Cav's trade 2 1st round picks for Mozgov

Just reported that the Cav's traded 2 1st round picks for Mozgov:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12133446/cleveland-cavaliers-talks-acquire-timofey-mozgov-denver-nuggets

Not sure what depresses me more, the fact that we got less for Rondo or the fact that 2 1sts gets you someone like Mozgov. Ugh...

Mozgov is the Governor of Moscow.

8.5 PPG 7.8 rebounds and 1.2 blocks in 25 MPG. Not bad numbers. can he play 30+ minutes at that same level?

The cavs are apparently more desperate (feeling, showing, or involving a hopeless sense that a situation is so bad as to be impossible to deal with:)

Apparently the boston Celtics are in no hurry to add a center except that Danny is probably on the phone right now offering up 3 first rounders for the first backup center that comes a calling.

We will get a center. Trust in Danny.

dboss

When I first saw this, I said to myself, "Great size and weight, decent scoring and pretty good rebounding. But can he defend? Could he have been "Mr. Intimidator." So I googled "Mozgov defense" and was greeted by an article with the following headline: Mozgov is the Defensive Anchor of the Nuggets."

So I did the only sensible thing. Stuck my head in the toilet and flushed. Head was too fat to go down. Didn't even drown. Just had a nice drink.

If there's any good news in this it's the fact that centers with promise can be had for as little as two draft picks. Word has it that Danny has built a replica of the Eiffel Tower with his draft picks. Perhaps he could consider trading the cornerstone of his tower (and maybe another couple of picks as well) for a possible cornerstone of the rebuild.

Fortunately, the toilet is refilled and ready for more action as we near the trade deadline.

In case it's not obvious, this is all tongue-in-cheek. Like dboss, I trust in Danny.

Sam

sam wrote:When I first saw this, I said to myself, "Great size and weight, decent scoring and pretty good rebounding.  But can he defend?  Could he have been "Mr. Intimidator."  So I googled "Mozgov defense" and was greeted by an article with the following headline: Mozgov is the Defensive Anchor of the Nuggets."

So I did the only sensible thing.  Stuck my head in the toilet and flushed.  Head was too fat to go down.  Didn't even drown.  Just had a nice drink.

If there's any good news in this it's the fact that centers with promise can be had for as little as two draft picks.  Word has it that Danny has built a replica of the Eiffel Tower with his draft picks.  Perhaps he could consider trading the cornerstone of his tower (and maybe another couple of picks as well) for a possible cornerstone of the rebuild.

Fortunately, the toilet is refilled and ready for more action as we near the trade deadline.

In case it's not obvious, this is all tongue-in-cheek.  Like dboss, I trust in Danny.

Sam

Sam

Danny's fingers are itching something terrible. He has 4 pockets all filled with chips and he is at the casino. He is no bystander.

Something will happen.

dboss

Kudos to Cleveland, but that's a tough one for Boston. You'd have to think that Denver could've gotten better first round picks from Boston, considering that the picks they got from Cleveland are from OKC (top-18 protected) and Memphis (top-15 protected). Boston has significantly better picks than that. One of the factors in Cleveland's favor is that Mozgov has played for David Blatt before and apparently has a good relationship with him.

I haven't seen Mozgov enough to know if he's good enough to be the center that Boston needs.

Cleveland is certainly desperate for someone like him, and adding Shumpert and Mozgov will address their most glaring deficiencies. They still won't be elite defensively -- Love, Irving, and and a diminished LeBron will prevent that -- but they could be good enough to rise up the standings in the East. We'll see how well they come together.

Based upon what I've seen Mozgov is a less offensively-talented Pekovic.  Big, strong, hard to move off his spot but not particularly skilled with the ball nor is he a defensive talent either.  Big and strong.

Of course he has had some good games against us.

I'm all in favor of adding beef but I'm not losing sight of our primary front court deficiency and need: baseline defending, shot/penetration altering intimidation. If we need someone in the Dieng/Noel mold then Mozgov isn't him.

I would have been very happy, very, if Danny had acquired Mozgov over the summer but when he got Zeller (who has turned out ok) that thirst was slaked somewhat.


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Mozgov is a stiff, yet Denver got 2 1st rounders for him! Celtics got 3 1st round picks (plus the right to swap paicks in 2017) for Pierce and Garnett, AND we had to take back Wallace's ridiculous contract.... and of course only 1 1st rounder for Rondo...

Sam...speaking of the Eiffel tower, the other night I watched Before Sunset which featured Shakespeare and Company as the location in the first act. Couldn't help thinking of you.

Sam...speaking of the Eiffel tower, the other night I watched Before Sunset which featured Shakespeare and Company as the location in the first act. Couldn't help thinking of you.

Worcester,

That's my favorite of the trilogy, very largely because of the involvement of Shakespeare & Company. Shakespeare & Company is definitely my favorite thing about Paris! It doesn't seem quite the same since George Whitman, the founder of its 1950 iteration, passed away.

We feel so fortunate that George's daughter, Sylvia Beach Whitman, allowed us to visit him on what turned out to be his death bed, a few months later, and to present him with a signed copy of our Paris book on which he mentored us for 15 years. George's daughter even took videos of our visit. I tried to read the dedication to him but broke down, and Sallly had to finish it. "Dedicated to Sylvia Beach, George Whitman, and Sylvia Beach Whitman....Spiritual Shepherds of the Literary Flock in the City of Enlightenment."

Thanks for the memory, W.

Sam

As a matter of fact, W, we're sitting here rather distraught because of the terrible shootings in Paris today.  So I thought I'd post a little something from their Bicentennial Independence Celebration.  I hope you enjoy it.  We'll never forget being there.

Sam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QQ2k3UpHwQ

sam wrote:As a matter of fact, W, we're sitting here rather distraught because of the terrible shootings in Paris today.  So I thought I'd post a little something from their Bicentennial Independence Celebration.  I hope you enjoy it.  We'll never forget being there.

Sam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QQ2k3UpHwQ

Sam,

I met a couple of Parisians on the beach today and talked about this. They were remarkably calm, considering. No hyperbolic speech, no call for hellfire and brimstone. More stunned than anything but still able to talk coherently (in both french and english).

As some people on Facebook have posted today, "Je suis Charlie (Hebdo, editor of the magazine that got attacked)". "I am Charlie".

A sad day for The City Of Lights.


bob



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Here's some outside post-mortem.  Interestingly, a lot of people on this board saw this trade as a negative reflection of Danny's trade of Rondo, "He didn't get enough for Rondo". This writer looked at it through non-green tinted goggles and saw it as Cleveland givIng away too much out of fear. Ironically, it is fear born out of their overconfidence that The Return Of The King would solve all problems.

https://us.yahoo.com/finance/news/why-kevin-love-free-agency-145527826.html




Everybody thinks the Cleveland Cavaliers overspent by giving up two first-round picks in a trade for Denver Nuggets center Timofey Mozgov.

As Jason Lloyd of the Akron Beacon-Journal points out, the only players to yield two first-rounders in a trade since 2011 are Dwight Howard, Steve Nash, James Harden, and Andre Iguodala. Those guys are All-Stars, MVPs, and Olympic gold medalists. Mozgov isn't. He has never averaged 10 points per game in a season.

Even Cavs GM David Griffin, the guy who made the trade, said, "I think Denver got an unbelievably good trade out of this."

In a vacuum, it's a lopsided deal. Mozgov isn't worth two first-round picks in terms of raw value.

But in context, it was a trade the Cavs had to make, because the entire experiment of the LeBron-Love-Kyrie Cavs was at risk of collapsing if things continued as they were.

Kevin Love is a free agent after this season. The reasons he'd stay in Cleveland are convincing. The Cavs can offer him more years and money than any other team. In addition, Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo reported in August that Cleveland made the Love trade with a "firm agreement" that he'd re-sign there on a $120 million deal after the season.

But we are a long way from August. Love is going to be a free agent no matter what, and whatever "firm agreement" he had with Cleveland isn't binding. Right now the Cavs are 19-17, and Love has had to sacrifice his game more than LeBron and Kyrie have. His numbers are down significantly across the board.

The nightmare scenario for Cleveland is what happened with the Dwight Howard and the Los Angeles Lakers in 2012-13. The Lakers traded for Howard in the summer of 2012 knowing that he'd be a free agent after the season. They assumed they'd be a title contender, and Dwight re-signing with the team was a mere formality.

Instead, the season went off the rails immediately and Dwight signed with the Houston Rockets in free agency, despite a more lucrative offer from L.A. It was catastrophic for the Lakers.

The Cavaliers gave up two No. 1-overall picks (including Andrew Wiggins, who has looked awesome recently) for Love. Losing him after one season would be a disaster. They have to do everything they can to win now and avoid a Dwight-Lakers scenario.



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