POST GAME - PLAYOFF ROUND 4 FINALS - GAME 2 - GOLDEN STATE - AWAY

by **112288** Sun Jun 05, 2022 10:41 pm

Celtics Wrap: Boston Embarrassed In Game 2, Lose 107-88
Boston was outscored 35-14 in the third quarter

NESN by Keagan Stiefel

The best-of-seven series is now tied 1-1.

ONE BIG TAKEAWAY
Old habits die hard, and the Celtics continue to prove that fact as they allowed the same old issues to hamper them Sunday night. Three long-running issues were detrimental to Boston in Game 2.

First, Boston finished the game with 19 turnovers — six more than they had in Game 1 — leading to 33 Golden State points.

Second, the Celtics found themselves in continuous foul trouble, finishing the contest with 18, 13 of which came in the first half. Those 18 were five more than they had in Game 1.

Finally, Boston and Golden State combined for a prototypical third quarter on each side. The Celtics struggled in the half court, wasting much of the shot clock before settling for bad looks. The Warriors took advantage of the aforementioned turnovers and continuously answered each Celtics punch, outscoring Boston 35-14 in the period, building a 23 point lead before the start of the fourth quarter. Three minutes into that final quarter, Boston’s starters were pulled.

In a game where coach Ime Udoka wanted them to play “greedy” and “desperate”, the Celtics reverted back to their old ways and found themselves in a brand new series.

STARS OF THE GAME
— Stephen Curry was the star of the show for Golden State, he finished with 29 points and six rebounds, leading the Warriors to an 17-1 run to end of the third quarter.

— Draymond Green was solid enough in terms of numbers, finishing with nine points, five rebounds, seven assists, one steal and one block. It was his ability to get under the skin of certain Celtics and draw fouls, however, that lands him on this list.

— Derrick White was the only Celtics regular to even be competitive for Boston in the loss. He finished with 12 points, four rebounds, two assists, one steal and one block.

WAGER WATCH
Bettors were keen on Jayson Tatum having a bounce back game for the Celtics in Game 2, but if they wanted to push their luck, they could have cashed in big. Tatum had +1000 odds to hit four or more 3-point field goals in the first half, according to DraftKings Sportsbook. He cashed that bet with ease, hitting five overall in the first two quarters. A $100 bet on that to happen would have netted a total pay out of $1,100.

UP NEXT
The Celtics and the Warriors will head to Boston and continue the NBA Finals with Game 3 taking place Wednesday night. Tipoff is scheduled for 9 p.m. ET at TD Garden.

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by **112288** Sun Jun 05, 2022 10:51 pm

SAME OLD BS PLAY..................SAME OLD BS RESULTS!

I got so fed-up I switched to Expedition Big Foot with 6 minutes to go in the 3rd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tatum All NBA First Team.......................Now That is a joke! -36 / 4 turnovers that lead to scores/ He is no leader and has no clue when the going gets tough.

After the first 5 minutes we went back to the same old same old, stand around and watch people shoot contested 3 point shots. No rotational offense, no back door plays, NOTHING!

I would have changed the guarding of Curry up by putting Nesmith on him just for a change of look.

The officials should have slammed Green. Guy is a thug! Guess the NBA wants this to go GS way!

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by **prakash** Sun Jun 05, 2022 11:04 pm

Just move on and play with more urgency and focus the next game. Laid an egg. I have no idea what the offensive game plan was but we just never could break them down. Perhaps it was the read and switching from GP2. Whatever it was, lets figure it out.

by **gyso** Sun Jun 05, 2022 11:06 pm

We took one out of two in their gym. Not much else to say.

by **prakash** Sun Jun 05, 2022 11:10 pm

My only issue with that statement is that the team did not show the fight or belief. I didn't see that in their body language or faces. I am fine if they show belief in themselves.

by **NYCelt** Sun Jun 05, 2022 11:20 pm

Splitting the first two away isn’t a bad thing.

Game two was a perfect storm of classic Celtic issues from the past season, however.

Green playing bully-ball threw Boston off and the sloppy play and rushed shooting ramped up predictably. Our old friend the third quarter collapse ensued.

The way the postseason has gone, I look for a strong Celtic reply in game three. If you like roller coasters, you have to love this postseason.

by **dbrown4** Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:12 am

Business as usual. The facts have not changed. It's hard to say we squandered an opportunity. This game was a free roll and we played good enough to be up by 9 and within striking distance before the 3rd. That would have been a huge win but this is the Finals. We're just not good enough yet to take the first two on the road. We still temporarily have home court, not that it matters much nor will it matter in this series. That fact had been quickly forgotten as GS rebounded and all is well in the GS title chase since this group has never not won a game on the road and here they come rolling into Boston for 2 opportunities by Friday. I don't think GS wants home court advantage against us. They'll see.

The way ABC saw it, it sounded like the Warriors won the series last night. After an eternity, it was finally time to jump on the Celtic gut wagon as Boston winning G1 was clearly a fluke in their eyes. They had to wait one game, everything is right in the world now. Life is tough and isn't always fair sometimes.

Now it's time for Boston to see if they can capitalize on another opportunity that they've come up short on since Round 1...winning both games at home. G3 with it tied 1-1 is a mini-mini-G7 or mini G5 at 2-2. These two home games can go one of three ways, 4 if order is important.

Arguments either way as to what can/will happen through G4, all equally valid. Important thing is for Coach to move this team on from G2, just like GS moved on from what happened in G1. Move along. Nothing to see here. Again, business as usual.

We are going to need to figure out the 3rd quarter or it's curtains. I'm sure there is as much footage of that is there is of how to get us off-track for a game. It can't be that hard. We figure that out and it's curtains for GS.

Not sure what happened with the Al, RWIII and MS show. That was a little disturbing. That performance may have taken Al off my FMVP list. Both J's can't do it all, just like Curry couldn't do it all in G1.

Now we head back home for two games with a less than stellar performance record there leaving the door wide open for GS to steal one back given our Kingda Ka track record. Everyone will be expecting GS to take care of business there. We certainly can't let GS's streak of winning at least one road game record be tarnished or come to an end by us winning both G3 & G4. This team just loves the drama too much. Looks like it's going 6-7 with no clear winner in sight for now.

NEXT!!!!

db

by **cowens/oldschool** Mon Jun 06, 2022 9:35 am

Smart and Al didn’t show up, RWill was hobbling, Jaylen disappeared after 1st quarter, got killed in 3rd. Game

Concerned the most about RWill, Looney has no better skill and less size than Moses Brown, he should not be outscoring and outrebounding Timelord. When Timelord is at his best we are unbeatable IMHO.

by **bobheckler** Mon Jun 06, 2022 9:53 am

We did our job, we earned a split on the road. Anybody who thought we'd sweep them on their floor was drinking Red's bath water.

We shot better from 3 than from 2. That's not going to happen regularly.

Jaylen was 5-17, 3-9 from 3. That's 33% from 3 but only 25% from 2 AND he took more 3s than 2s. Ime needs to have a chat with him. Sometimes the Js, last night it was Jaylen's turn, gets a little tunnel vision and forgets that it's not their singular job to carry the whole team. They can do things that make their teammates better including moving without the ball and let their teammates make the play.

Horford with his worst game in a long time. Fatigue? What? He was AWOL.

And RWill is pretty lost out there. He had two blocks, so he's doing that part of his job, but he's not doing anything else. Not last night, not in Game 1, not in a while. According to Ime, now that RWill has been able to get some rest for his knees, it's more mental than physical.

As if shooting 37.5% from the floor wasn't bad enough it was our 18 turnovers. It wasn't so much the number, GSW had 17, it was how many of ours were live turnovers that resulted in their buckets. The final tally was 33-15. There's 18 more points off of turnovers they got than us. We lost by 25, so 18 points wouldn't be enough by themselves to win this for us, but being down 7 points is a whole different game than being down 27 (we were down 29 at one point). Played differently, coached differently.

Former ref, and famously quick to call a T, Steve Javie said that when a player has one T the bar to blow a 2nd one and tossing them is higher. Do you think Draymond Green knew that? He sure acted like he did, and he has lots and lots of experience at testing where the line is.

Gary Washburn @GwashburnGlobe
yesterday
Jaylen said the #Warriors tried to "muck" the game up, said the #Celtics need to up the level of intensity. Said Green tried to pull his pants down: "I don't know what that was about." #Warriors

Jay King @ByJayKing
yesterday
Ime Udoka on his technical foul: "I just let them know how I felt throughout the game in a demonstrative way on purpose to get a technical."

Steve Bulpett
@SteveBHoop
Tonight's selection of numerical notage from the Sultan of Stat, Dick Lipe:

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The Warriors are the best 3rd quarter team in the league. They proved that in both Games 1 & 2. We don't have to be the best, but we have to do better than we have been doing. A 35-14 3rd quarter last night and a 38-24 point 3rd quarter in Game 1 will not get it done.

John Karalis @John_Karalis
yesterday
Horford: "It is what it is. On to Game 3. I can't wait to get to the Garden. I know it's going to be rocking"

Bob

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by **bobheckler** Mon Jun 06, 2022 12:07 pm

Mark Murphy @Murf56
about 1 hour ago
Per Mr. Stat, Dick Lipe, the Celtics are 1-5 in the playoffs when allowing 19 or more points off turnovers, and 12-2 when giving up 18 or less. Sunday night, Golden State parlayed 19 turnovers into 33 points.

Bob
MY NOTE: So what you're saying is that we're a pretty good team when we don't give our opponents extra fgas because we're not taking care of the ball. Hmmm. Maybe there's something to that. Step 1: Stop dribbling into double and triple teams, Jaylen and Jayson.

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by **prakash** Mon Jun 06, 2022 12:41 pm

I am yet to see that swagger from the Celts. Against the Bucks and the Heat, you could see that they believed that they knew how to play against those teams. After that, the games were won and lost depending upon the vagaries of inspired play, shooting ups and downs, ball bounces, etc.

After two games, I am yet to see the Celts showing that they know how to play the Warriors. Perhaps it will come in game 3.

by **dbrown4** Mon Jun 06, 2022 2:38 pm

prakash,

The key will be to figuring out the 3rd quarter. That's GSW oxygen. Cut that off and they will look like all the G-leaguers we exposed in the first three rounds.

db

by **112288** Mon Jun 06, 2022 2:49 pm

bobheckler wrote:Mark Murphy @Murf56
about 1 hour ago
Per Mr. Stat, Dick Lipe, the Celtics are 1-5 in the playoffs when allowing 19 or more points off turnovers, and 12-2 when giving up 18 or less. Sunday night, Golden State parlayed 19 turnovers into 33 points.

Bob
MY NOTE: So what you're saying is that we're a pretty good team when we don't give our opponents extra fgas because we're not taking care of the ball. Hmmm. Maybe there's something to that. Step 1: Stop dribbling into double and triple teams, Jaylen and Jayson.

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. The problem with both Tatum and Brown is they have to stop playing ISO HERO BALL - ONE ON ONE penetration into the paint to try to score. What right minded player (unless selfish or just plain stupid) would go into this ISO mode knowing that 1) your teammates are standing back and not moving to try to create uncertainty on the part of the defense of who is covering who, but signaling to the defense they are clearing the way for you to attack the paint! Who the F is calling that play???????????????? Tatum sucks at this. He cannot protect the ball if his life counted on it! Brown is better at ball protection but fails when he has no option at a layup and has to pass which usually ends up as a steal TO.

2) They have no clue how to use the backboard to loft high arcing shots above defenders hands to bank home a shot. They either go for a jam or the flip it up to try to get it in the cylinder, and where most times the ball bounces out. My god, go take some time and watch Sam Jones use the back board to score, Havlicek the same, or how about Tim Dunkin, hummmmmm! Do you know how more efficient and effective that is to score with multiple and large players are closing in on you! I do not want to hear it is a skill or an art form! GO HIT THE GYM AND WORK THE WHOLE SUMMER ON IT!

3) Both of them and others on the team are best when they move without the ball to get free for an uncontested shot from mid to long range, or find an open seam that they can cut through via a pass that will give them a half way reasonable chance to score on a layup. White is a model student on what I am preaching here. If IME is calling these ISO plays, please stop, if he is not sit the guy who is causing these plays to crop up to teach them a lesson that they are causing the entire offense to come to a screeching halt!

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by **112288** Mon Jun 06, 2022 2:50 pm

bobheckler wrote:Mark Murphy @Murf56
about 1 hour ago
Per Mr. Stat, Dick Lipe, the Celtics are 1-5 in the playoffs when allowing 19 or more points off turnovers, and 12-2 when giving up 18 or less. Sunday night, Golden State parlayed 19 turnovers into 33 points.

Bob
MY NOTE: So what you're saying is that we're a pretty good team when we don't give our opponents extra fgas because we're not taking care of the ball. Hmmm. Maybe there's something to that. Step 1: Stop dribbling into double and triple teams, Jaylen and Jayson.

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. The problem with both Tatum and Brown are they have to stop playing ISSO HERO BALL - ONE ON ONE penetration into the paint to try to score. What right minded player (unless selfish or just plain stupid) would go into this ISO mode knowing that 1) your teammates are standing back and not moving to try to create uncertainty on the part of the defense of who is covering who, but signaling to the defense they are clearing the way for you to attack the paint! Who the F is calling that play???????????????? Tatum sucks at this. He cannot protect the ball if his life counted on it! Brown is better at ball protection but fails when he has no option at a layup and has to pass which usually ends up as a steal TO.

2) They have no clue how to use the backboard to loft high arcing shots above defenders hands to bank home a shot. They either go for a jam or the flip it up to try to get it in the cylinder, and where most times the ball bounces out. My god, go take some time and watch Sam Jones use the back board to score, Havlicek the same, or how about Tim Dunkin, hummmmmm! Do you know how more efficient and effective that is to score with multiple and large players are closing in on you! I do not want to hear it is a skill or an art form! GO HIT THE GYM AND WORK THE WHOLE SUMMER ON IT!

3) Both of them and others on the team are best when they move without the ball to get free for an uncontested shot from mid to long range, or find an open seam that they can cut through via a pass that will give them a half way reasonable chance to score on a layup. White is a model student on what I am preaching here. If IME is calling these ISSO plays, please stop, if he is not sit the guy who is causing these plays to crop up to teach them a lesson that they are causing the entire offense to come to a screeching halt!

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by **112288** Mon Jun 06, 2022 2:58 pm

dbrown4 wrote:prakash,

The key will be to figuring out the 3rd quarter. That's GSW oxygen. Cut that off and they will look like all the G-leaguers we exposed in the first three rounds.

db

. It is not the 3 quarter that is the Celtics problem. It is their - OK Time for ISSO BALL and that causes the entire offense to stop rotational movement. This problem started in the middle of the first period when we had a 8 or 9 point lead and it evaporated because we went back to OLD BAD HABITS! We could have run them off the court in the first half. They did not have any runs on us when we ran the ball and had rotational movement, when we stopped it gave them a chance to gather themselves and get momentum!

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by **dboss** Mon Jun 06, 2022 3:09 pm

Good news/bad news

We came away with a split on the road. That is good.

We lost game 2 pretty much for the same reasons why we lose. Not good.

I guess we can all see the pattern.

Hats off to Ime for executing a much needed courtesy
flush early in the 4th as the stench was becoming unbearable.

It's on to game 3.

by **Ktron** Mon Jun 06, 2022 3:50 pm

dbrown4 wrote:Business as usual. The facts have not changed. It's hard to say we squandered an opportunity. This game was a free roll and we played good enough to be up by 9 and within striking distance before the 3rd. That would have been a huge win but this is the Finals. We're just not good enough yet to take the first two on the road. We still temporarily have home court, not that it matters much nor will it matter in this series. That fact had been quickly forgotten as GS rebounded and all is well in the GS title chase since this group has never not won a game on the road and here they come rolling into Boston for 2 opportunities by Friday. I don't think GS wants home court advantage against us. They'll see.

The way ABC saw it, it sounded like the Warriors won the series last night. After an eternity, it was finally time to jump on the Celtic gut wagon as Boston winning G1 was clearly a fluke in their eyes. They had to wait one game, everything is right in the world now. Life is tough and isn't always fair sometimes.

Now it's time for Boston to see if they can capitalize on another opportunity that they've come up short on since Round 1...winning both games at home. G3 with it tied 1-1 is a mini-mini-G7 or mini G5 at 2-2. These two home games can go one of three ways, 4 if order is important.

Arguments either way as to what can/will happen through G4, all equally valid. Important thing is for Coach to move this team on from G2, just like GS moved on from what happened in G1. Move along. Nothing to see here. Again, business as usual.

We are going to need to figure out the 3rd quarter or it's curtains. I'm sure there is as much footage of that is there is of how to get us off-track for a game. It can't be that hard. We figure that out and it's curtains for GS.

Not sure what happened with the Al, RWIII and MS show. That was a little disturbing. That performance may have taken Al off my FMVP list. Both J's can't do it all, just like Curry couldn't do it all in G1.

Now we head back home for two games with a less than stellar performance record there leaving the door wide open for GS to steal one back given our Kingda Ka track record. Everyone will be expecting GS to take care of business there. We certainly can't let GS's streak of winning at least one road game record be tarnished or come to an end by us winning both G3 & G4. This team just loves the drama too much. Looks like it's going 6-7 with no clear winner in sight for now.

NEXT!!!!

db

DB, Why do you say the Celtics are not good enough to take the first 2 on the road? What’s the difference between taking the second 2 (Brooklyn) on the road and the first 2 on the road. We’re good enough to take the 2nd 2 on the road but not the first 2 on the road? Huh? Make it make sense..please.

by **bobheckler** Mon Jun 06, 2022 6:31 pm

Just saw that after getting T'd up, which he wanted, Ime called referee Josh Tiven a 5-letter euphemism for 'cat'.

Another difference between Brad and Ime. Choir boy Brad Stevens probably doesn't even know that use of the word. Ime, on the other hand, probably heard Pop use it a lot.

Bob

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by **dbrown4** Tue Jun 07, 2022 7:01 am

Ktron,

BKN was a broken shell of all its hype, clearly. They looked (and thought they were) like a brick wall but turned out to be the wall of paper football teams run through coming out of the tunnel before the game. GS is for real and this is the finals. Huge difference. Anyone is good enough as this is the Finals, we're just not there yet otherwise we would have pulled G2 off and have been ready for the 3rd quarter. Like I've said, next year? We will do it with consistency if needed. Also if we have the best record, we'll be starting at home most if not all rounds and not starting on the road.

Maybe the use of the word "good enough" has you reeling and wasn't the best choice of words. We may be good enough and probably are. How about "stable enough". We're definitely not that. I'm just going by the patterns as dboss puts it. When the facts change, the opinion will change.

Coming into BKN, we'd already won two. Lots of momentum established already there. Here, we start out on the road which I prefer and this team probably prefers given their road record vs. home record in playoffs. There's no momentum going into G1 as both teams coming in won at least their last game(s). Then we strike first and take the first game in dramatic (there's that word again!) fashion. Huge momentum swing. Everyone but us caught with their pants down. But then we turn right around in the 2nd game of the Finals with a head scratcher coming out in the 3rd quarter. Nothing has changed.

Given that same logic, other things equal heading into Boston for two games, is anyone 100% certain, with the currently constructed team, that Boston is going to win both games and would bet the mortgage on it? I don't think so, Tim. You'll be homeless. But to win big, you've got to bet big.

That's what I'm talking about wanting to see something significant. We win both these games in Boston, that will be significant given the stage and that the team has finally gotten their proverbial heads out of their behinds. To win the Finals, we're going to have to see something significant (change) from this team just like we did in all the preceding rounds. Consistency would be at the top of my list. Putting two games together B2B for example. We're good enough, but I'm not convinced. G3 & G4 are just more opportunities, that's all. Are we going to seize those opportunities like we did the last half of this season where we impose(d) our will or do turn them back like last season opportunities similar to presents the day after Christmas because it's not the gift they wanted and first half of this season ? It's clearly a Tale of Two Half Seasons.

Each round there have been some improvements (Sweeping BKN, Winning G6 in MIL, Beating the Heat on the road in G7) but we still can't seem to shake the TO's, ISO ball, erratic shooting nights from our two franchise players/support players and sticky fingers that have plagued us all season.

This may very well be a pick 'em series. Now it's the Best of 5.

db

by **Ktron** Tue Jun 07, 2022 9:11 am

DB,
Can’t agree. The team not being stable enough is your opinion and I respect that. Your analysis of the other series, the other teams are also your opinion and I too respect that.
However ,“When the facts change the opinion will change” doesn’t apply here. For the most part, what you’ve stated is your opinion which doesn’t equate to fact.
I believe this team is good enough and stable enough to win 2 on the road to open a series. In my opinion, There are games that they have t played up to their potential. There’s lots of reason why they haven’t and I don’t know what they are or have the facts as to why.

by **jrleftfoot** Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:13 pm

The difference between games 1 and 2 was that the Dubs decided to guard the perimeter.We didn't adjust by driving into the paint , let diarhhea mouth Green get into our heads, and went back to whinig at the refs. We're a more athletically talented team, but we get reckless and give them points. They scored 33 ppints off turnovers I'm just glad mr GS Brandon and I went to game 1 instead of game 2. Maintain our composure and we win this thing.

by **RosalieTCeltics** Tue Jun 07, 2022 8:17 pm

GSW dared them to shoot in game two, figuring that they would not hit they was they did in game one. They were right. Consistency still lacking. It is a shame, Klay stunk it up pretty good, they should have taken advantage of this. Here is hoping what Al said comes true, the Garden will be rocking and Game three is a big W

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