Roy Hibbert availible?

found this blurb while scouting for draft stuff...not sure if there is any reality to it or not.

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2014/06/notes-drafts-obryant.html

•In his mock draft, Brian Schmitz of the Orlando Sentinel has Wiggins being selected first as well, and predicts a number of trades, including the Lakers shipping the seventh pick to the Pacers for Roy Hibbert, and the Magic selecting Joel Embiid and trading him to the Celtics for Exum.

here is the link from the link....

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/os-nba-mock-draft-brian-schmitz-0622-20140621,0,4650351.column?track=rss

I am quite sure the Lakers are not giving up the 7th pick for Hibbert.
If the Lakers do trade the 7th pick, I would think they would try to include Nash in that trade.

Speaking of sliding, Hibbert's trade value has to have plummeted after his non-performances in the playoffs.

Sam

How does one trade a $15M player for a draft pick?  Even with Nash's salary it wouldn't work (assuming Larry would even want Nash).  And LA only has 3 players under contract.  


At least Bill Simmons uses the trade machine.


bob


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bobheckler wrote:How does one trade a $15M player for a draft pick?  Even with Nash's salary it wouldn't work (assuming Larry would even want Nash).  And LA only has 3 players under contract.  


At least Bill Simmons uses the trade machine.


bob


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Bob,

The Lakers couldn't make this trade until 7/1.
Once the new year (7/1 to 6/30) starts, the Lakers could absorb Hibberts contract without trading Nash.

tjmakz wrote:

bobheckler wrote:How does one trade a $15M player for a draft pick?  Even with Nash's salary it wouldn't work (assuming Larry would even want Nash).  And LA only has 3 players under contract.  


At least Bill Simmons uses the trade machine.


bob


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Bob,

The Lakers couldn't make this trade until 7/1.
Once the new year (7/1 to 6/30) starts, the Lakers could absorb Hibberts contract without trading Nash.

TJ,

Hibbert isn't a free agent. It would have to be a trade.


bob


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bobheckler wrote:

tjmakz wrote:

bobheckler wrote:How does one trade a $15M player for a draft pick?  Even with Nash's salary it wouldn't work (assuming Larry would even want Nash).  And LA only has 3 players under contract.  


At least Bill Simmons uses the trade machine.


bob


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Bob,

The Lakers couldn't make this trade until 7/1.
Once the new year (7/1 to 6/30) starts, the Lakers could absorb Hibberts contract without trading Nash.

TJ,

Hibbert isn't a free agent.  It would have to be a trade.


bob


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Bob,

Yes I know Hibbert isn't a free agent.
That's why I said the Lakers couldn't make this trade until 7/1.
Also, there wouldn't be a contract to absorb via a trade if Hibbert was a free agent.
The Lakers have no cap space until 7/1.

Lakers are UNDER the cap Next season. so they can add ANY players up to the cap number w/o any of the typical cap maneuvers.

Roy Hibbert could probably flourish in a system with a better coach. Frank Vogel basically fell asleep at the wheel this year.

And if Hibbert were available, would Ainge want him?


KJ

Hibberts problems are not do to poor coaching.
He has a serious lack of focus, attention and effort.

I blame the players for the Pacers collapse.
Hibbert was invisible in the 2nd half of the season while Paul George and Stephenson didn't play nearly as well over the 2nd half of the season.

tjmakz wrote:Hibberts problems are not do to poor coaching.
He has a serious lack of focus, attention and effort.

I blame the players for the Pacers collapse.
Hibbert was invisible in the 2nd half of the season while Paul George and Stephenson didn't play nearly as well over the 2nd half of the season.

They also lack a point guard and it's hard to win when the starting point of your offense can be easily dismantled.

Yes, the players deserve blame for not showing up as they should have. And the coaching staff didn't seem to know how to get their guys prepared.


KJ

the implosion of the Pacers at the end of last season was baffling to me.

I think their must have been some type of personality conflicts going on, either between coaching and players or player and players.

I mean coaches just don't stop coaching and players don't stop playing (if things are going well).

I tie the Pacers' plummet to the Danny Grainger trade. He was the mature leader in that locker room. Without him - discontinuity.

worcester wrote:I tie the Pacers' plummet to the Danny Grainger trade. He was the mature leader in that  locker room. Without him - discontinuity.

worcester,

The timing sure does seem to jive with the Grainger trade, doesn't it?


bob



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tjmakz wrote:

bobheckler wrote:

tjmakz wrote:

bobheckler wrote:How does one trade a $15M player for a draft pick?  Even with Nash's salary it wouldn't work (assuming Larry would even want Nash).  And LA only has 3 players under contract.  


At least Bill Simmons uses the trade machine.


bob


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Bob,

The Lakers couldn't make this trade until 7/1.
Once the new year (7/1 to 6/30) starts, the Lakers could absorb Hibberts contract without trading Nash.

TJ,

Hibbert isn't a free agent.  It would have to be a trade.


bob


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Bob,

Yes I know Hibbert isn't a free agent.
That's why I said the Lakers couldn't make this trade until 7/1.
Also, there wouldn't be a contract to absorb via a trade if Hibbert was a free agent.
The Lakers have no cap space until 7/1.

TJ and KDP,

If Hibbert is not a free agent, then how does he "just go" anywhere without the numbers coming back to Indy matching up?  Forget about 7/1 and the salary cap and the Lakers' total committed salary, how does Larry trade $15M worth of contract without getting $15M +/- 25% coming back?

Larry has a problem, Hibbert and Stephenson don't get along.  Is it likely that one of them will not be in Indy next season?  There's a good chance of that, but Hibbert is a legit starting center in a league with damn few of them and has contract left while Lance Stephenson is a free agent and can therefore "just go" to a team with the cap space who wants him.

I don't know how this is going to pan out but, unless I seriously misunderstand the way the CBA works, Hibbert just cannot be traded without Indy getting comparable money back.  Could someone like Danny facilitate this trade by using the $10.3M trade exception to make the numbers work?  Sure, but what's in it for him?  He's more likely to want Hibbert for the Celtics than facilitate a trade that sends him somewhere else and then he has fewer resources to snag Asik or Gortat etc.


bob


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Bob I could be wrong on this, but I thought any team below the cap can trade for a player as long as it doesn't move them over the cap.

in other words, since the Lakers at the start of the new NBA year (is that July1?) have 4 players under contract at about $36M they have cap room. They do have certain "holds" one being the #7 draft pick (lets say $3M) and any RFA they have ( I don't know).

so in my understanding Hibberts' $15M salary could come to the Lakers for a ham sandwich( second round pick in the future) as long as they are under $48M in salary's before hand.

maybe i need the board cap guru to correct me on this however.

here is a link on the NBA salary cap and CBA with all of the ruiles and exceptions.

WARNING: it WILL make your eyes bleed if you read the whole thing!!

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q36

Bob,

The rules for trades when a team is over the salary cap only apply if you are receiving more in salaries then what you are sending out. (salary + 125% + $100,0000).

It happened this season when Miami received Toney Douglas ($1.6m) and shipped out Joel Anthony ($3.8m). They did this to save millions in luxury tax money.

As of 7/1 the Lakers can trade for virtually anyone in the league without having to send back any salary.

kdp,

Do you have a band-aid you can spare?

Sam

TJ,

Thanks for the clarification.


KJ