Our best lineup could be without a point guard

sorry his help defense also sucks, although on the perimeter he has decent hands, anywhere near the basket, even if he arrives trying to help, he still gets shot over or right in his face, because of obvious reasons.

mrkleen09 wrote:Confused.  In what universe is Kelly Olynyk capable defending anyone but the weakest PFs in the NBA?

Ibaka, Favors, A Davis, Aldridge, Millsap, Green, Griffin, Gibson, Kanter, Young Randolph - they would all abuse KO time and time again.

hey kleen hope all is great with your family, hope to see you more on the board

cowens/oldschool wrote:sorry his help defense also sucks, although on the perimeter he has decent hands, anywhere near the basket, even if he arrives trying to help, he still gets shot over or right in his face, because of obvious reasons.

But most of those shots end up missing, because his opponent FG #s are consistently low. Just getting a hand up is a big deal. Better to contest 10 shots a game than to block 2 or 3.

Here is the stat page from nba.com for defensive fg% of players 6'10"+ playing center.


Find Kelly Olynyk.

http://stats.nba.com/league/player/defense/#!/?sort=D_FG_PCT&dir=-1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Height=GT%206-10&PlayerPosition=C


bob


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bobheckler wrote:Here is the stat page from nba.com for defensive fg% of players 6'10"+ playing center.


Find Kelly Olynyk.

http://stats.nba.com/league/player/defense/#!/?sort=D_FG_PCT&dir=-1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Height=GT%206-10&PlayerPosition=C


bob


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Low numbers with this stat are good, wouldn't you say?

bobheckler wrote:Here is the stat page from nba.com for defensive fg% of players 6'10"+ playing center.


Find Kelly Olynyk.

http://stats.nba.com/league/player/defense/#!/?sort=D_FG_PCT&dir=-1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Height=GT%206-10&PlayerPosition=C


bob


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Like plus/minus its another absolutely useless stat - Totally irrelevant.

swish

swish wrote:

bobheckler wrote:Here is the stat page from nba.com for defensive fg% of players 6'10"+ playing center.


Find Kelly Olynyk.

http://stats.nba.com/league/player/defense/#!/?sort=D_FG_PCT&dir=-1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Height=GT%206-10&PlayerPosition=C


bob


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  Like plus/minus its another absolutely useless stat - Totally irrelevant.

 swish

Swish,

Why?


bob


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bobheckler wrote:

swish wrote:

bobheckler wrote:Here is the stat page from nba.com for defensive fg% of players 6'10"+ playing center.


Find Kelly Olynyk.

http://stats.nba.com/league/player/defense/#!/?sort=D_FG_PCT&dir=-1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Height=GT%206-10&PlayerPosition=C


bob


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  Like plus/minus its another absolutely useless stat - Totally irrelevant.

 swish

Swish,

Why?


bob


.

bob

For openers - Check out that ALL STAR LIST of 15 players that are rated ahead of Jordan.

swish

swish wrote:

bobheckler wrote:Here is the stat page from nba.com for defensive fg% of players 6'10"+ playing center.


Find Kelly Olynyk.

http://stats.nba.com/league/player/defense/#!/?sort=D_FG_PCT&dir=-1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Height=GT%206-10&PlayerPosition=C


bob


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  Like plus/minus its another absolutely useless stat - Totally irrelevant.

 swish

Over a full season or two, plus minus is an excellent stat. It's only in small sample size where it's largely useless. But that goes for any stat, doesn't it.

swish wrote:

bobheckler wrote:

swish wrote:

bobheckler wrote:Here is the stat page from nba.com for defensive fg% of players 6'10"+ playing center.


Find Kelly Olynyk.

http://stats.nba.com/league/player/defense/#!/?sort=D_FG_PCT&dir=-1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Height=GT%206-10&PlayerPosition=C


bob


.

  Like plus/minus its another absolutely useless stat - Totally irrelevant.

 swish

Swish,

Why?


bob


.

bob

 For openers -   Check out that ALL STAR LIST of 15 players that are rated ahead of Jordan.

 swish

Jordan is trash defending away from the hoop. Olynyk is much more agile in space than a whole lot of guys, Whiteside and many others included. Just being able to jump high and block some shots around the rim doesn't make you an elite all around defender. Being able to move your feet, keep your concentration throughout the game, not take plays off, and always be where you're supposed to is more important.

arambone wrote:

swish wrote:

bobheckler wrote:

swish wrote:

bobheckler wrote:Here is the stat page from nba.com for defensive fg% of players 6'10"+ playing center.


Find Kelly Olynyk.

http://stats.nba.com/league/player/defense/#!/?sort=D_FG_PCT&dir=-1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Height=GT%206-10&PlayerPosition=C


bob


.

  Like plus/minus its another absolutely useless stat - Totally irrelevant.

 swish

Swish,

Why?


bob


.

bob

 For openers -   Check out that ALL STAR LIST of 15 players that are rated ahead of Jordan.

 swish

Jordan is trash defending away from the hoop. Olynyk is much more agile in space than a whole lot of guys, Whiteside and many others included. Just being able to jump high and block some shots around the rim doesn't make you an elite all around defender. Being able to move your feet, keep your concentration throughout the game, not take plays off, and always be where you're supposed to is more important.

I'll buy into your line when Olynyk can match Jordan's below achievment.
All-League
2014-15 All-Defensive (1st)
2014-15 All-NBA (3rd)
2015-16 All-Defensive (1st)
2015-16 All-NBA (1st)

swish

swish wrote:

arambone wrote:

swish wrote:

bobheckler wrote:

swish wrote:

bobheckler wrote:Here is the stat page from nba.com for defensive fg% of players 6'10"+ playing center.


Find Kelly Olynyk.

http://stats.nba.com/league/player/defense/#!/?sort=D_FG_PCT&dir=-1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Height=GT%206-10&PlayerPosition=C


bob


.

  Like plus/minus its another absolutely useless stat - Totally irrelevant.

 swish

Swish,

Why?


bob


.

bob

 For openers -   Check out that ALL STAR LIST of 15 players that are rated ahead of Jordan.

 swish

Jordan is trash defending away from the hoop. Olynyk is much more agile in space than a whole lot of guys, Whiteside and many others included. Just being able to jump high and block some shots around the rim doesn't make you an elite all around defender. Being able to move your feet, keep your concentration throughout the game, not take plays off, and always be where you're supposed to is more important.

  I'll buy into your line when Olynyk can match Jordan's below achievment.
  All-League
2014-15 All-Defensive (1st)
2014-15 All-NBA (3rd)
2015-16 All-Defensive (1st)
2015-16 All-NBA (1st)

  swish

Olynyk is a great two-way starting level PF, and an elite reserve center. Jordan is an elite defensive starting center, with underrated offense. Jordan's the more valuable player overall, and the better defender inside of 5 feet, but Olynyk is the better defender outside of 5 feet, and more versatile in that he can guard multiple positions. Not bad for a top 10 3 point shooter.

swish wrote:

bobheckler wrote:

swish wrote:

bobheckler wrote:Here is the stat page from nba.com for defensive fg% of players 6'10"+ playing center.


Find Kelly Olynyk.

http://stats.nba.com/league/player/defense/#!/?sort=D_FG_PCT&dir=-1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Height=GT%206-10&PlayerPosition=C


bob


.

  Like plus/minus its another absolutely useless stat - Totally irrelevant.

 swish

Swish,

Why?


bob


.

bob

 For openers -   Check out that ALL STAR LIST of 15 players that are rated ahead of Jordan.

 swish

Swish,

For one thing, being named to the All-Star team by the fans is meaningless since most fans are towel-waving, ballot-stuffing homies.  Dennis Rodman, pound-for-pound one of the best defensive players ever, was named to only 2 All-Star teams.  If you were just utilizing sarcasm as a vehicle, read on.

Almost all the players ahead of him played few minutes, Noah and Porzingis being notable exceptions, and they are both superior defensive players.  So, it makes sense that their (Noah and Zinger) numbers are better.  The numbers of the other players (NOT Noah and Zinger), therefore, are suspect.  Kelly, on the other hand,  played solid rotation player minutes.

Kelly defends all over the floor.  Partly because he plays PF (while Jordan will switch onto anybody in the paint precisely so he won't have to move far, and partly because Brad wants players to swarm.

One of the reasons why I quote /36mpg stats is because they show production per minute.  However, you cannot compare a player who plays 22mpg with one who plays 35mpg on a /minute basis.  SO, you cannot compare Jordan,  or even Pau Gasol, to a rotation player like Kelly.


bob


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arambone wrote:

swish wrote:

arambone wrote:

swish wrote:

bobheckler wrote:

swish wrote:

bobheckler wrote:Here is the stat page from nba.com for defensive fg% of players 6'10"+ playing center.


Find Kelly Olynyk.

http://stats.nba.com/league/player/defense/#!/?sort=D_FG_PCT&dir=-1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Height=GT%206-10&PlayerPosition=C


bob


.

  Like plus/minus its another absolutely useless stat - Totally irrelevant.

 swish

Swish,

Why?


bob


.

bob

 For openers -   Check out that ALL STAR LIST of 15 players that are rated ahead of Jordan.

 swish

Jordan is trash defending away from the hoop. Olynyk is much more agile in space than a whole lot of guys, Whiteside and many others included. Just being able to jump high and block some shots around the rim doesn't make you an elite all around defender. Being able to move your feet, keep your concentration throughout the game, not take plays off, and always be where you're supposed to is more important.

  I'll buy into your line when Olynyk can match Jordan's below achievment.
  All-League
2014-15 All-Defensive (1st)
2014-15 All-NBA (3rd)
2015-16 All-Defensive (1st)
2015-16 All-NBA (1st)

  swish

Olynyk is a great two-way starting level PF, and an elite reserve center. Jordan is an elite defensive starting center, with underrated offense. Jordan's the more valuable player overall, and the better defender inside of 5 feet, but Olynyk is the better defender outside of 5 feet, and more versatile in that he can guard multiple positions. Not bad for a top 10 3 point shooter.

So far his achievements have been, for the most part, against the other teams subs. If and when he is able to match his performances against the varsity I'll make it a point to compliment you on your foresight. After 3 years of 20 minutes per game its time for him to prove that he's more than a valuable 7th or 8th man of the bench.

swish

KO has slow feet too, besides opposing players going over or through, players can also get right by him too.

Doesn't he ALWAYS cover the weakest frontcourt big/player? there is a profound reason he is kept off the prolific scorers....and I still see him get abused by 2nd stringers way too much, which is why when healthy he is still a huge liability.

is there a category or stat for ragdolls?

what a useless stat, KO is a better defender than Jordan, Gobert, Turner, Bogut and Anthony Davis? what a joke.

I think Sullys defense sucks, no lift, if KO had to cover all the beasts that Sully used to bang with, he'd be eaten up.

bobheckler wrote:

swish wrote:

bobheckler wrote:

swish wrote:

bobheckler wrote:Here is the stat page from nba.com for defensive fg% of players 6'10"+ playing center.


Find Kelly Olynyk.

http://stats.nba.com/league/player/defense/#!/?sort=D_FG_PCT&dir=-1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Height=GT%206-10&PlayerPosition=C


bob


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  Like plus/minus its another absolutely useless stat - Totally irrelevant.

 swish

Swish,

Why?


bob


.

bob

 For openers -   Check out that ALL STAR LIST of 15 players that are rated ahead of Jordan.

 swish

Swish,

For one thing, being named to the All-Star team by the fans is meaningless since most fans are towel-waving, ballot-stuffing homies.  Dennis Rodman, pound-for-pound one of the best defensive players ever, was named to only 2 All-Star teams.  If you were just utilizing sarcasm as a vehicle, read on.

Almost all the players ahead of him played few minutes, Noah and Porzingis being notable exceptions, and they are both superior defensive players.  So, it makes sense that their (Noah and Zinger) numbers are better.  The numbers of the other players (NOT Noah and Zinger), therefore, are suspect.  Kelly, on the other hand,  played solid rotation player minutes.

Kelly defends all over the floor.  Partly because he plays PF (while Jordan will switch onto anybody in the paint precisely so he won't have to move far, and partly because Brad wants players to swarm.

One of the reasons why I quote /36mpg stats is because they show production per minute.  However, you cannot compare a player who plays 22mpg with one who plays 35mpg on a /minute basis.  SO, you cannot compare Jordan,  or even Pau Gasol, to a rotation player like Kelly.


bob


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Below are the names of 20 players that ranked in the top 4 in terms of minutes played per game - and all ranked below Olynyk in dfg%. I wonder what number Olynyk (7th-8th rank) what have put up if his nightly competition had been the "A" team?

http://bkref.com/tiny/6ad6Q


swish

swish wrote:

arambone wrote:

swish wrote:

arambone wrote:

swish wrote:

bobheckler wrote:

swish wrote:

bobheckler wrote:Here is the stat page from nba.com for defensive fg% of players 6'10"+ playing center.


Find Kelly Olynyk.

http://stats.nba.com/league/player/defense/#!/?sort=D_FG_PCT&dir=-1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Height=GT%206-10&PlayerPosition=C


bob


.

  Like plus/minus its another absolutely useless stat - Totally irrelevant.

 swish

Swish,

Why?


bob


.

bob

 For openers -   Check out that ALL STAR LIST of 15 players that are rated ahead of Jordan.

 swish

Jordan is trash defending away from the hoop. Olynyk is much more agile in space than a whole lot of guys, Whiteside and many others included. Just being able to jump high and block some shots around the rim doesn't make you an elite all around defender. Being able to move your feet, keep your concentration throughout the game, not take plays off, and always be where you're supposed to is more important.

  I'll buy into your line when Olynyk can match Jordan's below achievment.
  All-League
2014-15 All-Defensive (1st)
2014-15 All-NBA (3rd)
2015-16 All-Defensive (1st)
2015-16 All-NBA (1st)

  swish

Olynyk is a great two-way starting level PF, and an elite reserve center. Jordan is an elite defensive starting center, with underrated offense. Jordan's the more valuable player overall, and the better defender inside of 5 feet, but Olynyk is the better defender outside of 5 feet, and more versatile in that he can guard multiple positions. Not bad for a top 10 3 point shooter.

 So far his achievements have been, for the most part, against the other teams subs. If and when he is able to match his performances against the varsity I'll make it a point to compliment you on your foresight. After 3 years of 20 minutes per game its time for him to prove that he's more than a  valuable 7th or 8th man of the bench.

  swish

Olynyk put up 28 points against the Warriors, a team we've played to a draw going back to two seasons ago. Recall that Olynyk was on the floor quite a bit down the stretch in the 4th quarter, playing against starters, which he'll probably do again this year. Olynyk actually matches up very very well against Draymond Green, but Green isn't a true center. But it was DeAndre Jordan who partially dislocated Kelly's shoulder, so as Cow said, he definitely would struggle mightily as a starting center going against the 280lb guys.

bobheckler wrote:

swish wrote:

bobheckler wrote:

swish wrote:

bobheckler wrote:Here is the stat page from nba.com for defensive fg% of players 6'10"+ playing center.


Find Kelly Olynyk.

http://stats.nba.com/league/player/defense/#!/?sort=D_FG_PCT&dir=-1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Height=GT%206-10&PlayerPosition=C


bob


.

  Like plus/minus its another absolutely useless stat - Totally irrelevant.

 swish

Swish,

Why?


bob


.

bob

 For openers -   Check out that ALL STAR LIST of 15 players that are rated ahead of Jordan.

 swish

Swish,

For one thing, being named to the All-Star team by the fans is meaningless since most fans are towel-waving, ballot-stuffing homies.  Dennis Rodman, pound-for-pound one of the best defensive players ever, was named to only 2 All-Star teams.  If you were just utilizing sarcasm as a vehicle, read on.

Almost all the players ahead of him played few minutes, Noah and Porzingis being notable exceptions, and they are both superior defensive players.  So, it makes sense that their (Noah and Zinger) numbers are better.  The numbers of the other players (NOT Noah and Zinger), therefore, are suspect.  Kelly, on the other hand,  played solid rotation player minutes.

Kelly defends all over the floor.  Partly because he plays PF (while Jordan will switch onto anybody in the paint precisely so he won't have to move far, and partly because Brad wants players to swarm.

One of the reasons why I quote /36mpg stats is because they show production per minute.  However, you cannot compare a player who plays 22mpg with one who plays 35mpg on a /minute basis.  SO, you cannot compare Jordan,  or even Pau Gasol, to a rotation player like Kelly.


bob


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bob

 Your quote below.

      " However, you cannot compare a player who plays 22mpg with one who plays 35mpg on a /minute basis. SO, you cannot compare Jordan, or even Pau Gasol, to a rotation player like Kelly."


 And this is exactly what this stat does - which is the reason why it is a useless stat.

  swish

cowens/oldschool wrote:


hey kleen hope all is great with your family, hope to see you more on the board

Thanks Cow. Hope you are good as well. Hoping to find more time this year. Miss you all.

dboss wrote:
Bone

The term Elite passer should only be used for Elite passers.  Chris Paul is an elite passer.  Rajon Rondo is an elite passer.  Bird and Bill Walton were Elite passers.  Tim Duncan is an elite passer.

Special players deserve to be classified as Elite.  Horford and Olynyk are good passers but there is nothing special about their passing abilities.. Neither of them are elite.  As a matter of fact there are two very distinct skills that no one on the Celtics roster can claim.  We do not have an elite passer on the team and we do not have a rim protector on the team.

dboss

Umm, Walton and Duncan are not elite passers in the same conversation as Bird, Paul and Rondo. 

Walton was a great passer no matter how you look at it, but only elite when you say "for a center". As a PF/C (like Horford) Duncan is a very good passer and a great one "for a center". When it comes to elite passers in NBA history they are nowhere near the top. Al Horford is a very good passer and, just like Duncan, a great one 'for a big man'. Per 36 mins over his career he has averaged 3.0 assists per game, Duncan was at 3.2 and Walton was definitely superior at 4.3. 

Horford, KG and Duncan are all pretty comparable when it comes to PF/C types who can pass the ball. They don't just get volume assists after being doubled, or go out of the offense to look for assists/stat stuff (like Wilt did). They hit cutters, can throw no-looks and are all very intelligent when it comes to spacing and seeing things 1-2 plays ahead. Horford is in the same category as those two recently retired HOF'ers and guys like CWebb and Joakim Noah. They are all a level below Bill, Hakeem, Vlade, Unseld, Sabonis and Pau Gasol when it comes to best passing bigs of all-time (Bird is a 'swing', not a 'big' just like Odom and LeBron and he is the best passing 'swing' forward of all-time). 

Horford is also a very good rim-protector. Johnson is merely an average one. But they are both rim-protectors and stats/film prove this. You need to say the C's don't have an "elite" rim-protector, in which case I would agree with you.

Our best lineup is probably going to be:

Thomas, Smart, Brown, Crowder and Horford

You can replace Brown with Avery and have Smart guard 3's, or Brown with Amir and move Crowder back to SF or IT with Avery. But really any lineup with Smart, Crowder, Horford and 2 of the other 4 guys will be our best one, assuming Brown develops the way a #3 overall pick should. 

Olynyk is our 8th man with a lot to prove as far as health, consistently hitting that 3 (not just 50% one month, 30% the next and then looking elite when it averages to 40%) and of course defense. 

Rozier is very promising as a 9th/10th man ball-handler/defender who clearly wants to be a great NBA player (do Young and Hunter care at all?) and Jerebko as the other 9th/10th man bringing energy and spacing to lineups with a rim-protecting Amir or Horford in them. 

After that I don't see Zeller, Mickey, Hunter, Young or even Green doing anything outside of situational roles or filling in if someone gets injured. Gerald needs to start balling soon or Young will take all his mins just like Winslow did on the Heat last year.

swish wrote:

bobheckler wrote:

swish wrote:

bobheckler wrote:

swish wrote:

bobheckler wrote:Here is the stat page from nba.com for defensive fg% of players 6'10"+ playing center.


Find Kelly Olynyk.

http://stats.nba.com/league/player/defense/#!/?sort=D_FG_PCT&dir=-1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Height=GT%206-10&PlayerPosition=C


bob


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  Like plus/minus its another absolutely useless stat - Totally irrelevant.

 swish

Swish,

Why?


bob


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bob

 For openers -   Check out that ALL STAR LIST of 15 players that are rated ahead of Jordan.

 swish

Swish,

For one thing, being named to the All-Star team by the fans is meaningless since most fans are towel-waving, ballot-stuffing homies.  Dennis Rodman, pound-for-pound one of the best defensive players ever, was named to only 2 All-Star teams.  If you were just utilizing sarcasm as a vehicle, read on.

Almost all the players ahead of him played few minutes, Noah and Porzingis being notable exceptions, and they are both superior defensive players.  So, it makes sense that their (Noah and Zinger) numbers are better.  The numbers of the other players (NOT Noah and Zinger), therefore, are suspect.  Kelly, on the other hand,  played solid rotation player minutes.

Kelly defends all over the floor.  Partly because he plays PF (while Jordan will switch onto anybody in the paint precisely so he won't have to move far, and partly because Brad wants players to swarm.

One of the reasons why I quote /36mpg stats is because they show production per minute.  However, you cannot compare a player who plays 22mpg with one who plays 35mpg on a /minute basis.  SO, you cannot compare Jordan,  or even Pau Gasol, to a rotation player like Kelly.


bob


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 Below are the names of 20 players that ranked in the top 4 in terms of minutes played per game - and all ranked below Olynyk in dfg%. I wonder what number Olynyk (7th-8th rank) what have put up if his nightly competition had been the "A" team?

  http://bkref.com/tiny/6ad6Q


   swish

Swish,

I feel like I'm channeling Sam here a bit but "perspective is everything".  Most of Kelly's minutes have been against 2nd teamers, so OF COURSE that is who he should be compared to.  Comparing him to a starter makes no sense ESPECIALLY defensive specialists like Jordan.  DeAndre Jordan does two things, with NBA level competence, on the court: he blocks shots and rebounds.   A good reason he is so good at those two things is because he never leaves the paint, so he is always close to the rim and close to the boards.  How about comparing Jordan to Kelly for offense?  Now he looks like complete shit, doesn't he?  He can't create his own shot, can't dribble worth a damn, is a non-existent passer and has zero range beyond a dunk and all those things would be true if Jordan came off the bench.  None of those OFFENSIVE deficiencies would improve just because he was trying them against 2nd teamers.  He still couldn't shoot, pass or dribble.

Kelly is a 2nd teamer.  That is who he should be compared to keeping in mind there is a reason why 2nd teamers are 2nd teamers.   They are usually weak in a major facet of the game.  If they weren't they would be starters, if not here then somewhere else.  Kelly's specialty is long-range shooting and passing.  If Kelly's defense improves not one bit but he hits 40%+ from 3 like he did last year and just takes another 2 fgas/game from confidence that will add 2-3 points onto his average and open the floor up even more for slashers like Brown which he might not get statistical credit for but will happen because Kelly is dragging his big way out of the paint. Adding 2-3 points per game on efficient shooting (40% from 3 is like shooting 60% from 2) is precisely the organic growth we are looking for. Team defense last year, which includes Kelly's minutes, was not our problem, scoring was.



bob


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bob okay whatever, you still tried to use the FG% crap as evidence that Kelly is a good defender adding a comment like he flys all over the place, well so what, hes a soft 7 foot big that is a ragdoll with no balance, no strength and shies away from contact.....now you say he has a fatal flaw, which shows how useless that stat is. We obviously have great defenders on the perimeter, we don't need him there, even though this is space and pace a 7 foot big , hes not a SF either, still has to defend close to the basket more than on the perimeter. I think thats still the nature of the game.

cowens/oldschool wrote:bob okay whatever, you still tried to use the FG% crap as evidence that Kelly is a good defender adding a comment like he flys all over the place, well so what, hes a soft 7 foot big that is a ragdoll with no balance, no strength and shies away from contact.....now you say he has a fatal flaw, which shows how useless that stat is. We obviously have great defenders on the perimeter, we don't need him there, even though this is space and pace a 7 foot big , hes not a SF either, still has to defend close to the basket more than on the perimeter. I think thats still the nature of the game.

Cow,


Huh?


I used fg% as evidence he's a good defender?  When did I do that?  I pointed out how his offense, which why he is in the NBA,  helps the team.  I said that if he does what he does well just a little more we will be a much better team (increasing team ppg by 2-3 ppg is significant)  I also pointed out how Jordan has a major flaw in his game, his entire offense, but you think he's great.  Are you saying fg% is a "useless stat"?  If so, we need to get you a sit-down with Brad so he can set you straight.   The name of the game is, and has always been, scoring more points than your opponent.

I didn't say he had a "fatal flaw".  Please copy-and-paste where I said that.

If we don't need bigs defending on the perimeter then why have Jerebko and Horford?  Neither of them are brutes.

If another team's bigs can shoot from range, and most of them can now, then who is going to guard them?  Do you want to switch and have Smart or Brown or Bradley pick up Kelly's big at the arc and have Kelly (or some other big that you think should just hang around the paint) chase their man around the court?  The game is going to the perimeter and that includes bigs.  If they have four players at the arc and one low, and you have 3 defenders at the arc and your two bigs low, how well do you think that will work?  They'll just wear out your perimeter defenders by making them chase the ball around the perimeter and eventually they will get an open look.  In the meanwhile your two bigs will be playing 2-3 zone, doing very little, and hoping NBA players miss wide-open shots so they can get a rebound.  You have to play man-to-man, with some cheating,  in the NBA.  If your man goes out to 3 you either have to switch or go with him.  There are a few dinosaurs like Howard and Jordan but more and more the new, young bigs are like Miles Turner, Porzingis and Kelly; players who might not be great at any one position but are versatile enough to play a couple of positions and all of whom can spread the floor with their shooting range.


bob


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