson in The Book of Basketball to his glowering demeanor. (Asked about Simmons’ interpretation, Robertson said he’d never heard of him.)

When we spoke, none of the bellicosity came through. The message remained the same, but he was willing to temper his delivery. Robertson praised the brief wildcat strike the Bucks started during the bubble season in Disneyworld following the shooting of Jacob Blake, but understood why the players returned to the court. In terms of keeping the workforce safe, the whole endeavour was a success, he said. If modern fans didn’t rhapsodize about his dominance on court, well, that was understandable, too. He downplayed comments made in 2018 about white athletes not standing up for social justice, saying he understood why some needed time to find their voice. The problem, he explained, was that the question was being posed to Black athletes as a matter of course. For some, both Black and white, addressing these subjects takes time. Allowing people room to come around doesn’t obviate the necessity.

“I don't think you can be like a bug on the wall, and say, Oh, that's the way things are,” said Robertson. “A country has to grow up or it becomes stale.”

But given the life he’s lived and obstacles he’s overcome, it’s hard to imagine the kind of person who wouldn’t at times express some justified sense of resentment, if not outright anger. And perhaps someone willing to entirely turn the other cheek couldn’t have taken on an entire league, let alone prevailed.

As Robertson wrote in his autobiography, Larry Fleisher, the general counsel for the NBPA during the lawsuit, repeatedly told him: “I had the one great talent necessary for an effective labor negotiator: always distrust the other side.”


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Post by Ktron Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:34 pm

I was fortunate enough to attend the only Allstar game played in Boston in 63-64. I’ll never forget the performance Big O put on as Red sat on the bench with the program rolled up, arms in the air shaking his head, smiling and enjoying every minute of Oscar’s dominance.
I only hope that some of these players of today, especially the younger ones realize that Oscar paved the way to their having the freedoms to move about the league. Some are abusing it but if not for the Big O, Instead of trying to reinvent Hip Hop ala the NBA, Lebron would still be residing in the Big O.
Line Oscar up with Russ. They’re both born leaders and visionaries and we are all the better for it.

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Post by dbrown4 Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:46 am

Truly fascinating read, BobH. I'm obviously more familiar with the Bill Russell stories, but not so much with Oscar Robertson. Great points, Ktron! Thank you both for posting!

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Post by RosalieTCeltics Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:04 pm

He was an under appreciated, great basketball player but a better man.  Thanks for giving us a reality check, no a player who carried himself with dignity


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Post by worcester Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:34 pm

Robert Silverman is a fine, intelligent writer with a heart. Bill Simmons has the good sense to be a Celtics fan, but he still is a jerk.
Oscar Robertson was a man much bigger than his time, both on and off the court, and America is a better place for his fighting spirit. The NBA too. Men like the Big O helped move the NBA from its plantation mentality to become a paragon of social justice.

Although widely unappreciated, Curt Flood was another great man. He paid dearly for his efforts to win labor rights for all baseball players.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curt_Flood
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Post by NYCelt Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:29 am

Robertson is too often overlooked in debates on the greatest to ever play in the NBA. He certainly could and should be among those mentioned as the best to ever play the point guard position. I would have a tough time disagreeing with those that place him in a lineup of the top five all-time NBA players.

In a similar way, I believe the Bucks ‘71 championship team belongs in the conversation as being among the greatest NBA teams. The lineup of Alcindor (Jabbar), Robertson, McGlocklin, Dandridge and Smith, with Allen, Boozer and Cunningham coming off the bench, might be considered with the most well rounded  groups the league has ever seen. The Bucks were an expansion team at the time as well, only a few years in the NBA.
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Post by dboss Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:44 am

Oscar was a champion for social justice outside of baketball and fair labor inside.

I remember so vividly what a truly great player he was with the Cincinnati Royals and later near the end of his career with the Bucks.

His career .485 FG % at the guard position at the time when he played was amazing.

I heard that some players may be eliminated from the top 50 ever list.  I think the NBA has been around long enough to have a second top 50 list.  Begin at 1946 and end the first list at 1996.  Some players may very well span both eras and if so just round up. Just use a 50 year timeline to separate the list.

There will always be disagreement on who should be on the lists.  The game has changed greatly so when you lump everybody together in one big pool it is subject to variables that are not accounted for.
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Post by Ktron Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:27 pm

worcester wrote:Robert Silverman is a fine, intelligent writer with a heart. Bill Simmons has the good sense to be a Celtics fan, but he still is a jerk.
Oscar Robertson was a man much bigger than his time, both on and off the court, and America is a better place for his fighting spirit. The NBA too. Men like the Big O helped move the NBA from its plantation mentality to become a paragon of social justice.

Although widely unappreciated, Curt Flood was another great man. He paid dearly for his efforts to win labor rights for all baseball players.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curt_Flood

++++A pioneer: Curt Flood. What a price he paid.

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Post by Ktron Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:53 pm

dboss wrote:Oscar was a champion for social justice outside of baketball and fair labor inside.

I remember so vividly what a truly great player he was with the Cincinnati Royals and later near the end of his career with the Bucks.

His career .485 FG % at the guard position at the time when he played was amazing.

I heard that some players may be eliminated from the top 50 ever list.  I think the NBA has been around long enough to have a second top 50 list.  Begin at 1946 and end the first list at 1996.  Some players may very well span both eras and if so just round up. Just use a 50 year timeline to separate the list.

There will always be disagreement on who should be on the lists.  The game has changed greatly so when you lump everybody together in one big pool it is subject to variables that are not accounted for.

Dboss, I’m sure you will relate to this. I recall back in 90 when I was working in Atlanta managing WIGO AM. I hired a guy who I worked with in Boston to do a Saturday morning Sports Talk show. His name was Ken Hudson (first Black NBA referee) who was working for Coca Cola at the time. Ken knew EVERYBODY!
I’ll never forget the Saturday morning that he walked through the door with Oscar Robertson. Ken introduced me to Oscar and I just stared and told him that he used to have me up sweating and sleepless whenever the C’s played the Cincinnati Royals. I told him that he was “one scary dude”. It was normally an hour long show but Ken said, “this may go longer than an hour. I hope you’re okay with it”. I told him to go as long as he wanted to. The show lasted 3 hours and 15 minutes and listeners were still calling after Oscar and Ken left. My only regret is that I never bothered to personally record the show but I still have great memories from that morning. I learned so much about Oscar, his struggles and his genius level knowledge of Basketball. Life and social justice were more important to him than basketball. Everyone needs to know his story.

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Post by bobc33 Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:32 pm

Ktron wrote:
dboss wrote:Oscar was a champion for social justice outside of baketball and fair labor inside.

I remember so vividly what a truly great player he was with the Cincinnati Royals and later near the end of his career with the Bucks.

His career .485 FG % at the guard position at the time when he played was amazing.

I heard that some players may be eliminated from the top 50 ever list.  I think the NBA has been around long enough to have a second top 50 list.  Begin at 1946 and end the first list at 1996.  Some players may very well span both eras and if so just round up. Just use a 50 year timeline to separate the list.

There will always be disagreement on who should be on the lists.  The game has changed greatly so when you lump everybody together in one big pool it is subject to variables that are not accounted for.

Dboss, I’m sure you will relate to this. I recall back in 90 when I was working in Atlanta managing WIGO AM. I hired a guy who I worked with in Boston to do a Saturday morning Sports Talk show. His name was Ken Hudson (first Black NBA referee) who was working for Coca Cola at the time. Ken knew EVERYBODY!
I’ll never forget the Saturday morning that he walked through the door with Oscar Robertson. Ken introduced me to Oscar and I just stared and told him that he used to have me up sweating and sleepless whenever the C’s played the Cincinnati Royals. I told him that he was “one scary dude”. It was normally an hour long show but Ken said, “this may go longer than an hour. I hope you’re okay with it”. I told him to go as long as he wanted to. The show lasted 3 hours and 15 minutes and listeners were still calling after Oscar and Ken left. My only regret is that I never bothered to personally record the show but I still have great memories from that morning. I learned so much about Oscar, his struggles and his genius level knowledge of Basketball. Life and social justice were more important to him than basketball. Everyone needs to know his story.

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Post by cowens/oldschool Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:03 am

Ktron wrote:
dboss wrote:Oscar was a champion for social justice outside of baketball and fair labor inside.

I remember so vividly what a truly great player he was with the Cincinnati Royals and later near the end of his career with the Bucks.

His career .485 FG % at the guard position at the time when he played was amazing.

I heard that some players may be eliminated from the top 50 ever list.  I think the NBA has been around long enough to have a second top 50 list.  Begin at 1946 and end the first list at 1996.  Some players may very well span both eras and if so just round up. Just use a 50 year timeline to separate the list.

There will always be disagreement on who should be on the lists.  The game has changed greatly so when you lump everybody together in one big pool it is subject to variables that are not accounted for.

Dboss, I’m sure you will relate to this. I recall back in 90 when I was working in Atlanta managing WIGO AM. I hired a guy who I worked with in Boston to do a Saturday morning Sports Talk show. His name was Ken Hudson (first Black NBA referee) who was working for Coca Cola at the time. Ken knew EVERYBODY!
I’ll never forget the Saturday morning that he walked through the door with Oscar Robertson. Ken introduced me to Oscar and I just stared and told him that he used to have me up sweating and sleepless whenever the C’s played the Cincinnati Royals. I told him that he was “one scary dude”. It was normally an hour long show but Ken said, “this may go longer than an hour. I hope you’re okay with it”. I told him to go as long as he wanted to. The show lasted 3 hours and 15 minutes and listeners were still calling after Oscar and Ken left. My only regret is that I never bothered to personally record the show but I still have great memories from that morning. I learned so much about Oscar, his struggles and his genius level knowledge of Basketball. Life and social justice were more important to him than basketball. Everyone needs to know his story.

Wow Ktron, you’ve done a lot of interesting things, great story and agreed can’t believe you didn’t tape it….oh well.

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Post by Ktron Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:18 pm

cowens/oldschool wrote:
Ktron wrote:
dboss wrote:Oscar was a champion for social justice outside of baketball and fair labor inside.

I remember so vividly what a truly great player he was with the Cincinnati Royals and later near the end of his career with the Bucks.

His career .485 FG % at the guard position at the time when he played was amazing.

I heard that some players may be eliminated from the top 50 ever list.  I think the NBA has been around long enough to have a second top 50 list.  Begin at 1946 and end the first list at 1996.  Some players may very well span both eras and if so just round up. Just use a 50 year timeline to separate the list.

There will always be disagreement on who should be on the lists.  The game has changed greatly so when you lump everybody together in one big pool it is subject to variables that are not accounted for.

Dboss, I’m sure you will relate to this. I recall back in 90 when I was working in Atlanta managing WIGO AM. I hired a guy who I worked with in Boston to do a Saturday morning Sports Talk show. His name was Ken Hudson (first Black NBA referee) who was working for Coca Cola at the time. Ken knew EVERYBODY!
I’ll never forget the Saturday morning that he walked through the door with Oscar Robertson. Ken introduced me to Oscar and I just stared and told him that he used to have me up sweating and sleepless whenever the C’s played the Cincinnati Royals. I told him that he was “one scary dude”. It was normally an hour long show but Ken said, “this may go longer than an hour. I hope you’re okay with it”. I told him to go as long as he wanted to. The show lasted 3 hours and 15 minutes and listeners were still calling after Oscar and Ken left. My only regret is that I never bothered to personally record the show but I still have great memories from that morning. I learned so much about Oscar, his struggles and his genius level knowledge of Basketball. Life and social justice were more important to him than basketball. Everyone needs to know his story.

Wow Ktron, you’ve done a lot of interesting things, great story and agreed can’t believe you didn’t tape it….oh well.

I try not to live with regrets but yeah not taping is a huge regret i will have to live with.

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Post by worcester Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:40 pm

Ktron, you continue to amaze me, and always in a very good way.
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Post by dboss Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:21 pm

Ktron wrote:
dboss wrote:Oscar was a champion for social justice outside of baketball and fair labor inside.

I remember so vividly what a truly great player he was with the Cincinnati Royals and later near the end of his career with the Bucks.

His career .485 FG % at the guard position at the time when he played was amazing.

I heard that some players may be eliminated from the top 50 ever list.  I think the NBA has been around long enough to have a second top 50 list.  Begin at 1946 and end the first list at 1996.  Some players may very well span both eras and if so just round up. Just use a 50 year timeline to separate the list.

There will always be disagreement on who should be on the lists.  The game has changed greatly so when you lump everybody together in one big pool it is subject to variables that are not accounted for.

Dboss, I’m sure you will relate to this. I recall back in 90 when I was working in Atlanta managing WIGO AM. I hired a guy who I worked with in Boston to do a Saturday morning Sports Talk show. His name was Ken Hudson (first Black NBA referee) who was working for Coca Cola at the time. Ken knew EVERYBODY!
I’ll never forget the Saturday morning that he walked through the door with Oscar Robertson. Ken introduced me to Oscar and I just stared and told him that he used to have me up sweating and sleepless whenever the C’s played the Cincinnati Royals. I told him that he was “one scary dude”. It was normally an hour long show but Ken said, “this may go longer than an hour. I hope you’re okay with it”. I told him to go as long as he wanted to. The show lasted 3 hours and 15 minutes and listeners were still calling after Oscar and Ken left. My only regret is that I never bothered to personally record the show but I still have great memories from that morning. I learned so much about Oscar, his struggles and his genius level knowledge of Basketball. Life and social justice were more important to him than basketball. Everyone needs to know his story.
Ktron

What a great experience you shared.   Thank you.
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Post by Ktron Sat Sep 18, 2021 7:00 pm

Thanks all. Back then we didn’t have camera phones and I wasn’t carrying a camera everywhere which is another regret I have to live with. No pictures Of The Big O and our late host Ken Hudson on the radio. I can still visualize the lasting memory.

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