melo traded to Grizz

Interesting salary dump

Basically, Danny traded a guaranteed contract for a non-guaranteed contract.  So, BobH, are you feeling a little less concern about the number of players on the roster?

Although it seems extremely likely that Greene will never play a minute for the Celtics this season, it is interesting (and perhaps a commentary on the tenuous nature of the Celtics team last season) that Greene's 2012-13 statistics per minute would have placed him as follows had he played with the 2012-13 Celtics: number 7 (tied with Rondo) in points scored, number 7 in rebounds, and number 5 in free throw percentage.  It's not a tiny sample either, as he played 777 minutes for the Griz last season.

I'm just sayin'.

Sam

The story I'm reading, unofficially, is Melo for Done Greene.

Greene's $1M contract is non-guaranteed. By waiving him we get under the salary cap.

bob


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Opens up roster spot and saves some money.

Dboss

sam wrote:Basically, Danny traded a guaranteed contract for a non-guaranteed contract.  So, BobH, are you feeling a little less concern about the number of players on the roster?

Although it seems extremely likely that Greene will never play a minute for the Celtics this season, it is interesting (and perhaps a commentary on the tenuous nature of the Celtics team last season) that Greene's 2012-13 statistics per minute would have placed him as follows had he played with the 2012-13 Celtics: number 7 (tied with Rondo) in PPG, number 6 in rebounds, and number 5 in free throw percentage.  It's not a tiny sample either, as he played 777 minutes for the Griz last season.

I'm just sayin'.

Sam

sam,

It's a step in the right direction.

What will be interesting to watch, now, is: are the Celtics more interested in staying under the salary cap, which is where waiving Greene will put them or using the roster slot to pick up someone.

There are advantages both ways. Getting under the cap allows the Celtics to sign a player for the full MLE of $5M (maximum 4 year contract) next year. If you are paying luxury tax, you only get a mini-$3M MLE. The difference between 1 player at $5M (or multiple bench fillers for a total of $5M combined) is much better than $3M.

Freeing up a roster spot, of course, allows Danny flexibility to pick up another body here, there and at the trade deadline when dead wood is being trimmed.

Of course, Danny may still be working on a multi-player deal. I hope he still is, we're logjammed at 4, but now he has a little elbow room.

Melo was a bust, as far as I'm concerned. Nice kid and all, but he gained zero ground in 1 year in the D-league. He had a horrible summer league. Unloading him, when every GM in the league was watching in Orlando, is a mini-coup.


bob



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Hi,
I just read the news about this trade. I suspect it's a precursor to much more significant deal(s).
I'm sorry but I can't understand how Celtics get under the cap if Fab's salary was $1.25M and Celtics were about $2M above the cap? Or my numbers are wrong?
Thanks.

AK

Interesting move by the Grizz. Since Hasheem Thabeet left, I guess they miss having a big-man bust on their roster.

Sinus

I think you may be right about other moves.

The current roster is off balanced. We still need a veteran bu pg and a center.

Bass and Crawford may be moved or maybe Hump.

Dboss

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greendo01.html


6'11", 225#.

Career 5.1rebounds/36mpg. 6'11", and he only averages 5.1rebs/36mpg. Rondo averages 5.6.

It's all over, folks. Nothing to see here, move along, move along...


bob


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Greene's contract is not guaranteed. His contract can be dropped later in the summer, which opens up a roster spot.

Now the Celtics can take in an extra player in a trade. That may be Danny's reason for giving up on Fab. It can't be the money, because Fab wasn't making all that much.

gyso

Geez. I guess the Fab Melo era is really over. All 36 minutes of it.

Let's visit Donte Green... a rebound every 7 minutes for a 6'11" 226 pound guy? Smells like Rasheed Wallace. And a 23.8% three-point shooter last season and 29% the year before? Yup, it is Rasheed. Unfortunately, it's the 38 year old Rasheed. And obviously, without the defensive smarts that was Sheed's only contribution at that age.

bobheckler wrote:

sam wrote:Basically, Danny traded a guaranteed contract for a non-guaranteed contract.  So, BobH, are you feeling a little less concern about the number of players on the roster?

Although it seems extremely likely that Greene will never play a minute for the Celtics this season, it is interesting (and perhaps a commentary on the tenuous nature of the Celtics team last season) that Greene's 2012-13 statistics per minute would have placed him as follows had he played with the 2012-13 Celtics: number 7 (tied with Rondo) in PPG, number 6 in rebounds, and number 5 in free throw percentage.  It's not a tiny sample either, as he played 777 minutes for the Griz last season.

I'm just sayin'.

Sam

sam,

It's a step in the right direction.

What will be interesting to watch, now, is:  are the Celtics more interested in staying under the salary cap, which is where waiving Greene will put them or using the roster slot to pick up someone.

There are advantages both ways.  Getting under the cap allows the Celtics to sign a player for the full MLE of $5M (maximum 4 year contract) next year.  If you are paying luxury tax, you only get a mini-$3M MLE.  The difference between 1 player at $5M (or multiple bench fillers for a total of $5M combined) is much better than $3M.

Freeing up a roster spot, of course, allows Danny flexibility to pick up another body here, there and at the trade deadline when dead wood is being trimmed.

Of course, Danny may still be working on a multi-player deal.  I hope he still is, we're logjammed at 4, but now he has a little elbow room.

Melo was a bust, as far as I'm concerned.  Nice kid and all, but he gained zero ground in 1 year in the D-league.  He had a horrible summer league.  Unloading him, when every GM in the league was watching in Orlando, is a mini-coup.


bob



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Bob,
 
I think you are mis-using the words salary cap.
Boston is far above the salary cap which is $58,679,000.
With the fully non-guaranteed salary of Donte Green, Boston is now slightly under the luxury tax threshold.
The luxury tax line is $71,748,000 and Boston's guaranteed salaries are $71,219,789.
 
I don't think this move was to get under the luxury tax line.
There is plenty of time to get under the line as the final team salaries are not calculated until the trade deadline.
 
It will be interesting to see how much of Fab's $1,311,240 salary will be paid by Boston.
Yes, it looks like he was a wasted draft pick.
Picks in the 20's usually don't work out to be significant contributors.
You can get lucky and find a gem but they are few and far between.

steve3344 wrote:Geez.  I guess the Fab Melo era is really over.  All 36 minutes of it.

That's quite a bit more than Darko's 5 minutes of court time last year.

tjmakz wrote:

steve3344 wrote:Geez.  I guess the Fab Melo era is really over.  All 36 minutes of it.

That's quite a bit more than Darko's 5 minutes of court time last year.

Yes, and that was certainly a darko period in Celtics history.

Bob,

From the beginning of the off-season, I haven't been able to get excited about possible free agents joining the Celtics.  Maybe some third-string filler, but no one who comes as an impact player without serious flaws or question marks.  In order to add an impact person, they have to trade away salary of significant proportions.  As gyso says, perhaps Melo's departure opens up the possibility of the Celtics trading away multiple bodies for one body; but I'd envision their wanting to move in the opposite direction and getting quality for quantity (if they can find a dumb enough trading partner). I'm simply ecstatic that I won't have to read any more optimism about Melo's prospects with the Celtics. With quality at the center position as their greatest single need, I believe their trading away a center tells us all we need to know about Melo. He could be entertaining, and I'm glad he didn't hurt himself when he fell out of that chair. But, my god, how did he ever lead such a charmed life in the Celtics organization as long as he did?

Sam

sam wrote:Bob,

From the beginning of the off-season, I haven't been able to get excited about possible free agents joining the Celtics.  Maybe some third-string filler, but no one who comes as an impact player without serious flaws or question marks.  In order to add an impact person, they have to trade away salary of significant proportions.  As gyso says, perhaps Melo's departure opens up the possibility of the Celtics trading away multiple bodies for one body; but I'd envision their wanting to move in the opposite direction and getting quality for quantity (if they can find a dumb enough trading partner).  I'm simply ecstatic that I won't have to read any more optimism about Melo's prospects with the Celtics.  With quality at the center position as their greatest single need, I believe their trading away a center tells us all we need to know about Melo.  He could be entertaining, and I'm glad he didn't hurt himself when he fell out of that chair.  But, my god, how did he ever lead such a charmed life in the Celtics organization as long as he did?  

Sam

Because he's 7', 255 pounds, athletic, can block shots and had people salivating at his (defensive) potential if he could only learn the fundamentals. Sadly, he couldn't. And they gave him every opportunity. Physical specimens like that who are cheap and are not top picks do not come along very often. But I don't need to tell you that.

Maybe volleyball is his game. Or wide receiver. All a QB would have to do is float it up there in the end zone...

Steve,

Yeah, it's certainly axiomatic that one needs a lot more than height and athletic ability to make it in the NBA.

I've been wondering how you're doing. Anything new and exciting on the horizon?

Sam

Bring Shav back.

Out with the Fab. In with the Shav.

tjmakz wrote:

bobheckler wrote:

sam wrote:Basically, Danny traded a guaranteed contract for a non-guaranteed contract.  So, BobH, are you feeling a little less concern about the number of players on the roster?

Although it seems extremely likely that Greene will never play a minute for the Celtics this season, it is interesting (and perhaps a commentary on the tenuous nature of the Celtics team last season) that Greene's 2012-13 statistics per minute would have placed him as follows had he played with the 2012-13 Celtics: number 7 (tied with Rondo) in PPG, number 6 in rebounds, and number 5 in free throw percentage.  It's not a tiny sample either, as he played 777 minutes for the Griz last season.

I'm just sayin'.

Sam

sam,

It's a step in the right direction.

What will be interesting to watch, now, is:  are the Celtics more interested in staying under the salary cap, which is where waiving Greene will put them or using the roster slot to pick up someone.

There are advantages both ways.  Getting under the cap allows the Celtics to sign a player for the full MLE of $5M (maximum 4 year contract) next year.  If you are paying luxury tax, you only get a mini-$3M MLE.  The difference between 1 player at $5M (or multiple bench fillers for a total of $5M combined) is much better than $3M.

Freeing up a roster spot, of course, allows Danny flexibility to pick up another body here, there and at the trade deadline when dead wood is being trimmed.

Of course, Danny may still be working on a multi-player deal.  I hope he still is, we're logjammed at 4, but now he has a little elbow room.

Melo was a bust, as far as I'm concerned.  Nice kid and all, but he gained zero ground in 1 year in the D-league.  He had a horrible summer league.  Unloading him, when every GM in the league was watching in Orlando, is a mini-coup.


bob



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Bob,
 
I think you are mis-using the words salary cap.
Boston is far above the salary cap which is $58,679,000.
With the fully non-guaranteed salary of Donte Green, Boston is now slightly under the luxury tax threshold.
The luxury tax line is $71,748,000 and Boston's guaranteed salaries are $71,219,789.
 
I don't think this move was to get under the luxury tax line.
There is plenty of time to get under the line as the final team salaries are not calculated until the trade deadline.
 
It will be interesting to see how much of Fab's $1,311,240 salary will be paid by Boston.
Yes, it looks like he was a wasted draft pick.
Picks in the 20's usually don't work out to be significant contributors.
You can get lucky and find a gem but they are few and far between.

TJ,

You're right. I did use the words 'salary cap' and the results of being over the cap, when I should have used 'luxury tax'.

So, Wyc will save money by being under the cap (assuming he's still under the cap on the last day of the season).

bob

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Well, we now know that Boston is paying Fab Melo's full 2013-14 salary plus an extra $350,000. I wonder if this $350,000 is to help cover payroll taxes on Fab's salary or just an inconvenience fee of having Fab on the team? I guess this will also help cover the cost of his uniforms and his per diem amount that all players receive.
 
Fab's salary next year is: $1,311,240
 
8/15/13 — Traded Fab Melo and $1.66 million in cash to the Memphis Grizzlies for Donte Greene.
Read more at http://www.hoopsworld.com/boston-celtics-team-salary#cCfuXtBaeiJkCYq3.99

tjmakz wrote:Well, we now know that Boston is paying Fab Melo's full 2013-14 salary plus and extra $350,000. I wonder if this $350,000 is to help cover payroll taxes on Fab's salary or just an inconvenience fee of having Fab on the team? I guess this will also help cover the cost of his uniforms and his per diem amount that all players receive.
 
Fab's salary next year is: $1,311,240
 
8/15/13 — Traded Fab Melo and $1.66 million in cash to the Memphis Grizzlies for Donte Greene.
Read more at http://www.hoopsworld.com/boston-celtics-team-salary#cCfuXtBaeiJkCYq3.99

I wonder how many rebounds he'll get for that $1.3 mil. I'm guessing less than 50.

Steve,

Super great photos. Thanks for sending them.

It could be argued that you added one zero too many to Fab's projected rebound total. Of course, I wouldn't argue that since I don't make predictions.

Thanks again,

Sam